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May 4, 2012 9:14:49 PM

Hello people of tomshardware, I'm working on a new build for myself and i was hoping you guys could check it out and give me your replies.

I am on a 900$ budget. I currently have chose these components;

AMD FX-4170 Zambezi 4.2GHz (4.3GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4170FRGUBOX

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


XFX Double D HD-695X-CDFC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


RAIDMAX RX-1000AE 1000W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TXD38192M1600HC9DC-D

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG 22X Super-Multi DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model GH22NS90B - Retail - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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I would like to have a 1TB hard drive, I am not on any certain side for a CPU i just want a reasonably priced one. I would like to dual gpu sometime in my near future if possible when i get the money.

Thanks in advance!

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a b À AMD
May 4, 2012 9:59:05 PM

AMD just does not make sense in this price bracket . An equivalent cost intel sandy bridge quad system will give better gaming performance

But if you are gaming with AMD FX then you have picked the right processor IMO . More than four threads/cores does not help



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May 4, 2012 10:10:00 PM

What intel might you have in mind for my budget? I am open to anything as it is i just want a great gaming experience, will the amd deliver to my needs of playing bf3 at high settings if not ultra?

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May 4, 2012 10:34:08 PM

Do not get that PSU either - many good choices - depending on your future gpu expectations -( Xfire,SLI), if not then 600-650 will be more than enough. Look at Corsair Seasonic.....
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May 4, 2012 10:36:25 PM

I would strongly consider moving towards an Intel Core i3 2100 based system. (I am an AMD fanboi, btw, but I can't help but look at the benches)

Stay away from a Raidmax power supply. Antec, OCZ, Corsair, Seasonic, Cooler Master?, are my suggestions without looking at the list. With that build you need a 550w or 600w PSU.

I would consider a different RAM as well. Something from GSkill, Corsair, Mushkin.

Maybe consider getting a 6870 instead of a 6950. Check out this Tom's article.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-210...

All that saved cash could get you into a 120GB SSD from Intel, Samsung, Crucial, a Vertex4 or a Corsair Performance Pro.
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May 4, 2012 10:49:39 PM

so no raidmax and an i3? ive done some research on the i5 2500k would i be better just saving a little more to buy that for the build and move to a "CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... PSU?
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May 4, 2012 10:55:07 PM

Yes on both accounts. A core i5 2500k will walk the fastest AMD processor available. Even overclocked (owner of a 4ghz 1090t).

The corsair PSU will treat you very nice and is a decent price.
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May 4, 2012 11:15:37 PM

I agree with the i5-2500k suggestions. I use that in my secondary rig and it is a very capable performer at stock (even more so when overclocked). Not to mention that even the i3-2100 is better than both the FX quad core and phenoms.
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May 4, 2012 11:53:24 PM

AMD FX-8150 Zambezi 3.6GHz Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor and Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $300 Combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BIOSTAR TA990FXE AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS - $115 (+ $15 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBXL - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 -$30 (+ $10 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model GH24NS90 - OEM - $18
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You didn't mention if you need a case or not. Please list the components you don't need for the new build.
This build will provide you with the Crossfire capability that you mentioned for later on down the road.

You could also go with an i5-2500K build like others have suggested, but performance will be about the same: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1914/10/
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May 4, 2012 11:56:52 PM

Nah, That Should Stomp Any Game With No Issue, Except... However It Would Be Much Better A Machine If You Went With A X3/X4 Phenom, They Can Still Be Found Cheap And Overclock Like A Champ (Just Check My Specs) And Will Outperform A BD For About The Same Price And Even More When Overclocked To The Max.

Otherwise.... Looks Good :) 

BTW; My Chip Has Been Stable At 4.2GHz At The Same Settings, But That Was Mid-Winter With All My Windows Open, In 8F Weather, With A Box Fan In The Window Nearest To The Machine LOL :p  (I Suspect Being A First-Gen Stepping Prevents It Under Normal Air Cooling From Reaching Its Archetctual Max, With A Peltier Air Combo And A B3 Stepping Would Result In A Stable 4.4GHz (Its Been Reported Alot) Anyway Im Rambling... Get A Phenom And OC The Snot Out Of It!
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May 5, 2012 12:21:12 AM

I'm getting mixed signals here... I am not one to overclock for i leave my computer on all the time and i do not like having it set so it may overheat while I am gone. Why are the Intels do much better than AMD when the AMD is standardly clocked at 4.2 and the Intels are clocked at 3.5?
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a b À AMD
May 5, 2012 12:25:51 AM

there are a lot of people who think the intel i3 is a better processor than the FX 4100 or 4170 . They are wrong . Its based on benchmarks that show the intel producing high fps on low resolution screens when paired with a hugely expensive graphics card . Something that real system builders wont be doing any time soon

Once you build a realistic system the FX smokes the intel pretty much everywhere except some older games [that dont use all four cores available] at stock speeds, and can then be OC'ed to improve performance to win everywhere .


