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TheTozmo

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Hey guys,
I am building a new computer, well only mobo, ram, gpu, powersupply and cpu. Which choice do I pick (please don't recommend other things, I am already over budget. I also want 3+ years futureproof, so which would be better. Oh and I am a gamer :p

INTEL:
mobo: Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H
cpu: Intel core i5 2500 (non k, I don't overclock)
ram: Patriot Gamer2 8G (4G x 2) DDR3 1333 mhz
gpu: Super oc gigabyte 1gb GTX560 (no I don't want ti!)
psu: Coolermaster extreme power plus RS-500 watt

AMD:
mobo: Asus M5A97
cpu: AMD FX-8120
ram: Patriot Gamer2 8G kit (4G x 2) DDR3 1600
gpu: Super oc gigabyte 1gb GTX560 (no I don't want ti!)
psu: Coolermaster extreme power plus RS-500 watt

The AMD build is cheaper so it has better ram if you were wondering. Please which is better, thanks!

Edit: I have decide on a build, here it is:
Motherboard: ASUS P8H77-M Motherboard
Ram: G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL (2x4GB) DDR3
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400
GPU: Gainward GeForce GTX 570 1280MB Dual Fan
PSU: Corsair CX-500 V2 Power Supply
 
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Why go down to 2300?
I choose the chipset because I was running out of money so I had to choose a cheap mobo....
Also how many watt psu do you recommend?
Thanks
 
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you won't notice the 200Mhz drop ion speed and will eb cheaper although it depends on what sort of price drop you get.

500W will be more than enough, you could probably go lower but it's hard to find decent quality PSU's below the 500W and they can be more expensive.

Where are you buying from?
 
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For a power supply, I would get a Corsair CX500, its a decent PSU and shouldnt break your budget.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027

I agree, drop down to a i-5 2300 or 2400, if you're not interested in overclocking, you wont notice much of a difference.

I'd recommend the AMD build, only under the condition that you use a Phenom II 965 CPU and overclock it to 3.7GHZ rather than the 8120, otherwise, go with the i5. This is a very modest overclock, and really all you're doing is giving it the same specs as a more expensive 980 Phenom II model. They're only 120 bucks from newegg, which is a good 50 bucks cheaper than an i5 2400.. So up to you. but the FX-8120 is only acceptable by my standards if you do some serious overclocking.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727 will work with the AMD system with no other parts changes. I own a system with an i5-2400.. They perform the same when gaming.
 
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If you're getting a new system that can't overclock, and you want it to last circa 3 years, then you may want to think about Ivybridge. The i5-3450 is reasonably well-priced, and Ivy is slightly better than Sandy for processing. If you had Sandy already, I'd not recommend upgrading but if you're getting a new system it doesn't make sense to go Sandy when Ivy will give you that bit more.

Also, why not the 560Ti? Bear in mind that consoles will be refreshed soon and that will require more of PCs. The 560 is a capable GPU but for a little more you get a better card. Or better yet, get a 7850...it's markedly better than the 560Ti, and as it's based on the 28nm process it will run cooler and more efficiently.
 
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I don't understand why anyone wouldn't overclock these days personally. The risk is almost zero of frying a chip, Intel even offers a 1 time replacement for 20 bucks if you do fry a chip (which is damn near impossible unless you do something stupid), and the benefits of overclocking is great.
 
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Based on what you guys have said, what about this:

mobo: asus p8h77-m
ram: ripjaws 1333mhz 8gb (1x8gb)
gpu: Palit GeForce GTX 560 Smart Edition 1GB
cpu: i5 2400
psu: Corsair CX-500 V2 Power Supply

This leaves me sitting on my budget EXACTLY,
btw I am aussie, newegg no good. I also cant find 2300...

So what do you guys think of this?
 
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I would think for RAM it would be cheaper to go 4gb x 2 over 1 x 8gb config.

Also, i agree with the above, get the k and overclock it. I'm not huge on OC'ing (yet) but the ASRock UEFI setup makes it sooooo easy. they have preset OC's. its good for basic OC'ing while you get your knowledge base up.

Drop $20 more and get the Ti.
 
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Go with 2 4GB sticks, 8GB modules are known to have quirks from time to time. It should probably be cheaper too. We'll be DDR4 RAM long before any gamer will need more than 8GB or RAM if you're concerned about being able to max out your board at a later date.

