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Today I was struck by something. Halo 2 is still the best game out, and
if Halo 2 didn't exist, there'd be an argument that Halo CE was. That,
of course, can mean only one thing: the average game developer is
pathetic

Bungie, itself, wouldn't be much without the massive financial support
from Microsoft. Even still, they made a remarkable number of mistakes
with this game, and obviously rushed it.

My point is, it won't be the technical constraints of the consoles
limiting gaming, it'll be the lousy, uncreative developers themselves.
(and the big corporate scumbags who demand a new release every month)
There are but a couple games, in the entire market, worth investing
your time and money in. There's simply not much to be impressed with.
 
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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Today I was struck by something. Halo 2 is still the best game out, and
> if Halo 2 didn't exist, there'd be an argument that Halo CE was. That,
> of course, can mean only one thing: the average game developer is
> pathetic

Or, it can mean that you are a 15 year old troll. Halo 2 is not the best
game out. It is not even the best game in the franchise. It sure as hell
doesn't beat countless other Xbox games let alone games from other consoles.
Here are just a few games that I feel are somewhat better or significantly
better than Halo 2 for Xbox.

Rainbow Six
Ghost Recon
Halo
Forza Motorsport
KOTOR
Morrowind
Midtown Madness 3
NFL 2K5
Top Spin
Tiger Woods
GTA:SA


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> Bungie, itself, wouldn't be much without the massive financial support
> from Microsoft. Even still, they made a remarkable number of mistakes
> with this game, and obviously rushed it.
>
> My point is, it won't be the technical constraints of the consoles
> limiting gaming, it'll be the lousy, uncreative developers themselves.
> (and the big corporate scumbags who demand a new release every month)
> There are but a couple games, in the entire market, worth investing
> your time and money in. There's simply not much to be impressed with.
>
 
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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Today I was struck by something. Halo 2 is still the best game out, and
> if Halo 2 didn't exist, there'd be an argument that Halo CE was.

You need to play a bigger variety of games if you honestly think Halo 2 is
the best anything.
I would guess it's not even in most gamers top 50. Most were extremely
disappointed with 2.
The original Halo is a different story entirely.
 
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aether wrote:

> Bungie, itself, wouldn't be much without the massive financial support
> from Microsoft. Even still, they made a remarkable number of mistakes
> with this game, and obviously rushed it.

That was _because_ of Microsoft. They were doing just fine before MS
came along. Some might even say better...
 
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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Today I was struck by something. Halo 2 is still the best game out, and
> if Halo 2 didn't exist, there'd be an argument that Halo CE was. That,
> of course, can mean only one thing: the average game developer is
> pathetic

Well, that's your opinion. I don't think Halo 2 is "still the best game
out," nor was it ever the best game out. And neither do I think Halo was
the best game out...although it was the best game on Xbox for a long, long
time.

> Bungie, itself, wouldn't be much without the massive financial support
> from Microsoft. Even still, they made a remarkable number of mistakes
> with this game, and obviously rushed it.

Agreed. But it seems that bug or glitch-free games are the exception these
days, not the rule...especially since publishers need to impress
stockholders and a lot of developers need to finish their projects in time
for the release of the movies they got the licenses for.

> My point is, it won't be the technical constraints of the consoles
> limiting gaming, it'll be the lousy, uncreative developers themselves.

But this has always been the case. Even back in the days of the Atari 2600,
you had Atari putting out some bland games when suddenly Activision came
along and showed how much better they could do with the same console. The
2600 didn't change--the developers were more creative and freed from
restraints. From generation to generation, things change. Companies such
as Acclaim used to rule the SNES/Genesis era, then bombed in the
PlayStation/N64 era and are now dead. Rockstar/DMA/Take 2 were around for
the PS One and N64 era, but they were small fish. After hitting their
stride with GTA, Smuggler's Run, and Midnight Club on the PS2/Xbox, they
became one of the biggies. You never know when some small developer is
going to make a big splash because they take risks while the others are
playing it safe and not showing creativity.

> (and the big corporate scumbags who demand a new release every month)
> There are but a couple games, in the entire market, worth investing
> your time and money in. There's simply not much to be impressed with.