But a dual core system is not the future . Use an intel quadcore . The i5 2400 is possibly the best option . For best range of features use a motherboard with a Z68 or Z 77 chipset . The Asrock is well priced .

The 6950 is a powerful graphics card , but there is a newer generation . The Radeon 7870 is faster . It also cost more
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May 5, 2012 12:31:04 AM

So go the AMD for the cheaper price but go with the 7870? and when i looked up the 7850 it said it required PCI 3.0 any motherboard i see only has 2.0?
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a b À AMD
May 5, 2012 12:36:13 AM

Those cards dont require pci-e 3.0 but they can run at that bandwidth in appropriate motherboards . It wont improve performance because a card like that cant use all the badwidth of pci-e 2.0

Gaming performance , esp at high resolution and details is more about the graphics card , and less about the cpu . Balance how you spend your money so you can get a powerful graphics card .
The 6950 is going to run any game at 1080p
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May 5, 2012 12:42:42 AM

Don't go to i3 if u wanna play bf3 in multipalyer mode...

Got to quad core p2 x4 or i5, or FX-8.... FX-4 will not perform as good as them....
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May 5, 2012 12:49:56 AM

Battlefield 3 is one of the games I plan on playing.... a lot.... this PC is replacing the consoles I have... So I should either go with the 8 core or i5 2500K and the 6950 (spending 350$ on a the 7870 is a little out of the ball field for me I could do the 7850 but I don't know if that may compare to the 6950)
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a b À AMD
May 5, 2012 1:45:08 AM

moonlacedblood said:
Battlefield 3 is one of the games I plan on playing.... a lot.... this PC is replacing the consoles I have... So I should either go with the 8 core or i5 2500K and the 6950 (spending 350$ on a the 7870 is a little out of the ball field for me I could do the 7850 but I don't know if that may compare to the 6950)

if you can afford any intel i5 2xxx cpu then AMD CPU's should be totally out of the question, they arent good for gaming. the 6950 is quite good and will do you well. Get a crossfire capable motherboard and you can add another later.
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May 5, 2012 1:46:06 AM

p2 x4 or x6 is good enough, and i5 is great proc. just keep in mind intel mobo usually pricier than it's amd counterparts...........

For vga seems like nv 6-- mainstream is going to be delayed to q3, so no price will drop at this moment..

this some quote from toms monthly GPU article

"The new Radeon HD 7850 offers performance similar to the Radeon HD 6970 and GeForce GTX 570, but at a much lower $260 price point. "

so go to 7850 ......
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May 5, 2012 2:38:02 AM

I am an AMD user, but the FX series is terrible. In 99% of situations they can't keep up with the Intel offering. Now if we really want to get down to the nit and grit, the FX clocked at 4.2Ghz is not as fast as the Intel at 3.1Ghz because it is not able to complete as many processes per second.

So even though the AMD chip is clocked higher, it still can't get as much done in the same time that the Intel can.

Now you're hearing talk about quad cores vs dual cores. The i3 is a dual core with hyperthreading. That means it has two physical cores that can each run two threads at a time. It's a physical dual core, but a logical quad core.

The FX series uses "modules" what you get is a daul core/quad core hybrid thing. It's not a true quad core, and they'd be better off marketing it as the dual core that it is.
Remember when Windows released updates for Bulldozer processors to make them more efficient, etc. they made windows thread them like they're hyper threaded, because they basically are.

Now, say you disagree with my statements, that's your prerogative. Look at ANY benchmark, gaming, desktop usage, etc. and you'll see the Intels stomping on the AMDs. I want AMD to make a comeback, but this generation isn't worth buying.

If you wanted to use Old tech, you could grab a Phenom II. They are good processors, but the FX chips are actually slower than the Phenom IIs. A core i3 may not be your answer, a core i5 is definitely faster than anything AMD has or has had.

The motherboards are priced about the same, the platform cost difference may be $50.

Seriously read some reviews from Tom's on the FX and Sandy Bridge processors, TechPowerUp, LegitReviews, Anandtech, and make your own decision.

