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February 21, 2012 1:29:56 PM

I currently I have
550 BE X2
2GB RAM
512 MB R700 GPU
600 W PSU

My Mobo is crossfire only. Supports upto X6 . I prefer 1x Better GPU than 2x Cheaper GPUs and I don't really go after OC much. I don't want to provide xtra cooling for all that.

I wan't to improve my gaming perfomance as well as quality. What upgrades should I make to play most of the games released in/before 2011 60 FPS @ 1366x768 and 30-40 FPS @ 1920x1080 with high details. I have flexible budget but I want to keep it around GTX 570s pricebracket for GPU

I mostly play Real Time Strategy Action Advencture and Racing/Simulation etc.

I have shortlisted few GTX 570 GPUs variants but I'm still confused.

EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Superclocked
EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Classified
ZOTAC GeForceĀ® GTX 570 AMP! Edition
MSI N570GTX

# of Vendors * # of Variants = Confused Average Comsumer

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February 21, 2012 1:55:54 PM

RE2719 said:
I currently I have
550 BE X2
2GB RAM
512 MB R700 GPU
600 W PSU

My Mobo is crossfire only. Supports upto X6 . I prefer 1x Better GPU than 2x Cheaper GPUs and I don't really go after OC much. I don't want to provide xtra cooling for all that.

I wan't to improve my gaming perfomance as well as quality. What upgrades should I make to play most of the games released in/before 2011 60 FPS @ 1366x768 and 30-40 FPS @ 1920x1080 with high details. I have flexible budget but I want to keep it around GTX 570s pricebracket for GPU

I mostly play Real Time Strategy Action Advencture and Racing/Simulation etc.

I have shortlisted few GTX 570 GPUs variants but I'm still confused.

EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Superclocked
EVGA GeForce GTX 570 Classified
ZOTAC GeForceĀ® GTX 570 AMP! Edition
MSI N570GTX

# of Vendors * # of Variants = Confused Average Comsumer


#1 thing to improve in your system: More RAM. Then start looking at other stuff. RAM is cheap, so there is no reason not to. You really should consider at lest 4 GB.
Really, to be honest there isn't much difference between graphics card manufacturers. They all use the same base design. Some overclock the GPUs, but they are still a GTX570. Choose which one has the best warranty, most RAM, and fastest clocks at the cheapest price.
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February 21, 2012 2:17:47 PM

I agree, 4GB of ram is good enough for most systems, and consider 8GB of your board/OS will take it and you plan on keeping this machine for a long time (note that you need a 64bit OS to recognize a full 4GB or more of ram).

Consider a quad core CPU as many games and GPUs will be bottlenecked by a duel core

I agree, go with a single GPU for your needs, only add a 2nd GPU if you need performance for multiple screens, CUDA, or other specialty needs. There is no reason to do a 2nd GPU at your resolution, and there are many single GPUs that will suit your needs wonderfully.

Lastly for 1366x768 I would suggest a 560 or 560ti. I game at 1920x1200 with full settings and some filtering on a 570 and feel that I am really wasting my card (lol, and to think I built the rig to add a 2nd one later... that will be wonderful, but a complete waste for my uses). Check benchmarks for the specific games you want to play, and what cards will get you ~60fps. Remember; less than 30fps is unplayable, 30-60 is acceptable, and 60+fps is wasted as your monitor will only do 60fps. So to get the most bang for your buck get the card that does the games you want at ~60fps, and then upgrade the other parts of your system to support the GPU.

For gaming there is little difference between teh 560ti and the 570, the real difference is for CUDA processing in programs like Adobe Premiere and other production software (which is why I got mine).

Good luck!
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a b U Graphics card
February 21, 2012 2:18:42 PM

A GTX 570 is probably more than that CPU and 2GB of RAM can keep up with.
What MB and RAM do you have? What is your monitor resolution?
February 21, 2012 2:49:17 PM

I 4got to mention I'm on Retail Win 7 32 bit n Mobo is 790 GS-G65 and CPU is Phenom II X2.

Min 4GB RAM is of course on my list. AMD-ATI GPU's heat up a lot and that;s a major disappointment for me. I want to avoid wasting extra bucks on cooling electric bills. Either way so called cheaper cards eventually becomes more pricey in terms of maintainance.
February 21, 2012 3:02:34 PM

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What MB and RAM do you have?


Mobo is 790 GS-G65 2 GB RAM Transcend Don;t want to use this PC for long 4 GB shoud be enough

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(note that you need a 64bit OS to recognize a full 4GB or more of ram).


I have Retail windows 7 so have discs for both 32bit and 64bit

a b U Graphics card
February 21, 2012 3:36:59 PM

GTX 570 is overkill for your goals in regards to fps. You could easily get away with a GTX 560 Ti or GTX 560 Ti 448 Core and get your desired fps or better. That should also leave enough room in your budget to buy 4GB of low CAS latency DDR3 as well.

