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August 21, 2012 5:55:30 PM

Hey,
currently i have an fx-8120 and im not quite happy how it performs.

I mostly use my PC for: streaming games with xsplit, playing games (rift, bf3, mc, dota2 etc.), schoolwork, encoding videos in vegas etc.

So im wondering, should i get a 2600k or 3570k ? Im a huge overclocking enthusiast and also I want the cpu to be able to stream HD with xsplit :)  (currently i can do 720p easily with my fx-8120 but my game fps suffers a bit)


Which cpu and mobo should i get for good overclocking ?

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August 21, 2012 5:57:43 PM

2600K would be best for your uses.
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August 21, 2012 6:00:52 PM

I would agree with jay_nar, 2600k seems to be the best option for your needs.

ASRock Extreme4 Z77 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That is my recommendation for a good budget-overclocking board :) 

**EDIT**

On a side note, what GPU are you using? And how fast is your upload speeds (internet)? Streaming HD content is more reliant on your internet :)  so that may be the cause. Also, you may want to consider OC'ing the FX-8120 as you may be able to squeeze more performance out of it!
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August 21, 2012 6:08:18 PM

okay currently i have fx-8120 @ 4.0ghz and an asus directCU 2 top gtx 560.
i can play bf3 at 60fps at all times on med/high settings, but my fps drops a lot when streaming and ive noticed other people with same gpu and intel cpu not dropping fps that much when streaming.

im planning on upgrading to msi pe 670 but i dont know if its worth it, maybe i can pull it off with just a 560 :) 
August 21, 2012 6:08:59 PM

and my internet is 50mb down and 20mb up, that has never been a problem and 720p streaming isnt a problem yet for me aswell, my fps just drops a lot esp. in bf3 which gets disturbing.
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August 21, 2012 6:13:56 PM

Thank you for clearing that up :) 

Also are you playing multiplayer when these FPS dips happen? This may be more CPU oriented in this case, you may want to try pushing your CPU a little bit further if you can.

However, a 2600k+670 would benefit you overall anyway, so this may be of irrelevance :lol: 
August 21, 2012 6:17:03 PM

my cpu cant OC any further than 1.35V and i cant push more than 4.0 on 1.35V
shitty CPU tbh :D 
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August 21, 2012 6:27:58 PM

You can push your CPU to around 1.4-1.45v :)  I would feel comfortable with those volts if you have a decent cooler IMO. With an Intel CPU, I wouldn't want to be near those volts :lol: 
August 21, 2012 6:40:58 PM

i have an hyper 212 evo and if i push 1.4-1.45 volts my cpu goes 80C+ in prime95.
Ive been over this topic a hundred times, cant OC more than 4.0 and ive accepted that cause if i go above 1.35V my temps skyrocket.

Anyways, if xsplit doesent take advantage of hyperthreading, should i go with 2500k ? Also why is 2700k cheaper by 15 euros than a 2600k in my store ?:D 
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August 21, 2012 6:50:33 PM

cheti said:
i have an hyper 212 evo and if i push 1.4-1.45 volts my cpu goes 80C+ in prime95.
Ive been over this topic a hundred times, cant OC more than 4.0 and ive accepted that cause if i go above 1.35V my temps skyrocket.

Anyways, if xsplit doesent take advantage of hyperthreading, should i go with 2500k ? Also why is 2700k cheaper by 15 euros than a 2600k in my store ?:D 


Well the i5 2500K does not have hyperthreading, which for the things you'd be doing is a pretty substantial benefit. But in the grand scheme of things it's still second best.

Not sure why the 2700K would be cheaper in the store where you live, maybe it doesn't come with a heatsink fan or it might be used.
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August 21, 2012 6:50:47 PM

Thank you for clearing that up again :)  With those temps, yeah I would definitely stay away.

However, I'm not too sure why it's cheaper, but it may be due to some sale that's going on. I got my 2700k for $100 USD cheaper than a 2600k :lol: 

Also, i7 vs i5 is totally up to you. From what you said in your first post, you would be using your PC for programs that would utilize HyperThreading (rendering in Vegas). It would certainly make a big difference if you went that route.