Price it out on Newegg and see what fits your budget.
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May 5, 2012 3:19:22 AM

dannoddd said:
I am an AMD user, but the FX series is terrible. In 99% of situations they can't keep up with the Intel offering. Now if we really want to get down to the nit and grit, the FX clocked at 4.2Ghz is not as fast as the Intel at 3.1Ghz because it is not able to complete as many processes per second.

So even though the AMD chip is clocked higher, it still can't get as much done in the same time that the Intel can.

Now you're hearing talk about quad cores vs dual cores. The i3 is a dual core with hyperthreading. That means it has two physical cores that can each run two threads at a time. It's a physical dual core, but a logical quad core.

The FX series uses "modules" what you get is a daul core/quad core hybrid thing. It's not a true quad core, and they'd be better off marketing it as the dual core that it is.
Remember when Windows released updates for Bulldozer processors to make them more efficient, etc. they made windows thread them like they're hyper threaded, because they basically are.

Now, say you disagree with my statements, that's your prerogative. Look at ANY benchmark, gaming, desktop usage, etc. and you'll see the Intels stomping on the AMDs. I want AMD to make a comeback, but this generation isn't worth buying.

If you wanted to use Old tech, you could grab a Phenom II. They are good processors, but the FX chips are actually slower than the Phenom IIs. A core i3 may not be your answer, a core i5 is definitely faster than anything AMD has or has had.

The motherboards are priced about the same, the platform cost difference may be $50.

Seriously read some reviews from Tom's on the FX and Sandy Bridge processors, TechPowerUp, LegitReviews, Anandtech, and make your own decision.

Price it out on Newegg and see what fits your budget.

I agree with all your comments but one : AMD FX quad core is a true quad core. you would only think that it is a dual core coz it has 2-modules. But be informed that each module has 2-cores, hence 2modules x 2-cores = 4-cores. In fact this is where the FX weakness lies. Since it has cores located in modules, the OS cannot read them correctly, even with the OS patches, it is not good enough, not for now. They need new instructions for that and Microsoft is not shelling out manpower just to remedy that, again, not for now. They are good CPU, in fairness to AMD fast enough, but that they are not just good enough compared to i5 and i7.
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May 5, 2012 3:39:04 AM

Hu hu hu how fast this turn into AMD, Intel wars...........

I think from all post above u already got very good sugestion, now it's your time to decide, the more time u need to decide, the wars will happen....
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May 5, 2012 3:47:43 AM

grendaimos said:
I agree with all your comments but one : AMD FX quad core is a true quad core. you would only think that it is a dual core coz it has 2-modules. But be informed that each module has 2-cores, hence 2modules x 2-cores = 4-cores. In fact this is where the FX weakness lies. Since it has cores located in modules, the OS cannot read them correctly, even with the OS patches, it is not good enough, not for now. They need new instructions for that and Microsoft is not shelling out manpower just to remedy that, again, not for now. They are good CPU, in fairness to AMD fast enough, but that they are not just good enough compared to i5 and i7.


That's not correct either. The AMD FX module has 2 integer cores, coupled with 1 FPU and frontend. The instruction cache is shared, but the data cache is not. So a "quad-core" FX chip, has 4 integer cores, but only 2 FPUs. The issue that's biting AMD here is the low IPC and the long pipeline. Looking at the n-queens problem, the branch-heavy performance is significantly worse than K10 that preceded it. In practice, it performs between a full quad-core (in integer heavy apps) and a dual core (in FP heavy apps). New instructions such as AVX are fully supported in Windows 7 since SP1. The 2 Bulldozer patches did improve performance in thread-light workloads, but by less than 5% in most cases.
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May 5, 2012 4:04:09 AM

Haha I am seeing that. A buddy of mine just said he would sell me his Asrock mobo that has the 1155 socket in it with that saved money and it being intel... looks like Intel wins again. :p  but thanks for all the help from everyone it means a lot to me. my build now consists of;

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 (getting for free from a friend who is upgrading his system)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Double D HD-695X-CDFC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS 24X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler Master RC-912-KKN1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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I feel i should be happy with this from what all of you said i am not making this purchase until monday if anyone has anything else to ass or change please do not hesitate :)  much appreciation is given to all of you guys/gals!!
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May 5, 2012 4:13:01 AM

I like the Sapphire brand. I've owned 2 cards and both have been stellar.
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May 5, 2012 4:16:14 AM

My friends all have Sapphire so i feel as if i can trust them. :)  I am excited! xxDD

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