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First build: budget gaming; need to decide on PSU

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August 12, 2012 2:21:23 PM

This is the first PC I've built. I'm trying to build a somewhat future proof build where I only have to change out the video card in the future to play most games. I'm not necessarily concerned about playing AAA games on ultra at the moment. I'm primarily going to be using this for indie titles, possibly some MMOs (Elder Scrolls?!), and some game modding (Skyrim). Initially, I was trying to keep it around $600, but I can handle around $700.

GPU: SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (100314-3L )
CPU: i5 2500k
MOBO: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Ram: Patriot 2X4, 1600
SSD: OCX Vertex 4 128GB
Hand me downs: case (mid tower, not sure of brand; I trust owner that it will work), HHDs (3 x80), keyboard, mouse, win 7 64GB OS, and monitor. Once I get this running, I'll probably add a large sized HHD. I don't keep a lot of video files, so I think I'm o.k. for now with size.

I'm looking at three different PSUs at the moment:

XCLIO GREATPOWER X14S4P3 500W ATX12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817189012

or this one by OCZ
OCZ ModXStream Pro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817341017

SeaSonic S12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1. Is modular worth the extra $10? Seems so, but I've also read that installed cables are a bit more efficient.

2. Is the 500-520 wattage o.k.? I don't want to go too overpowered on the PSU.

I may want to overclock and do crossfire at some point, but I'm guessing my next step would be to simply upgrade the single GPU. Some folks have said the CPU and motherboard may be a little overkill, but I don't want to have to replace everything in a couple of years if I decide to upgrade. And overclocking may be right around the corner for me.
August 12, 2012 3:33:13 PM

i would suggets i f u not purhase the system yet go for fx 8150 which is cheaper and grab a 970 of 990 fx board look fx 8150 will outperform easily i5 2500 k
and rest of it u need normal hdd to run games not ssd which is only useful for system
ahhh psu if u afford 125 for it i suggest go for hx 650 modular power efficient less cable in system for better cooling
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August 12, 2012 3:49:36 PM

monu_08 said:
i would suggets i f u not purhase the system yet go for fx 8150 which is cheaper and grab a 970 of 990 fx board look fx 8150 will outperform easily i5 2500 k
and rest of it u need normal hdd to run games not ssd which is only useful for system
ahhh psu if u afford 125 for it i suggest go for hx 650 modular power efficient less cable in system for better cooling


I don't really have a hat in the race of Intel vs. AMD, but most of the comparisons I've seen have the i5 outperforming the fx 8150 in all but a few tests. I don't mind paying a little bit more money for it the Intel. Is there a link that shows 8150 being significantly better?

I've seen many folks refer to Anand's comparison:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=288
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August 12, 2012 7:27:40 PM

* Get the seasonic or the OCZ, corsair are good for PSUs too.
* The modular cables can be messier than the non-modular ones imo, just go with whatever you like best, there's no big efficiency loss, look for 80plus certified stuff.
*As long as the PSU has 2 PCI 6pin connectors it should power the 6870, 500W sounds plenty.
*If the case is ATX size then the ASrock will fit in. It's a good board.
*The FX8150 is a rip off (at least where I live), the 8120 is ok value at the price but DON'T expect it to perform above that price. I wouldn't recommend it.
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August 12, 2012 7:28:22 PM

The best one out of those three PSUs is the Seasonic S12II Bronze 520W.
If you want a modular version then you can get this:
Antec High Current Gamer HCG-520M ($77 @ Amazon)
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-hcg520m
Which uses the same internal design as the S12II Bronze, but is modular.

I wouldn't buy the Xclio Greatpower 500W because I don't know much about it.

I'd stick with the i5 because it does outperform the FX-8150 and it's less power hungry as well.
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August 12, 2012 7:51:25 PM

monu_08 said:
i would suggets i f u not purhase the system yet go for fx 8150 which is cheaper and grab a 970 of 990 fx board look fx 8150 will outperform easily i5 2500 k


This is utterly wrong the i5 will outgame the 8150 (hell it will outdo it in most things) only reason to go AMD would be to get a better GPU.

