let me explain something.
965BE can clock to 3.8GHz with just the multi hit, with a voltage tweak I got 4.2GHz but ran it @ 4.0GHz.
at this speed (and in a per clock sense as well) it surpasses the FX-41xx in performance.
IPC, power consumption and latency are all FAILS for the FX-Bulldozer chips.
the older arch Phenom II out performs the newer generation in this circumstance.
^+1 on this. I remember when I had to make this EXACT decision a couple weeks ago between the 4170 and the 965. Vernalizer told me to get the 965 and I did, and I still think it was the better choice. Plus, I used the extra $20 I saved to put towards a graphics card. This was able to get me a 6870 (which is in The mail now) rather than the 6850 I originally intended.
You said you were going to overclock, so why not just save $20, get theFX-4100 and OC that to 4170 speeds? If you're worried about. Oohing than you could put that extra 20 towards a cooler master 212, and use that to OC the 4100...