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May 3, 2012 8:55:16 PM

Ok, so I think I have figured out my current plan for my final build:

-Rosewill RANGER-M Dual Fans MicroATX Mini Tower $40

- RAIDMAX Blackstone series RX-700AC 700W 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified $65

- GIGABYTE GV-N560OC-1GI GeForce GTX 560 Ti $230

- ASRock Z77 Pro4-M LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX $110

-Intel Ivy i5-3570K $230

- Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 $42

-3.5" 7200RPM 64MB Seagate 1 TB $100

- SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner $16

- Rosewill RNX-N150HG (RNWD-11004) IEEE 802.11b/g/n, USB 2.0, High Gain Wireless-N Adapter $15

- Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM $100

Total: $948

The PSU is 80+ Bronze certified so it seems fine and ready for upgrades. I went with Ivy Bridge and an overclocked 560Ti just in case I want that extra performance. The case is small because that is what I want in my PC, and the reviews say it has good airflow and works fine with similar parts to mine.

The plan is to run BF3 on Ultra at 720p or 900p at 30+ FPS.

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May 3, 2012 9:19:22 PM

I'd heavily advise against purchasing a Raidmax PSU - they're a brand that makes so much junk it's not funny. If you want to go mATX on a $1K budget you can do way better than the parts you picked out, here's what I would get:

Case: Fractal Design Arc MINI - $99.99
PSU: Corsair Enthusiast Series TX 750 V2 - $89.99
Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme 4-M - $129.99
CPU: 3.30GHz Intel Core i5-3570K - $249.99
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo - $34.99
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw X 1600MHz 1.5V 8GB - $46.99
HD: Seagate Barracuda ST 1TB - $109.99
Optical: Lite On Bulk DVD Burner - $17.99
Video Card: XFX Double D Radeon HD 7850 - $269.99

Total: $1,049.91

A little bit over budget but the case is extremely high quality and the PSU isn't junk, and the video card will definitely get you the results you want.
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May 3, 2012 10:30:01 PM

g-unit1111 said:
I'd heavily advise against purchasing a Raidmax PSU - they're a brand that makes so much junk it's not funny. If you want to go mATX on a $1K budget you can do way better than the parts you picked out, here's what I would get:

Case: Fractal Design Arc MINI - $99.99
PSU: Corsair Enthusiast Series TX 750 V2 - $89.99
Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme 4-M - $129.99
CPU: 3.30GHz Intel Core i5-3570K - $249.99
Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo - $34.99
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaw X 1600MHz 1.5V 8GB - $46.99
HD: Seagate Barracuda ST 1TB - $109.99
Optical: Lite On Bulk DVD Burner - $17.99
Video Card: XFX Double D Radeon HD 7850 - $269.99

Total: $1,049.91

A little bit over budget but the case is extremely high quality and the PSU isn't junk, and the video card will definitely get you the results you want.


So you are sure the PSU is junk? If so I will get a different brand. Also I like the case I have chosen a lot. Is there a specific reason you don't like it (Such as not fitting my components?).
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May 3, 2012 11:04:04 PM

I have seen that case and it looks good. One other note is that Cooler Master's 430 is the $49 before a $10 mir and is great. I ordered one in late April and it works beautifully. Here is a link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Why do you want to go with a matx mobo? If there is a reason, go with that one, but I see no reason to. Also, g-unit1111, your build goes $150 if you include windows 7. The corsair psu would be better. Also check out one of these wireless card, pci is much faster.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/344769-31-need-evalua...
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May 3, 2012 11:21:05 PM

adgjlsfhk said:
I have seen that case and it looks good. One other note is that Cooler Master's 430 is the $49 before a $10 mir and is great. I ordered one in late April and it works beautifully. Here is a link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Why do you want to go with a matx mobo? If there is a reason, go with that one, but I see no reason to. Also, g-unit1111, your build goes $150 if you include windows 7. The corsair psu would be better. Also check out one of these wireless card, pci is much faster.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/344769-31-need-evalua...


I am going with micro atx becuase I hate big PC's. The case I found is IMO, the perfect size as it is near MINI-ITX but still big enough to be fitted with some big guns!

This is my new pick for a PSU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 4, 2012 12:44:22 AM

adgjlsfhk said:
You don't need nearly that much power for your build. With a 560ti use
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/313724-28-power-consu...
Go with this psu: Corsair builder series 600w $69-$10mir
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I agree my PSU is overkill. But I got this one so I can upgrade to 690 or maybe 560 Ti SLI in the future. Is this still overkill or is it silly for me to plan for that now? Any other reasons besides price to downgrade the PSU (Like power use or size)?
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May 4, 2012 7:19:46 PM

CaptainTom said:
So you are sure the PSU is junk? If so I will get a different brand. Also I like the case I have chosen a lot. Is there a specific reason you don't like it (Such as not fitting my components?).


