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Upgrading to ? 2 560TI's SLI or going 570/580 Best Value

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March 1, 2012 11:47:14 AM

Hi

Situation: Got 2 Rigs, the older (mobo 975XBX2, currently running 8800GT) I'm planning on major upgrading later this year (including anther GraphicsCard and mobo going X79)(and maybe the '580 has come somewhat down i price by then).

On the other (I7ex-975,Intel DX58SO,TPQ-1200 EC 1200W,Antec P193) I'm about to upgrade from GTX280 - to ??

I'm considering either to go SLI with one of these 560 TI'models (either 2 GB or -448 1,25GB) - giving me some flexibility and if so, then maybe after upgrading the old rig then trying to OC them

MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II 2GD5/OC (2 GB) DKR 1916,5 $347/£218,5 or
http:/www.computersalg.dk/produkt/845823?varenummer=845823&ut...

MSI N560GTX-448 Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC (1.25 GB) DKR 2151,5 $390/£245
http:/www.computersalg.dk/produkt/671674?varenummer=671674&ut...

- or,

spending the bigger bugs and go for a single one these 570 or 580.

MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC (1.25 GB) DKR 2614,5 $473/£298
http://www.computersalg.dk/produkt/730311?varenummer=73...

MSI N580GTX Lightning Xtreme Edition (3 GB) DKR 4460,- $807/£508,5
http://www.daneit.dk/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:4076995

My question is: What would be the best deal here ??

Due to some time off I really would like to order over the weekend - that's why I'm not waiting for Tom's Best .. of March.

The what'sit'sgonnabe is gonna run FSX, GTA IV (+ V), BF3 in 1920x1080. And don't get an attack over the prices - that's just the lever here.
March 1, 2012 11:57:30 AM

560Ti is rather fantastic and out performs the other 2 cards. I was going to go for it myself but decided to get a 570 and wait for the 6xx series. Then will decide if i am to SLI the 570 or trade it in for a kelper series card
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March 1, 2012 12:32:20 PM

smeg4brainsuk said:
560Ti is rather fantastic and out performs the other 2 cards. I was going to go for it myself but decided to get a 570 and wait for the 6xx series. Then will decide if i am to SLI the 570 or trade it in for a kelper series card


When going SLI, should I go for the 2 GB's or the -448 Cudacores 1,25 GB's ?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 1, 2012 12:43:47 PM

Forget about the GTX 580. The HD7950 is significantly better in a lot of ways and much cheaper on the sites you are linking. For 1080p however I would recommend getting a single GTX 560 Ti 448 and giving it a nice OC. it will handle that resolution very well for a while to come.
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a c 241 U Graphics card
March 1, 2012 1:19:07 PM

The factory OC'd 560's are the best bang for the buck over $200 by a looooong margin. Under $200, the 6870.

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

$ 160.00 6870 (434/701) $ 0.37 - $ 0.46
$ 220.00 6950 (479/751) $ 0.46 - $ 0.59
$ 240.00 6950 Frozr OC (484/759) $ 0.50 - $ 0.63
$ 205.00 560 Ti (455/792) $ 0.45 - $ 0.52
$ 320.00 6970 (526/825) $ 0.61 - $ 0.78
$ 205.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.41 - $ 0.48
$ 340.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.65 - $ 0.78
$ 500.00 580 (616/953) $ 0.81 - $ 1.05
$ 725.00 6990 (762/903) $ 0.95 - $ 1.61
$ 750.00 590 (881/982) $ 0.85 - $ 1.53
$ 450.00 7950 (603/NG*) $ 0.75 - ERR
$ 550.00 7970 (675/NG*) $ 0.81 - ERR

Did not complete test, expected to be resolved in future driver releases.

Twin 900 MHz 560 Ti's get ya 862 fps for as little as $410 or $0.48 per frame.

A 580 gets ya 71% of that performance for 21% more money.
A 7950 gets ya 70 % of that performance for 10% more money.
A 7970 78% of that performance for 34% more money.

