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August 17, 2012 10:10:56 PM

an amd phenom ii x4 black edition but im not sure if my power supply has enough wattage.
I have a 500w power supply and my graphics card (gtx 560 ti) says it needs a minimum of 450w on the tiger direct page from where i purchased it.
This new processor requires 125w so my question to you guys is, do i have enough wattage?

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August 17, 2012 10:34:34 PM

Your PSU should be fine, however I'm more concerned about your motherboard.

What model is your PSU and what model is your motherboard? :) 
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August 17, 2012 10:36:08 PM

mocchan said:
Your PSU should be fine, however I'm more concerned about your motherboard.

What model is your PSU and what model is your motherboard? :) 


I'm unsure of my PSU but if i open my case i could tell you...my motherboard is a M4A785TD-V EVO by asus. It says that it supports up to 140w and amd phenom quad cores
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August 17, 2012 10:38:48 PM

Thank you for clearing that up :)  You should be fine in theory. The GTX560Ti only pulls around ~150w-200w from your PSU, and your CPU will pull around ~125w at MAX. That gives you with a total system usage (CPU+GPU only atm) of around ~275w-325w.

Factor in your other components and I can see a ~400w worst case scenario load on your PSU.

Do you know what brand your PSU is? As long as it's a QUALITY brand, I can almost guarantee you should be fine.
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August 17, 2012 10:41:33 PM

kelso1325 said:
an amd phenom ii x4 black edition but im not sure if my power supply has enough wattage.
I have a 500w power supply and my graphics card (gtx 560 ti) says it needs a minimum of 450w on the tiger direct page from where i purchased it.
This new processor requires 125w so my question to you guys is, do i have enough wattage?

The Phenom II x2 550 is a quad-core chip with two cores disabled. Have you tried unlocking the two dormant cores? The Phenom II x2's were really popular because a lot of them unlocked without issues, in addition to overclocking, so they provided phenomenal value for the $100 mark. Might take a bit of research, but worth it IMO.
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August 17, 2012 10:45:08 PM

jerm1027 said:
The Phenom II x2 550 is a quad-core chip with two cores disabled. Have you tried unlocking the two dormant cores? The Phenom II x2's were really popular because a lot of them unlocked without issues, in addition to overclocking, so they provided phenomenal value for the $100 mark. Might take a bit of research, but worth it IMO.


wait what? two dormant cores!?!? where can i unlock these!!?!
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August 17, 2012 10:46:21 PM

If your motherboard has a "Core Unlocker" feature, you can try that :) 
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August 17, 2012 10:48:02 PM

kelso1325 said:
wait what? two dormant cores!?!? where can i unlock these!!?!

Through the BIOS. Usually done through a feature called Advanced Clock Calibration (ACC), which was also marketed as a core unlocker from certain motherboard manufacturers. It varies by motherboard, chipset, etc. Since you already listed the motherboard, I'll look it up.

UPDATE: Here you go: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/254737-29-unlock-phen...
Here is the important part.
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The Unlocking Process
In terms of unlocking your “defective” cores, the process is actually very simple.

1. Enter BIOS.
2. Set Automatic Clock Calibration (ACC) to AUTO.
CRUCIAL step for Asus and Gigabyte owners : Enable "Unleashing" or change "EC Firmware" mode to "Hybrid"
3. Reboot.

If it was successful, your processor should have a new designation starting with X4. Congratulations, because you probably just unlocked your processor.

Some users have been reporting seeing the "X4" designation, but only seeing three cores using CPU-Z. Unfortunately, for 720BE users, it is most likely that your fourth core is defective. For 550BE users, thankfully, you were still able to unlock one of the two defective cores!!

Once you are in Windows, or any other OS that you use, you should begin stability testing for your unlocked processor. I highly suggest the use of Prime95 "Blend Test" for 12 hours to ensure stability before overclocking.
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August 17, 2012 10:55:18 PM

kelso1325 said:
I'm unsure of my PSU but if i open my case i could tell you...my motherboard is a M4A785TD-V EVO by asus. It says that it supports up to 140w and amd phenom quad cores


mocchan said:
If your motherboard has a "Core Unlocker" feature, you can try that :) 


The ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO is reported to work fine. I posted a thread earlier with another user confirming it works. Now, it's just down to little bit of luck.
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August 17, 2012 11:19:34 PM

jerm1027 said:
The ASUS M4A785TD-V EVO is reported to work fine. I posted a thread earlier with another user confirming it works. Now, it's just down to little bit of luck.


I did everything that post said to do and when i booted up i got unleashing mode failed. I did this 4 times and each time i got the same error....What now?
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August 17, 2012 11:22:29 PM

Your cores are most likely dead if it doesn't work :( 
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August 17, 2012 11:24:09 PM

mocchan said:
Your cores are most likely dead if it doesn't work :( 


well then im gunna check to see if all the cores are dead, gunna do core 2 and 3 seperatly *crosses fingers* hope this works
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August 17, 2012 11:27:25 PM

Good luck :) 
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August 17, 2012 11:27:37 PM

kelso1325 said:
I did everything that post said to do and when i booted up i got unleashing mode failed. I did this 4 times and each time i got the same error....What now?


Which BIOS are you using?
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Special Note about Asus Motherboards
UPDATE 22/8/09: Asus has released new bioses for their M4Axx line which addresses all previous unlocking problems. Make sure you update your bios to the most recent one before attempting to unlock.
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August 17, 2012 11:30:10 PM

^ +1 didn't think of that.
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August 17, 2012 11:52:45 PM

Uhh Im having a serious issue here. Windows is getting stuck on starting up windows and idk what to do
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August 17, 2012 11:59:30 PM

kelso1325 said:
Uhh Im having a serious issue here. Windows is getting stuck on starting up windows and idk what to do

Did you unlock any cores? If so, it might mean the cores are unstable. If not, try disabling ACC.