I don't think I agree with that. You just have to look harder. I'm
enjoying God of War, Star Wars Legos, Burnout 3, Medal of Honor: EA, Batman
Begins, Prince of Persia: WW, PSP Hot Shots Golf, and lots of others right
now. And I can always go back to older games if nothing interests me at the
moment.
 
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>>>Rainbow Six
Ghost Recon
Halo
Forza Motorsport
KOTOR
Morrowind
Midtown Madness 3
NFL 2K5
Top Spin
Tiger Woods
GTA:SA <<<

Forza aside, how many people are playing the above titles on Xbox live?
Were any of those games listed responsible for the two-fold increase in
subscription to live? Doubtful. Halo 2 is the driving force behind Xbox
live, and still the best game on that console.
 
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>>>aether wrote:
> Today I was struck by something.


Must of hurt,<<<

Indeed. There are but a couple games worth playing on consoles, in my
estimation. Halo 2, Forza, KOTOR, and perhaps Splinter Cell and Ghost
Recon. PS2? GC? Forget about it. Playstation 2 is just dead in the
water, and the 360 might just close the gap further, in terms of sales.
One genre that's incredibly disappointing on the Xbox (and the other
two, as well), is RPGs. What, aside from Morrowind (three years old)
and KOTOR, are worth playing? Again, I think corporate greed is
responsible for much of the lack of creativity, as developers are
rushed. Then, there's the overall lack of vision and originality on the
part of the developers themselves.
 
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Sounds a little short sighted to me. What about GTA, Silent Hill, Final
Fantasy, Resident Evil, Jax and Dexter, Splinter Cell and well I could on
for awhile like that. Beside many people would argue with you that Doom 3
is the best game out right now not Halo 2. And even more would argue that
one of the games I listed was the best. Even more still would argue that
games not named here are the best. See my point? You have an opinion and
that's good, but that doesn't mean it's right.

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Today I was struck by something. Halo 2 is still the best game out, and
> if Halo 2 didn't exist, there'd be an argument that Halo CE was. That,
> of course, can mean only one thing: the average game developer is
> pathetic
>
> Bungie, itself, wouldn't be much without the massive financial support
> from Microsoft. Even still, they made a remarkable number of mistakes
> with this game, and obviously rushed it.
>
> My point is, it won't be the technical constraints of the consoles
> limiting gaming, it'll be the lousy, uncreative developers themselves.
> (and the big corporate scumbags who demand a new release every month)
> There are but a couple games, in the entire market, worth investing
> your time and money in. There's simply not much to be impressed with.
>
 
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I would agree with you Boody although I think Halo 2 on live has the
greatest surplus of fanboys.
I love 1 and played all the time on GameSpy against others. I beat 2
and that was it.
 
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> Rainbow Six




The sequel to R63 (Blackarrow) was a major disappointment to me,

They put some clan stuff in, changed the HUD color, replaced a gun, etc.
the voice stuff was neat, but the bots kept interpreting the commands
wrong (think "Open the door", Followed by "BHZZT! Fire in the hole!
BHZZT!" *Grenade Bounces back*)

That said the game itself was pretty fun, just that the improvements
were not in any way, shape, or form worth the 50ish bucks I payed for
it.
 
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There are quite a few scumbags and little pricks playing Halo 2, but I
suspect when you have that number of people doing anything, a great
portion of them will be as such.
 
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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> There are quite a few scumbags and little pricks playing Halo 2, but I
> suspect when you have that number of people doing anything, a great
> portion of them will be as such.
>

That was my point though. Halo 2's release brought the dumb asses out of
the woodwork. It was rare you would find them in most games with the
exception of Mechassault.
 
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Nick Sadler wrote:
>
> i'd suggest buying a PS2 and a GC, or at least borrowing one to see what
> they give that the xbox doesn't.
> if you own either of these, you'll know your argument is a redundant one.
>
>
>
> Nick

I own all three consoles. You can chalk up PS2's ridiculous worldwide
sales to a couple things: 1) Japan, 2) Japan, 3) It already had an
established name and success, 4) It came out first, 5) The average
person is a follower and semi-retarded

I own all three systems, and I can honestly say the Xbox has them beat
-- by far.
 