Can't see paying more money for less performance. And if ya thinking, well I ca CF / SLI those other cards and get more performance.....it just doesn't hold up. Adding a 2nd 580 for example brings yoru cost to $1,000 bit only gets you a bit over 10% more performance than the 560's ... and that's "outta the box".

The 560-448, keep in mind, it is a limited production run.... the 560-448 are basically 570's (GF110 architecture) that have 1 of the 15 SM's that's not working. Instead of the trash bin, they have found a use for them as 50-448's. Not saying that's a bd thing but will you be able to buy another in oin 3, 6 or whatever months due to the limited production run.

Also be aware that the GF110 architecture, specifically on the 570's has had it's problems with VRM's frying. Factory overclocked models from EVGA (except for Classified) and MSI (Except for Lightning and Hawk) for example, use the reference VRM on their 570's as well as the 560-448's and 560 Ti's.

http://www.overclock.net/t/929152/have-you-killed-a-570...

If getting any factory overclocked card, and you plan on overclocking futher, you are going to wanna make sure that in addition to the bigger coolers which the Twin Frozr's have, you also want to make sure you have the non-reference, beefed up VRM's. Gigabyte, Gainward and Asus for example use a non reference design. The 900 Mhz Gigabyte and Asus models use a 7 phase VRM on the 560's and 8 phase on the 570's. The EVGA and MSI ones were nusing 4 and 6 phases but I haven't checked some of the later models except as previously identified.

Since November, I have been using the Asus TOP models which run between $220 and $230 on newegg. All 12 have easily OC'd over 1000MHz. ,The Gigabyte ones are a bit cheaper, usually running between $205 and $210.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1104/pg19/asus-ge...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
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March 1, 2012 2:48:57 PM

webhiker said:
When going SLI, should I go for the 2 GB's or the -448 Cudacores 1,25 GB's ?


the 448 Ti's are good but i decided it was too close to the 570 in terms of price (£200 for mine on ebay) for what you get. It is better than stock 560's so if you can get a hold of them for a decent deal then go for it
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March 1, 2012 3:14:44 PM

You know with all these people posting, "Get the 7970" "The 7970 is better" well no wonder it's never in stock on Newegg. Cause punks keep buying. Theyl remain out of stock as long as you guys keep tell them thats the best bang for buck. Dude i went GTX 560 ti SLI. I was at first expecting to wait it out for maxwell but after i realized SLi is too much for my FX 6100 (tried overclocking but everything got even more laggy on desktop) so i will be getting a kepler mid range card at launch. And doing Intel my next build. AMD was great but good things only last for a small time
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March 1, 2012 3:42:27 PM

I don't know why everyone just wants to ignore micro stuttering. It's a huge issue that completely negates the goodness inherent in an SLI or crossfire setup. Granted if you don't notice it and your consistency is not important to you, I'm sure youll enjoy the higher average frame rate. But with that quickly changing frame rate you'll notice any time it dips below the sky high peaks achieved with SLI, as the low end of their FPS is very close to just a single card.

This is a lot more important in first person shooters as you want to be getting a consistent performance, but even in a slower paced game like Skyrim you'll notice the harsh swing in the FPS which will make the overall quality seem a bit lower. There was just an article covering how it's almost always a better gaming experience to use one faster card than two cards in SLI or crossfire because of this problem.

An interesting aside is that three way crossfire or SLI virtually eliminate this harsh swing in FPS, but it's not really an affordable solution to the issue at this point in time due to three way capable cards being in such a high price bracket.
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March 1, 2012 3:42:29 PM

Wauw - thanks alot for your time and comments.

