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April 29, 2012 10:03:04 PM

I am building my first computer and I'm looking to go with these. It is a gaming system. I would like to cut down on something that may be unncescary because i plan on going with a gtx 580.

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case with USB 3.0, Black Interior and Four Fans-1x ...

CORSAIR Gaming Series GS800 800W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC High Performance Power ...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...

Intel 520 Series Cherryville SSDSC2CW240A3K5 2.5" 240GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K

ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131818

Some form of a 580...

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April 29, 2012 10:08:16 PM

You could probably cut back on the memory. Go with 8GB if you like. You might be able to scale back on the power supply, maybe to a 700W. There that should help a little.
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April 29, 2012 10:10:19 PM

um do you think the 700W will be enough. I may overclock my cpu. I'm really new to all this . thanks
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April 29, 2012 10:13:56 PM

Oh and can you tell me the difference between these two RAMS because they have a bit of a price difference. Not the GB of ram but the quality.

G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL 129.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 46.99

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April 29, 2012 10:15:17 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for your ram would be plenty, that's $85 savings.

Drop your PSU to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., which will be plenty for an overclock. Unless you later plan on an SLI of that 580, in which case, keep the 800w. That saves you another $25

Could also drop your case to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... to save another $30. I think the difference is just 1 drive space, so unless you have 6 HDDs, this is a good option.

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April 29, 2012 10:21:29 PM

oh.. i didnt realize i wrote 580. I meant 680... of course when there are any in stock
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April 29, 2012 10:23:51 PM

case, psu, ram, ssd, mobo

all those are more expensive than they need to be.

Case: completely up to your preference but you could drop to a $50-60 one easily.

PSU: you don't need 800W. This one is better quality and cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: for gaming anything over 8GB @ 1600mhz is useless. get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That SSD is both insanely expensive and huge. Grab a 128 or 256GB Crucial m4 or samsung 830.

Grab a cheaper mobo. That one is madly overpriced for your needs.

also, the 580 isn't a great choice atm. Kind of expensive per performance. ah, a 680, makes more sense.
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April 29, 2012 10:31:20 PM

thanks guys. What mobo do you think I should drop down to that would support everything I have
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April 29, 2012 10:40:25 PM

yeah, lol. I prefer non-micro myself but that's just preference.
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April 29, 2012 10:41:04 PM

I've heard just from searching around that ASUS was the preferred brand for mobos. Is there any noticable difference between these two brands? WiFi would be a great feature to have but if it jacks up the price insanely then it's okay not to have. Other then that it just definitely has to be a Z77.
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April 29, 2012 10:41:26 PM

GPU
IMO, go for a 7970, very similar performance but better value, however with the recent announcement of the 690, the 680 prices could drop slightly.

I would get a Darkfleet full tower case too.. Better cooling system and better price,
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April 29, 2012 10:43:33 PM

bryanfromboston said:
I've heard just from searching around that ASUS was the preferred brand for mobos. Is there any noticable difference between these two brands? WiFi would be a great feature to have but if it jacks up the price insanely then it's okay not to have. Other then that it just definitely has to be a Z77.


ASUS is definitely a good brand, but they are top of the line, and often have features that most users don't need. ASRock is a solid alternative for users that do not need all the features of the asus boards.
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April 29, 2012 11:16:27 PM

1. The Mushkin Chronos Deluxe is faster, much cheaper ($250) and uses extended long life toshiba premium memory.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-storage-value,3...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4328/mushkin_chronos_d...

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To sum it all up with a bow on top, you get amazing performance, extremely long service life and a hassle free low price point on a drive that literally has very little competition in the marketplace.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2. I see no reason to use anything bigger than 8GB nor anything faster than DDR-1600 in a gaming box.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|20-233-186^20-233-186-TS%2C20-233-196^20-233-196-TS%2C20-233-199^20-233-199-TS

3. One place where I'd spend more money is the cooler and get the new 612 PWM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4. Ya want the 680 not the 580.
http://hardocp.com/article/2012/04/28/geforce_gtx_690_p...

In Guru 3D 2012 Game Test Suite, the 680 gets 989 fps making it a better value at $0.51 per frame than the 7970 which only manages 872 fps (88% of the performance, 117 fps behind) and has a cost of $0.55 per frame. Unfortunately, no one seems to be able to keep them in stock for any length of time.