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and rest of it u need normal hdd to run games not ssd which is only useful for system


If you can afford leather seats why not buy them.............

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psu if u afford 125 for it i suggest go for hx 650 modular power efficient less cable in system for better cooling


Less cables does not make more efficiency I feel a facepalm coming on here




OP To answer your original question get the seasonic or the OCZ
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a c 158 ) Power supply
August 13, 2012 1:15:43 PM

Seasonic S12II-520 is eaily the best PSU of the three you listed. I have the modular version of that PSu running an HD6950 with absolutely no issues - great PSU!
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August 13, 2012 2:12:33 PM

monu_08 said:
for futue i suggest spend some more bucks on tx 850 it have 70 amp sothat u can run also 2 gtx 670 with 5 120 mm fan flawless for cpu again i suggest fx 8150 less bucks outperform i5 like a blink of an eye here
http://www.game-debate.com/hardware/index.php?p_make=In... requirements


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=434

Get in your head 8150 is not a better gamer.

You should not dispense advice its harmful

An 850W PSU would not be good for the OP it run outside of its most efficient area
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August 13, 2012 2:21:09 PM

well i just want to say in my choice amd is better for ur point of view intel is better
and remember also today games are not fully optimized for using 8 core they required only 4 core as i5 2500k have it
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August 13, 2012 2:28:09 PM

monu_08 said:
well i just want to say in my choice amd is better for ur point of view intel is better
and remember also today games are not fully optimized for using 8 core they required only 4 core as i5 2500k have it


Most of todays games are optimised for 2 cores very few are optimised for 4 by the time anything uses 8 cores 8150 will be obsolete anyway. While 8150 may suffice for gaming it is in no way better than i5 2500k it is infact far inferior (and not just in gaming)

Show me benchmarks showing the 8150 running higher frames in a selection of games than a 2500k........................................... otherwise your "choice" is a horsesh*t statement to defend a purchase you made, doing that is WRONG as your making an incorrect opinion sound like fact in an effort to influence somebodies expensive purchase decision for ends that are just dumb... you wishing to feel positive about your own purchase.

Oh and BTW your CPU has 8 modules not cores.

I look forward to the benchmarks you will use to quantify your statement in this thread (and multiple others).
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August 13, 2012 2:45:39 PM

monu_08 said:
and also check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kd4dvLJQP4

I guess I also have to explain to you whats wrong with this one

He has run the game settings to make the GPU limit the game not the CPU.
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August 13, 2012 2:48:31 PM

meanwhile he is buying and ati gpu which also belongs to amd for combination
view ati+ amd=performance gaming
intel+nvidia=beyond thinking
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August 13, 2012 2:50:46 PM

monu_08 said:
meanwhile he is buying and ati gpu which also belongs to amd for combination
view ati+ amd=performance gaming
intel+nvidia=beyond thinking


ATi has not existed as a company for a while

Cute though you think ATI/AMD GPU paired with AMD CPU performs better than pairing it with another makers CPU

Tell me if I also told you Santa Claus is a myth would you be upset?


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August 13, 2012 6:45:35 PM

wr6133 said:
ATi has not existed as a company for a while

Cute though you think ATI/AMD GPU paired with AMD CPU performs better than pairing it with another makers CPU

Tell me if I also told you Santa Claus is a myth would you be upset?


i prefer bad santa movie
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a c 110 ) Power supply
August 13, 2012 7:08:16 PM

How the heck is someone so illogical? :heink: 

You're just throwing out these remarks with NO basis or evidence of performance.
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August 14, 2012 2:55:13 PM

all right i just kidding i m sorry what i said above hope fully u guys have much more things that i can learn thanks and by the i5 2500k will currently beat any amd
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