Since I've only been building on Nvidia, I haven't really been looking at the 7970 - until now, that is. And actually it looks like I can get a hold of one (MSI Radeon PCI-E HD7970 OC 3GB DDR5) for 95% of the price of 2 560 TI-448's. However even my newest mobo (Intel DX58SO) is a couple' years now, and for what I can see it only supports PCIe 2.0

And just because I'm no superguru on computers I'll just ask anyway - suppose this means that the 7970 will be bottlenecked by my mobo, and that this will favour the 560's - or ?
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March 1, 2012 3:45:37 PM

It will not be bottlenecked by 2.0 unless you try to get two of them(7970) down the line, and even then it probably wouldn't. 3.0 is simply future proofing.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 1, 2012 3:57:55 PM

subcutaneous said:
I don't know why everyone just wants to ignore micro stuttering. It's a huge issue that completely negates the goodness inherent in an SLI or crossfire setup. Granted if you don't notice it and your consistency is not important to you, I'm sure youll enjoy the higher average frame rate. But with that quickly changing frame rate you'll notice any time it dips below the sky high peaks achieved with SLI, as the low end of their FPS is very close to just a single card.

This is a lot more important in first person shooters as you want to be getting a consistent performance, but even in a slower paced game like Skyrim you'll notice the harsh swing in the FPS which will make the overall quality seem a bit lower. There was just an article covering how it's almost always a better gaming experience to use one faster card than two cards in SLI or crossfire because of this problem.

An interesting aside is that three way crossfire or SLI virtually eliminate this harsh swing in FPS, but it's not really an affordable solution to the issue at this point in time due to three way capable cards being in such a high price bracket.

You are severely overstating the issue. These boards would be flooded with people complaining about microstutter if it were a big enough reason to avoid multicard setups but instead it is quite rare.
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a c 664 U Graphics card
March 1, 2012 4:20:44 PM

subcutaneous said:
I don't know why everyone just wants to ignore micro stuttering. It's a huge issue that completely negates the goodness inherent in an SLI or crossfire setup. Granted if you don't notice it and your consistency is not important to you, I'm sure youll enjoy the higher average frame rate. But with that quickly changing frame rate you'll notice any time it dips below the sky high peaks achieved with SLI, as the low end of their FPS is very close to just a single card.

This is a lot more important in first person shooters as you want to be getting a consistent performance, but even in a slower paced game like Skyrim you'll notice the harsh swing in the FPS which will make the overall quality seem a bit lower. There was just an article covering how it's almost always a better gaming experience to use one faster card than two cards in SLI or crossfire because of this problem.

An interesting aside is that three way crossfire or SLI virtually eliminate this harsh swing in FPS, but it's not really an affordable solution to the issue at this point in time due to three way capable cards being in such a high price bracket.

Do you run a SLI system yourself?
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a c 88 U Graphics card
March 1, 2012 7:12:25 PM

Lower end cards are more likely to cause microstuttering , have 560ti SLI myself, my third SLI set up and never experienced microstuttering, don't understand all the drama in this post.
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March 2, 2012 2:17:56 PM

I'm having a hard time deciding on this one.

One XFX 7970 1000MHz is within a couple' bucks of 2 560 TI-448's 750MHz.

If I go for the 7970 I also have to spend a few bucks on a new HDMI since I have 2 screens 1920x1080 on that rig.

On the other hand, since I wrecked each coolerfan on 2 8800GT's (ASUS) in my Antec P193, I'm more concerned about the heat from the 2 560's than possibly microstuttering.

Both solutions is within my budget, so - any thoughts ?
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March 2, 2012 3:11:22 PM

BigMack70 said:
2 560ti 448 core cards in SLI will dominate a 7970 in terms of performance (and I'm thinking of the 7970 clocked @ 1125/1575). If you aren't worried about microstuttering potential, I'd say you should probably pick up two of those - you can always get custom cooled versions to help deal with heat. If your case has good ventilation (i.e., front intake, rear exhaust and one of either a side or top fan) heat shouldn't be a problem.


+1. Don't worry about overheating unless you have a very poor airflow. A side fan would help a fair bit and going for a good branded dual fan Ti (Gigabyte, Asus and MSI all do fantastic ones) will do you a world of good.

Micro stutter is a minor issue with older games and slow driver updates, but nvidia are fairly good with their driver updates atm
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July 15, 2012 2:03:33 PM

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July 15, 2012 2:11:43 PM

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