If you want to keep the case that's fine, but Raidmax is indeed junk - I've worked with a lot of their cases and they are just flat-out crap, they use a lot of cheap plastic and cut corners on the construction. So with that said I wouldn't touch their PSUs with a 10 foot pole.

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I agree my PSU is overkill. But I got this one so I can upgrade to 690 or maybe 560 Ti SLI in the future. Is this still overkill or is it silly for me to plan for that now? Any other reasons besides price to downgrade the PSU (Like power use or size)?


Those are totally different GPUs - the 690 will require a monster PSU even though it's still more energy efficient than the 590 but it's essentially a two-GPU-in-one design. The 690 is essentially the Bugatti Veyron of GPUs - overpriced and only for that rare breed that has tons of dough to blow - where the 560TI is more like a Ford Fusion - not as sleek but affordable gets the job done. :lol: 
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May 4, 2012 7:54:28 PM

For one 7850, 750W is overkill; even for two it is overkill. 650W is enough power for CF.
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May 5, 2012 12:19:43 AM

You should be able to power 2 560ti's in sli with about 700w. However, by the time you have the money I would get a newer gpu instead.
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May 5, 2012 5:44:25 PM

I would go with a 600w or psu mainly because newer tech generally uses less power.
(sb to ib, 6xxx to 7xxx, 580 to 680)
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May 5, 2012 8:39:53 PM

adgjlsfhk said:
I would go with a 600w or psu mainly because newer tech generally uses less power.
(sb to ib, 6xxx to 7xxx, 580 to 680)


This is a very good point. Ok so do you think I should get a 7850 or a 560 Ti? The 7850 seems a little stronger, but I worry about it lacking Physx and it does cost about $30 more. Is it worth it? Will it use more energy, and does my chosen PSU have enough connectors for the 560Ti or a 7850?

Thanks!
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May 6, 2012 8:11:37 AM

CaptainTom said:
This is a very good point. Ok so do you think I should get a 7850 or a 560 Ti? The 7850 seems a little stronger, but I worry about it lacking Physx and it does cost about $30 more. Is it worth it? Will it use more energy, and does my chosen PSU have enough connectors for the 560Ti or a 7850?

Thanks!


Phys X doesn't really do anything - it's just a set of instructions for the GPU to communicate with the CPU properly. You're fine without it. The 7850 is a much newer GPU than the 560TI is, and actually comes close to eclipsing GTX 570 numbers, and that's why it gets recommended.
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May 6, 2012 5:53:21 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Phys X doesn't really do anything - it's just a set of instructions for the GPU to communicate with the CPU properly. You're fine without it. The 7850 is a much newer GPU than the 560TI is, and actually comes close to eclipsing GTX 570 numbers, and that's why it gets recommended.


I am wondering if my CPU is at all overkill. I mean the one I have listed will easily OC to 4.0+ GHz with no issues but then again I could get a Phenom II 980 for around $100 cheaper. Would that money be better spent on a 7850, or should I just pay the extra $30 for the 7850 and keep the IB i5-k?
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May 6, 2012 10:46:57 PM

CaptainTom said:
I am wondering if my CPU is at all overkill. I mean the one I have listed will easily OC to 4.0+ GHz with no issues but then again I could get a Phenom II 980 for around $100 cheaper. Would that money be better spent on a 7850, or should I just pay the extra $30 for the 7850 and keep the IB i5-k?


No - keep the Ivy, AMD CPUs have gone way downhill in the last few years. I'm actually switching out my AMD board this week for an Ivy Bridge-based board. I wouldn't go AMD right now - AM3 and AM3+ are based on an aging socket that hasn't held up well over time. Supposedly Piledriver will be using a completely new socket, CPU design and chipset layout - whether it will give Sandy/Ivy a run for the money remains to be seen. Right now it's all speculation. But FX was such a huge fail that it's hard to recommend any AMD build right now.

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Again, I will recommend corsair because they are a better brand.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139028


The CX series is decent - they're definitely better than Raidmax I'll give you that. There's no words to accurately describe how much I hate Raidmax and their cheaply made cases.
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May 6, 2012 10:55:42 PM

CX series is ok, but I highly recommend staying with AX, TX or HX for Corsair PSUs. Especially stay away from GS series PSUs.
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May 6, 2012 10:59:26 PM

adgjlsfhk said:
Keep the ivy because an ivy I3 should destroy an overclocked Phenom II for gaming.
Again, I will recommend corsair because they are a better brand.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Thanks! I will!

Should I go with the 2500k or the 3570k?