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>PS2? GC? Forget about it. Playstation 2 is just dead in the
> water, and the 360 might just close the gap further, in terms of sales.


as i understand this, you're suggesting that the PS2 is dead, and the X360
will close the gap ( between Xbox and PS2?) by selling more titles?

The way i understand it, is that the PS2 has never been stronger, a
worldwide installbase of approaching 100,000,000 consoles, and 2 million
unique online users in europe alone, compared to the Xbox1's 1.3 mil..

it seems to me that this is little more than the Xbox usergroups morale
message.

every console is sold because of the software and peripherals that it
supports, and every console in the current gen has plenty of games woth
buying the console for.
I notice the X360 is doing its best to jump on the eyetoy bandwagon..? I
can't see it competing even with the PS2, let alone what the PS3 will offer
in this regard.

i'd suggest buying a PS2 and a GC, or at least borrowing one to see what
they give that the xbox doesn't.
if you own either of these, you'll know your argument is a redundant one.



Nick
 
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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Nick Sadler wrote:
>>
>> i'd suggest buying a PS2 and a GC, or at least borrowing one to see what
>> they give that the xbox doesn't.
>> if you own either of these, you'll know your argument is a redundant one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>
> I own all three consoles. You can chalk up PS2's ridiculous worldwide
> sales to a couple things: 1) Japan, 2) Japan, 3) It already had an
> established name and success, 4) It came out first, 5) The average
> person is a follower and semi-retarded

You are an idiot.

>
> I own all three systems, and I can honestly say the Xbox has them beat
> -- by far.
>
 
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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>aether wrote:
>> Today I was struck by something.
>
>
> Must of hurt,<<<
>
> Indeed. There are but a couple games worth playing on consoles, in my
> estimation. Halo 2, Forza, KOTOR, and perhaps Splinter Cell and Ghost
> Recon. PS2? GC? Forget about it. Playstation 2 is just dead in the
> water, and the 360 might just close the gap further, in terms of sales.
> One genre that's incredibly disappointing on the Xbox (and the other
> two, as well), is RPGs. What, aside from Morrowind (three years old)
> and KOTOR, are worth playing? Again, I think corporate greed is
> responsible for much of the lack of creativity, as developers are
> rushed. Then, there's the overall lack of vision and originality on the
> part of the developers themselves.

Didn't we already go through this not too terribly long ago?!?
PS2 is "dead in the water"...obvious right there that you have either A) No
clue whatsoever or B) don't own a PS2 or C) have zero taste in games. There
are a ton of good-great games on the PS2, and plenty on there that are
original and there is nothing close to them on the Xbox. GC has some great
games as well, they just don't come out very often.
 
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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>Rainbow Six
> Ghost Recon
> Halo
> Forza Motorsport
> KOTOR
> Morrowind
> Midtown Madness 3
> NFL 2K5
> Top Spin
> Tiger Woods
> GTA:SA <<<
>
> Forza aside, how many people are playing the above titles on Xbox live?
> Were any of those games listed responsible for the two-fold increase in
> subscription to live? Doubtful. Halo 2 is the driving force behind Xbox
> live, and still the best game on that console.
>
In my opinion, Ghost Recon got the original crowd onto Live. It was clear
right away that Ghost Recon was THE game for Live when it first launched.
 
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aether wrote:
> Today I was struck by something. Halo 2 is still the best game out, and
> if Halo 2 didn't exist, there'd be an argument that Halo CE was. That,
> of course, can mean only one thing: the average game developer is
> pathetic
>
> Bungie, itself, wouldn't be much without the massive financial support
> from Microsoft. Even still, they made a remarkable number of mistakes
> with this game, and obviously rushed it.
>
> My point is, it won't be the technical constraints of the consoles
> limiting gaming, it'll be the lousy, uncreative developers themselves.
> (and the big corporate scumbags who demand a new release every month)

After readng your posts I think you are confusing 'best overall game'
with 'most popular XBL game'.

The fact that Halo 2 is a very popular Xbox Live game does not mean the
average game developer is "pathetic."

> There are but a couple games, in the entire market, worth investing
> your time and money in. There's simply not much to be impressed with.

I couldn't disagree more.
 