This is what I would keep in mind -

1) Price - how much can I get for the 2600k/2700k compared to the i5 2500k/3570k? If the money is within a few pounds, I would definitely go with the i7 over the i5's.

2) Usage - Do I really need the performance of the i7 compared to the i5? Will I really benefit from the extra cost? (This goes back to #1 IMO)
August 21, 2012 7:41:34 PM

well the 2700k is half more expensive (300e) than the 2500k (200e). the most thing ill be doing is gaming and streaming it soo if xsplit uses hyperthreading should i go with the i7 ?

also is 560 is enough for bf3, dota2 etc. or should i go on a 670 ?
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August 21, 2012 7:45:02 PM

What resolution will you be playing your games?

If getting an i7-2700k means you can't upgrade your GPU, then DON'T get the i7 :)  Get the i5 and invest in a better GPU.

I would want AT LEAST a Radeon HD7850 for 1080P BF3 gameplay. The most optimal price/performance would be the GTX660Ti
August 21, 2012 8:28:03 PM

well, my budget is pretty much 1000 euros or so, but i dont WANT to spend all that money if i can get by wit 500 euro :)  I play my games on 1920x1080 :) 
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August 21, 2012 8:36:46 PM

In that case, the GTX660 Ti paired with an Intel Core i5 2500k/3570k may be the most optimal configuration for the amount of money you're wanting to spend :) 

Getting a Motherboard+i5 will cost around ~350-400 Euros I can estimate (give or take, not too sure how the prices are over there). Then the 660Ti costs around ~$300 USD over here, guessing around the same over there.

It cuts close in your budget, but it would be the path I would personally take.
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August 21, 2012 8:51:37 PM

^ OP is in Europe, and $750 for just the CPU, Mobo, and RAM is pretty steep IMO. (not to mention I would want to get at least a Z68 for the features)

Assuming OP has some nice quality RAM already, he just needs a CPU, GPU, and Mobo.
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August 21, 2012 8:59:23 PM

^ There we go ;)  thank you.
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August 21, 2012 9:00:38 PM

:D  :D  :D  :D  :fou:  :D  :D  :D 
August 21, 2012 9:20:45 PM

i will be buying all my parts from www.arvutikeskus.ee :)  google translate it

i already have corsair vengeance 1600mhz ram, soo :) 
August 21, 2012 9:25:43 PM

how does 660ti perform in bf3 ? how much better is it than a 560 ?

should i get the 2700k then ? xsplit takes advantage of hyperthreading, but people have suggested just to push the 2500k/3570k to 4.5ghz and ill be good
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August 21, 2012 9:31:31 PM

The GTX560/560Ti will get CRUSHED by the GTX660Ti in gaming. So I would definitely go for that.

Also, if your budget allows, I would go with a 2700k. It won't provide much benefit in gaming, but it may help with your Vegas Rendering.
August 21, 2012 9:31:41 PM

i will be overclocking everything anyways and 2700k is 15 euros cheaper than 2600k.
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August 21, 2012 9:38:40 PM

cheti said:
well, my budget is pretty much 1000 euros or so, but i dont WANT to spend all that money if i can get by wit 500 euro :)  I play my games on 1920x1080 :) 


A lot of confusion here. I've built hundreds of computers in Canada (I'm a retired electronics technician).

I'd be happy to work with you if you wish, and provide me with a couple good links to online stores (I use NCIX and Newegg here, for example).

The following is an example of what I've recommended to most. I prefer the i5-3570K but if the budget is too low, we might have to drop that to a cheaper CPU to get the best gaming value overall.


1) Motherboard:
1155, Z77 (i.e. Asrock Z77 Extreme 4)

2) CPU:
Intel i5-3570K
(the 2500K for example may seem similar but it generates much more heat. Price is similar. Not going to compare beyond that.)