In the case of unstable cores, you can either up the voltage, or lower the multiplier. Also, disabling ACC works as well.
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August 18, 2012 12:02:50 AM

I disabled all cores after trying the two separately and after doin so windows Wont boot what's so ever I get options, boot windows normally or load all windows files, both get freeze during the first phases
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August 18, 2012 12:04:52 AM

kelso1325 said:
I disabled all cores after trying the two separately and after doin so windows Wont boot what's so ever I get options, boot windows normally or load all windows files, both get freeze during the first phases

Boot into safemode.

To boot into safemode, restart and after POST, spam the F8 key. Select Safe Mode.
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August 18, 2012 12:17:07 AM

I selected safe mode and it froze after loading \windows\system32\DRIVERS\AVGIDSEH.Sys

I then went afk for like 5 mins an came back to find my pc was off. Turned it on and I got the two same options again.

I'm really getting worried here
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August 18, 2012 12:25:07 AM

kelso1325 said:
I selected safe mode and it froze after loading \windows\system32\DRIVERS\AVGIDSEH.Sys

I then went afk for like 5 mins an came back to find my pc was off. Turned it on and I got the two same options again.

I'm really getting worried here

Try resetting the BIOS to factory settings. Alternatively, try clearing CMOS.
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August 18, 2012 12:57:05 AM

2624476,21,874477 said:
Try resetting the BIOS to factory settings. Alternatively, try clearing CMOS.[

And what will resetting everything in bios do? What will I have to fix?
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August 18, 2012 1:06:15 AM

kelso1325 said:
2624476,21,874477 said:
Try resetting the BIOS to factory settings. Alternatively, try clearing CMOS.[

And what will resetting everything in bios do? What will I have to fix?
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Well, the goal is actually fixing, not break. Resetting the BIOS will reset all settings to factory, which should be bootable and safe. The only thing you would have to "fix" is the boot order, if you had a particular one before, and whether or not the SATA controller operates in IDE or ACHI mode.

By default, most motherboards (except the newest ones) runs in IDE, which isn't bad, in fact offers broader compatibility, but some people (especially those with SSD's) prefer to run ACHI for a performance boost. Windows doesn't do well switching between the two. If you installed Windows without tweaking any BIOS settings first, then you don't have to worry about the IDE/ACHI setting upon resetting the BIOS.

If booting normally doesn't work after resetting the BIOS, try Safe Mode.

If this doesn't work, I have one last trick up my sleeve.
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August 18, 2012 1:38:43 AM

jerm1027 said:
Well, the goal is actually fixing, not break. Resetting the BIOS will reset all settings to factory, which should be bootable and safe. The only thing you would have to "fix" is the boot order, if you had a particular one before, and whether or not the SATA controller operates in IDE or ACHI mode.

By default, most motherboards (except the newest ones) runs in IDE, which isn't bad, in fact offers broader compatibility, but some people (especially those with SSD's) prefer to run ACHI for a performance boost. Windows doesn't do well switching between the two. If you installed Windows without tweaking any BIOS settings first, then you don't have to worry about the IDE/ACHI setting upon resetting the BIOS.

If booting normally doesn't work after resetting the BIOS, try Safe Mode.

If this doesn't work, I have one last trick up my sleeve.

Okay to reset my bios to default which option do I pick? Bios versio. Is 02.61 on my board
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August 18, 2012 2:19:15 AM

I'm unfamiliar with the ASUS BIOS. Look for something along the lines of reset/factory defaults. Alternatively, you can clear the CMOS by removing the battery. It's located just below the PATA port.
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August 18, 2012 2:27:02 AM

jerm1027 said:
I'm unfamiliar with the ASUS BIOS. Look for something along the lines of reset/factory defaults. Alternatively, you can clear the CMOS by removing the battery. It's located just below the PATA port.


I DID IT, that fixed it, resetting the bios to defaults that is. I love you guys <3 ty so much!

Btw im gunna go ahead and buy that black edition processor since the two cores on my processor are both dead D=
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August 18, 2012 7:10:17 AM

I've read the complete thread here and I'm having an issue with pretty much the same upgrade...
Maybe I am overlooking something obvious, or maybe it is something with my ASRock mobo?

I currently run a Phenom II X2 555 BE (HDZ555WFK2DGM(BE)) on an ASRock 890GX Extreme3. I originally bought the Phenom X2 knowing about the 2 masked cores and figured it was a good gamble as the ASRock has a UCC utility to unlock extra cores.

Tried everything over a year ago to unlock and had no success, so I figured cores three and four were truly broken and stopped trying. Besides, at the time, 2 cores standard at 3.2 GHz easily OC'd up to ~3.6 GHz just changing the multiplyer it seemed quite fast to me - over a year ago - when most software was not even able to UTILIZE more than two ores anyway...

Well now I saw the tried and true Phenom II X4 965 BE at Newegg for a mere $89.99 and I could not pass it up. It arrived yesterday and I couldn't wait to get it in. Installed last night after work and was totally let down when it wouldn't even run the bios on start. Power supply came up normal, all case fans operating, FireGL 7600 PCIe powered up fine and I heard at least one hard drive spin up, but no video to either monitor. Powered down and checked for all the usual - connections all tight, no smoke emanating from components, etc. Removed video card and plugged one monitor into onboard Radeon HD4850 and repeated power up. Nothing new. Just no video, but all lights and fans just fine.

Don't know what to do except send it back...the mobo lists the exact processor as compatable using all versions of the bios.

Any ideas?
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August 18, 2012 10:19:46 AM

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