I would recomend the following items;

GPU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
February 29, 2012 8:29:23 PM

I couldnt reply my net went down other day. But it gave me some time rethink what I actually want.

My recent gaming seessions inclueded games like Assassins Creeed series, GTA IV, Medal of Honor, Company of Heroes. And there are so many games I want to play on Windows but just decided against it bcoz they will perform badly on this rig. Like Mafia II, Max Payne 3, few NFS Series games, Far cry & Crysis series few other Real Time Strategy classics like Anno and Heroes Stronghold Settlers and so on. List is too big though you now have a vague idea of the prefered genres.

I sort of misquoated my board info so I will rehash details with corrections
MSI 790GX-G65
AMD Phenom II X2 550
2GB DDR 3 RAM Transcend
RV710 GPU in PCIe 2.0 Slot (512 MB) HD4300/4500 Series
Plus some onboard HD 3000 Series GPU with Sideport memory
600 Watt PSU
I have retail version of Windows 7 Home Premium both 32-64bit discs available

I have revised my goals and expectations
For short period I will be content with 40-50 FPS for GTA IV/Mafia II with HQ Shadow, HQ Water, HQ Reflection, HQ Anti-Aliasing, 75-80% Draw Distance, 50% Detail Distance/Prop Rendering @ 1366x1024 or 1366x768

I have decided to go with something that fit well within "this Mobo and CPU", stays cool and be able get me through few months period till some good Windows 8 certified hardware released. It's purchase for short period use so I wont spend much on it. If bought I was going to reuse GTX 570 in new rig as well. But as you guys suggesting it will not perform to its potential in current rig I'm not going for it.

What should I do with pre-existing 1x Module of 2GB RAM let it run along with newly installed or remove it.
should I buy
2x Modules of 4GB or 4x Modules of 2GB in case of 8GB RAM
2x Modules 2GB 1x Modules of 4GB in case of 4GB RAM
I have 4 slots for DIMM installation 2 are black colored and 2 are bleu sorry I'm kinda new at this. plz suggest.

Which GPU should I go for ???(Revised goals upgrading only RAM and GPU)
I'm planing to buy Episodes Liberty City and few other older heavy req titles after this upgrade so plz keep that in mind
And I don't have any special prefrerence of Nvidia or AMD-ATI but AMD traditionally have been on the heavy heat producer side. Which is sort of negative in my eyes.

And apriciate your help so far.

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a b U Graphics card
February 29, 2012 11:35:23 PM
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I'd probably go with a GTX 550 Ti, or an HD 6770 based on your goals. I like my cards cool and quiet so here's what I'd choose.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Review: http://www.pureoverclock.com/article1238.html

OR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Good review here. http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1299&page=18
March 10, 2012 4:57:32 AM

RAM is finally decided "Corsair CMX8GX3M2A1333C9".

GTX 550 Ti seems a good buy for short term(2-3 Qs). It costs less than 50 % of GTX 570 so even if 500 Series prices fall after Kepler release I wont feel I burned cash for 550 Ti. Afterall it's way better than ATI RV710 HD 4300/4500
I have to decide from

ASUS ENGTX 550 Ti/DC/DI/1GD5 [Core-975 MHz]
ASUS ULENGTX 550 Ti/DC/DI/1GD5 [Core-1015 MHz]
EVGA GTX 550 Ti Superclocked 01G-P3-1557 [Core-981 MHz]
ZOTAC GTX 550 Ti AMP! Edition [Core-1000 MHz]
EVGA GTX 550 Ti 2048 02G-P3-1559 [Core-900 MHz] - 2GB VRAM

And I sort of entered wait and watch mode for GPUs till this 600 series release. I wont buy 600 Series just yet go on with 500 series mostly 550Ti. Kepler is not my only concern. DX12 Win 8 GTA V Release will determine new rig plans. So that might extend my stay on AMD X2 bit longer than expected. Getting 8 gigs RAM to enjoy few last months on AMD. I don't feel comfortable 'bout upgradeing X4 or X6 on this board. Has no PCIe 3.0 slot :(  hence no CPU upgrade. Will be back on AMD when they release X12/X16 or something like that.

I'm not in any camp BTW I'm a neutral party neither republican nor democrats ;)  . I jump from AMD To Intel ATI to Nvidia back and forth.

I mostly prefer to buy taskbased hardware in this case recreational core gaming (not even 150hrs/year). I want to see it serve it's purpose for at least 18-24 months it's usual interval when something new & big evolves in hardware, software, OS, Eras of games etc.
March 10, 2012 5:11:09 AM

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