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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Nick Sadler wrote:
>>
>> i'd suggest buying a PS2 and a GC, or at least borrowing one to see what
>> they give that the xbox doesn't.
>> if you own either of these, you'll know your argument is a redundant one.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>
> I own all three consoles. You can chalk up PS2's ridiculous worldwide
> sales to a couple things: 1) Japan, 2) Japan, 3) It already had an
> established name and success, 4) It came out first, 5) The average
> person is a follower and semi-retarded
>
> I own all three systems, and I can honestly say the Xbox has them beat
> -- by far.
>

Not taking into account how many consoles were returned for deffective
parts, of combustible power cables,
These figures were correct as of 18 months ago:

North America
PlayStation 2 - 29.09 million
Xbox - 8.6 million
GameCube - 7.46 million
Game Boy Advance - 23.78 million
PSone - 39.18 million

Japan / Asia
PlayStation 2 - 15.90 million
Xbox - 1.4 million (~425,000 Japan alone)
GameCube - 3.37 million
Game Boy Advance - 12.66 million
PSone - 20.51 million

Europe / PAL
PlayStation 2 - 24.47 million
Xbox - 3.7 million
GameCube - 3.11 million (~3 million Europe alone)
Game Boy Advance - 12.98 million
PSone - 39.53 million

Worldwide
PlayStation 2 - 69.46 million
Xbox - 13.7 million
GameCube - 13.94 million
Game Boy Advance - 49.42 million
PSone - 99.22 million

i'm sorry this is so old, but the stats aren't easily findable in limited
time.

Japan doesn't seem t account for the sales.. in fact the USA does,

your third point is fair, and your strongest, but I think limited,
the PS2, and gamecube did have some months to establish an installbase,
but if the Xbox had a software lineup that would at all threaten its
competition, it would have done better.

as it stands, the only areas where the Xbox is superior, is its ability to
throw textures and geometry around, and also that it comes with NIC as
standard.
the lack of optical audio out disappointed me. its price is a muted point,
because that's only due to the console's failure, the same as GC.
the useless bundled joypad (the less-so useless controller-S), and the
silly-loud operating noise.

the sole reason i own an Xbox, is to play streetfighter anniversary and
burnout3.. plus it would be irresponsible for me to not own one.

GC has more fun games than xbox - and I think in attempting to be largely
more mature in its software catalogue, the xbox isn't doing itself any
favours.

the PS2 has the market niche, and I believe it can carry its consumer-base
through to the next gen..

but the impending new generation Launches will be the perfect test for your
4th point,


I don't like to consider myself a semi-retarded follower, but y'might be
right.. lol



take it easy







Nick.
 
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> I would agree with you Boody although I think Halo 2 on live has the
> greatest surplus of fanboys.

Mostly "kids" play Halo 2.
I prefer Ghost II because it's mostly an older crowd.

> I love 1 and played all the time on GameSpy against others. I beat 2
> and that was it.

me too
Once I completely alo 2 I only logged a couple hours online.
It's too chaotic and arcade like.
 
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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>>Rainbow Six
> Ghost Recon
> Halo
> Forza Motorsport
> KOTOR
> Morrowind
> Midtown Madness 3
> NFL 2K5
> Top Spin
> Tiger Woods
> GTA:SA <<<
>
> Forza aside, how many people are playing the above titles on Xbox live?
> Were any of those games listed responsible for the two-fold increase in
> subscription to live? Doubtful. Halo 2 is the driving force behind Xbox
> live, and still the best game on that console.

Oh ok, so what ever has the biggest user base = best to you?
*rolls-eyes*
 
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I'd argue that Halo 2 is not only NOT the best game, it's not even the
best XBox game. Hell, it wasn't even the best Xbox game the year it
came out.

The Chronicles of Riddick
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Fable
X-Men Legends

All of these were better, more worthwhile, more satisfying gaming
experiences than Halo 2. One of them isn't even an Xbox exclusive.

- Jordan
 
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>>>The Chronicles of Riddick
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Fable
X-Men Legends <<<

Those games aren't on Halo 2's level, especially not the first and last
ones. I thoroughly enjoyed both KOTOR games (beat them both multiple
times), and Fable was enjoyable. (beat it once) Right now, there's few
if any titles out there that grasp my attention. None for the PS2 or
GC. Halo 2, on the other hand, has had longevity because of it's
quality and online play.
 
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