5. I see nothing attractive about Ivy Bridge CPU's in desktops, especially if your using an aftermarket cooler and looking for significant OC's. Maybe over time things will improve but at this point in the production process, the high temps and low OC's have me concerned.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4673/intel_core_i7_377...

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Intel's 3770k brings with it some new features to the table alongside the new Z77 platform, but out of the box the performance is similar to the 2600k and 2700k. At the same price point you'd choose the 3770k when it came to out of the box performance and the fact that it's the newest technology.

If you're going to be overclocking, though, then the decision becomes a bit harder. With a more consistent record of higher clocks, we'd opt for the Sandy Bridge 2600k or 2700k most of the time. This is especially in the event that you're looking for some series clocks out of your system. What you would really want is a 2600k or 2700k that has been pre-tested in the second hand market for best value.

The 3770k is a good CPU and if you're not going to overclock (or don't know how to overclock or don't want to get into that) or just do some slight overclocking, we'd choose it over the 2600k or 2700k with ease. If you want to really get down and dirty, though, with some overclocking, you'd be better off looking at the 2600k or 2700k new or on the second hand market, especially since the price of these chips will likely drop now that they have been replaced with newer Ivy Bridge parts. Paired with a new Z77 based motherboard, you'd have yourself a really nice system.


http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4621/intel_ivy_bridge...

97C @ 4.8 GHz ?????? 22C higher than the 2600 @ 5.2 Ghz ......11C higher at stock speeds ????

And , yes, I'd definitely opt for Asus.....tho I'd drop down $35 and get the Sabertooth, amazing board w/ 5 year warranty..

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/20/asus_sabertoo...

6. Yes, an 800 850 watter is ideally sized for handling twin 680's , assumption being ya wouldn't have picked an SLI capable motherboard if ya weren't accounting for that option.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 29, 2012 11:20:54 PM

slicedtoad said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asrock

asrock used to be asus. Yes they make good mobos.
Just grab a wifi card, you don't need one built in.



Pretty close....Asrock used to be a Asus subsidiary which was created to compete in the OEM, low cost, commodity market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRock

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ASRock was originally spun off from Asus in 2002 in order to compete with companies like Foxconn for the commodity OEM market. Since then, ASRock has also gained momentum in the DIY sector and plans for moving the company upstream began in 2007


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April 30, 2012 12:58:19 AM

^right, I didn't really word that right.

I still love their boards though; low cost, great oc, few useless features that drive costs up, decent reliability. They also look good for their price.
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April 30, 2012 1:02:13 AM

slicedtoad said:
^right, I didn't really word that right.

I still love their boards though; low cost, great oc, few useless features that drive costs up, decent reliability. They also look good for their price.


I agree completely. If i could go back in time i would switch my ASUS board for an ASRock and put the difference to better use.
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April 30, 2012 1:03:04 AM

Don't bother with an i7. Those are for art and business applications, and if the i7 2600k is any indicator, don't help in gaming. You could easily save 100 dollars by dropping down to an i5 3570k, which should offer the same gaming performance (great) and give you money to get a 680. Good luck with your build.
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April 30, 2012 1:54:30 AM

Its not that memory faster than 1600MHz is useless for gaming its that the higher clocked memories have higher CAS latencies which if you actually compute the timings etc. end up being almost the same if not worse than a good quality 1600MHz kit. Hopefully the CAS latencies of the higher clocked ram will improve and we will start to have better choices (improve the prices too). Sometimes it is beneficial for overclocking etc. to buy higher speed memory and run it at a lower speed etc but of course this really depends the specific sticks of memory in question.

The i7 will have marginal improvements over the i5. I would just grab an i5.

A 120GB SSD is probably sufficient.

You might want to make sure you get a modular PSU.
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April 30, 2012 4:17:13 AM

^no, anything faster than 1600mhz is useless with sandybridge because the speed can't be made use of. Timings are part of the speed. 1600mhz at 9 9 9 24 doesn't perform better in games than 1600mhz at 7 8 7 24. It's certainly faster memory, it just isn't useful with sb in games.
As to Ivy, it's possible there will be a change but unlikely since it's very similar to SB.
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