3) RAM:
8GB 1600MHz is optimal (i.e. 2x4GB modules of G. Skill 1600MHz or similar)

4) Graphics:
Budget will dictate. This will be your gaming bottleneck.
(HD7000 or GTX600 series)

5) Windows 7 Premium 64-bit OEM
(or get the latest Windows 8 and buy when released. I really hate Windows 8 so far though.)

AFTER THIS, it's easier.
- case with front USB3 outputs (Antec has some good ones that are cheap)
- DVD burner
- Power Supply (can be tricky for best value/reliability/noise.)
- SSD/HDD (budget depending. I prefer two drives. My second for storage/Windows Image backups etc.)
- mouse/keyboard/monitor
- XBox 360 game controller
(I use the WIRED version as the wireless USB adapter is prone to failure. I dislike ALL of the other PC game controllers for various reasons).
*If you wish, I can generate a list of games that perform best with an XBox controller.

SUMMARY:
The most critical component is the motherboard. We want a reasonably priced, but recent board. 1155, Z77 hands down. Next, the CPU should be of excellent value. The i5-3570K has no hyper-threading but that's more money and rarely needed. This CPU is far cooler than the previous generation.

Graphics will come down to budget, but it will be your bottleneck for gaming. You want one with a good cooling solution and reliable company (Asus, Gigabyte, MSI for example).
August 21, 2012 9:58:04 PM

Well, just read from the xsplit forums that people had a question in i5 and i7 aswell and regretted going i5 so im going with an i5 here :) 

Also, i already have a case, windows, ram, psu etc. etc. so dont worry about that.

Now, since im going with a 2700k (280 euros) i need a good mobo that can handle overclocking and a good gpu that can handle bf3 and other games while streaming at 60fps+ :) 
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August 21, 2012 10:18:36 PM

cheti said:
Well, just read from the xsplit forums that people had a question in i5 and i7 aswell and regretted going i5 so im going with an i5 here :) 

Also, i already have a case, windows, ram, psu etc. etc. so dont worry about that.

Now, since im going with a 2700k (280 euros) i need a good mobo that can handle overclocking and a good gpu that can handle bf3 and other games while streaming at 60fps+ :) 


Motherboard:
The NCIX Canada site is well organize and has many comments if you wish to peruse it for research (not to buy).
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?minorcatid=107&s...

Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte are my top choices. I'd use the Asrock Z77 Extreme 4 and compare other boards to it for value/features/user reviews.

Graphics:
This simply comes down to your BUDGET. You can easily find benchmarks. I can play BF3 at almost max quality using a GTX680 though it would still look nice on a GTX660Ti or similar HD7000 series.
a) choose budget for card
b) find best card in that class
c) pick a card with a good COOLING SOLUTION

xsplit:
Could you spell out EXACTLY how your HARDWARE is connected here?
August 21, 2012 10:23:19 PM

xsplit is a program that i use to stream my gaming content. it encodes the video, processes it and then its streamed to the internet. my fx-8120 cant keep up with it without losing framerates so im switching to intel that can. i read that i5's will not keep up with it great aswell so hyperthreading will be the best solution here. since IB i7's are expensive im going with a 2700k and 660ti (possibly, its only 333euros for the msi PE one). now looking for a great mobo thats not too expensive and can OC my 2700k to ~4.5 on air :p 

August 22, 2012 12:26:20 AM

Not streaming v1: http://www.upload.ee/image/2615729/notstreaming.png
Streaming v1: http://www.upload.ee/image/2615731/streaming.png
Not streaming v2: http://www.upload.ee/image/2615733/notstreaming2.png
Streaming v2: http://www.upload.ee/image/2615732/streaming2.png

These are some screenshots of the setup.
xsplit is on quality 10, audio bitrate 192k, preset veryfast and bitrate at 2900.
The streams quality is superfine when watched and it has no lagg but the fps drop just annoys me. Do i need a better cpu to stream ? or a better graphics card ? i was thinking of moving from 8120 to 2700k, will that fix the problem ?
August 22, 2012 11:43:26 AM

so umm, anyone ? :D 
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