They seem about equal but I am reading the IB is clock for clock faster than SB, and can be OC a little with a stock fan. Keep in mind a 2500k is also $30 cheaper...
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May 7, 2012 11:12:28 AM

I would get ivy because in the future, it will let you stick in a pcie 3.0 card whereas sandy is restricted to pcie 2.0/1
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May 7, 2012 2:52:52 PM

adgjlsfhk said:
I would get ivy because in the future, it will let you stick in a pcie 3.0 card whereas sandy is restricted to pcie 2.0/1


What does this mean? Also how hard is it to get an i5-2500k to recognize 1600 MHz RAM?
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May 7, 2012 10:53:34 PM

I meant that ivy bridge supports pcie 3.0, but sandy bridge can only use pcie 2.0. Presently, very few graphics cards can use this extra bandwidth so it is not that important. Within the next couple of years, though, graphics cards will be able to use transfer rates above 5 gb/s and when that happens, you will want pcie 3.0. For the ram question, I think you have to overclock to get 1600MHz frequencies. It will be recognized, but it will be downgraded to 1066 or 1333 MHz by default.
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May 7, 2012 10:55:10 PM

If you set it in BIOS, it will stay at 1600 MHz.
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May 7, 2012 11:32:46 PM

adgjlsfhk said:
I meant that ivy bridge supports pcie 3.0, but sandy bridge can only use pcie 2.0. Presently, very few graphics cards can use this extra bandwidth so it is not that important. Within the next couple of years, though, graphics cards will be able to use transfer rates above 5 gb/s and when that happens, you will want pcie 3.0. For the ram question, I think you have to overclock to get 1600MHz frequencies. It will be recognized, but it will be downgraded to 1066 or 1333 MHz by default.


Ok, so out of curiosity, how well would a GTX 690 work in a 2.0? Or can it be plugged into two 2.0's?
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May 7, 2012 11:35:43 PM

azeem40 said:
CX series is ok, but I highly recommend staying with AX, TX or HX for Corsair PSUs. Especially stay away from GS series PSUs.


Yeah I haven't heard good things about the GS series - bad OEM or what? I wonder what Corsair was thinking with those.

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Ok, so out of curiosity, how well would a GTX 690 work in a 2.0? Or can it be plugged into two 2.0's?


A 690 is a dual processor GPU already and is essentially two 680's SLI'd so a dual 690 configuration would work about the same as if you had 4 680s. :ouch: 
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May 7, 2012 11:50:45 PM

g-unit1111 said:
Yeah I haven't heard good things about the GS series - bad OEM or what? I wonder what Corsair was thinking with those.

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Ok, so out of curiosity, how well would a GTX 690 work in a 2.0? Or can it be plugged into two 2.0's?


A 690 is a dual processor GPU already and is essentially two 680's SLI'd so a dual 690 configuration would work about the same as if you had 4 680s. :ouch: 


Ok so how well would a GTX 680 work? It says 3.0...
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May 8, 2012 12:59:24 AM

3.0 is not get saturated, so it will work fine.
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May 8, 2012 1:14:44 AM

Azeem40 is right. Pcie 2.0 gives you up to 5 gb/s while pcie 3.0 gives you up to 8 gb/s. Almost no graphics cards can use 5 gb/s so for now pcie 3.0 is not that big a deal. In two or three years, however, pcie 3.0 will be needed to play the then modern games. A 680 or 690 using pcie 2.0 will still work fine, but it will be trapped at a 5 gb/s transfer rate.
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May 8, 2012 3:43:17 AM

adgjlsfhk said:
Azeem40 is right. Pcie 2.0 gives you up to 5 gb/s while pcie 3.0 gives you up to 8 gb/s. Almost no graphics cards can use 5 gb/s so for now pcie 3.0 is not that big a deal. In two or three years, however, pcie 3.0 will be needed to play the then modern games. A 680 or 690 using pcie 2.0 will still work fine, but it will be trapped at a 5 gb/s transfer rate.


Ok great explanation. Btw I got an EVGA 560 Ti for $180 so that is set in stone. With all the other advice I have gotten does this build seem good to go?
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May 8, 2012 3:29:26 PM

adgjlsfhk said:
order now.


I am bidding on a processor right now. Once I get it, I will order the rest of my parts...
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May 8, 2012 8:21:54 PM

why are you bidding?
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May 9, 2012 12:17:11 AM

adgjlsfhk said:
why are you bidding?


Cheaper. Though I found an i5-3570k for $225 that i think I should just buy...
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May 9, 2012 5:57:44 AM

Best answer selected by CaptainTom.
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May 9, 2012 6:00:04 AM

Just thought I would let everyone know I have ordered all parts. I got an i5-3570k for $220, and an EVGA 560 Ti for $180. Everything else is essentially the same as my OP build accept for a more reliable PSU. Total cost came to ~$900. Couldn't be happier!!
Thank you all, truly!
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