Also, I would consider a Radeon 6870 video card, its generally significantly cheaper and just about as good as a 560.
 
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I just got $100 more dollars in my budget, here is my build now:
Motherboard: ASUS P8H77-M Motherboard
Ram: G.Skill Ripjaws DDR3 1333mhz 8gb (2x4gb)
CPU: intel i5 2500k
GPU: gigabyte geforce GTX560 ti oc
PSU: Corsair CX-500 V2 Power Supply

Opinions?

I MAY start to get into over clocking myself, but I am DEFINITELY using turbo!
 
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Can't get the board into my budget, I have already hit my margin.
Can't really afford a cooler either; how much better is the ti that the 560? Because I can get a cooler if I get that.
Also what do you think of the i5-3550? It would eliminate the need for a cooler because you can't overclock, and it is the new ivy bridge.
 
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I would estimate that the 560 TI is about 10 percent better than the non-TI, in which case, I think the 6870 would be better.
http://www.hwcompare.com/10981/geforce-gtx-560-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti/
I really don't know how accurate this is, since it doesnt give an itemized list of how it actually calculates all this but I think my 10 percent estimate is fair based on the non ti having less stream processors.

http://www.hwcompare.com/11005/geforce-gtx-560-vs-radeon-hd-6870/
And based on this (again, I'm not too thrilled about the lack of specifics with this website) but it shows the 6870 pulling ahead of the non-TI 560 but I do think it fair based on hardware alone.

What do I think about the Ivy Bridge? Absolutely zero gaming performance boost from it vs Sandy Bridge. Thats why earlier in the thread I mentioned Phenom IIs as a viable option. Most games are going to rely on your video card choice for how well the game will play more than anything. You strap a powerful enough video card on you gaming rig and any quad core is going to be fine.

Productivity style software like video editing, photoshopping, video coding, 6 percent improvement at best of Ivy vs Sandy.

Edit: forgot links
 
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I can't get the 6870, only the 6850, 7750 and 7770. I would really like to get the GTX 560 ti so maybe I won't get a cooler to start off with and still get the 2500k. I may buy a cooler later if I ever need to over clock.

Here is another thing I could do. Based on what you said about gaming not need the BEST CPUs, I could get a GTX 570 and get a i3 2100 or 2120 or 2120T. I don't know what the T is, but it adds to the price $20. Which of these is the best?

Thanks.
 
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I think that if you were considering dropping the i5, you would be better off taking the Phenom II 965 over the i3. Now I know some people like to say that because of some article Tom did months ago that the i3 is better. The truth is, the i3-21xx is a dual core processor. The Phenom II 965 is a quad core. Most games on the market today only use 2 cores, but this is starting to change. There is already a couple games out today that use all 4 cores. Such as Battlefield 3.

I think if you wanted a GTX 570, that would be a great option, but I would pair it with the Phenom II 965 over the i3.
 
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The problem is, pretty much everywhere in oz, has dropped the phenoms and such, and only sell bulldozers. If they did my AMD build would be much better. BTW the website i'm on and buying from is: http://www.pccasegear.com. Remember that I have about $30 postage, and I have a $700 budget in AUS.
 
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Oh I see, you're in Australia. Yea, the Phenom IIs are getting hard to find, Newegg is the only online retailer here in the states that still has black editions left.

That kinda leaves us back to square 1. I really wouldn't take an i3 over an i5. I'd find some way to make the budget work.

Will an i3 do okay? In all rights probably, but I wouldn't want to limit myself to a dual core in 2012.

BTW, I'm not 100 percent sure, but I think the 2120T is a low power variant, you wouldn't want that one.

I'm tempted to say to consider the FX-4170, but the problem is, it isn't a true quad core, so its kinda in the same boat as the i3. The advantage is though that you can overclock those quite considerably.
 
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I have decide to go over budget $30 and get the i5 2400 and the GTX570 here is my build now:
Motherboard: ASUS P8H77-M Motherboard
Ram: G.Skill Ripjaws X F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL (2x4GB) DDR3
CPU: Intel Core i5 2400
GPU: Gainward GeForce GTX 570 1280MB Dual Fan
PSU: Corsair CX-500 V2 Power Supply

How is that? It will cost $724 including postage. I am pretty happy with that, only $24 over budget. What about you?
 
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