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March 3, 2012 1:18:41 AM

5870 or 6950? Can't decide after looking at the bench marks.

http://www.hwcompare.com/6107/radeon-hd-6870-vs-radeon-...

MSI 6950 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64182&vpn=R6950%20Twin%20...

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XFX Double http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Is it really worth the extra $65 + taxes + shipping to get the 6950?

My Resolution is at 1680*1050


PC Specs:
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Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit
8GB CORSAIR XMS3 1333MHZ DDR3
750W Corsair TX-2
640GB WD HDD
Asus P5G41T-M LX PLUS


I will NOT cross fire, I only have one PCI E SLOT

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March 3, 2012 1:45:35 AM

Honestly no. Neither are worth it at the moment, if you insist on a 6xxx series and can not wait the most money worth spending is 160 on a 6870, the difference in price doesn't really seem worth it for 15% more performance.
If you can wait for the 7870 it will better these cards and use less power.
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March 3, 2012 1:52:11 AM

Okay. But will the 7870 be PCI EXPRESS 2.1 or 2.0? My motherboard will not support PCI EXPRESS 3.XXXX
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March 3, 2012 2:06:10 AM

So your saying I can plug in one of those PCI express 3.0 cards into my 2.0 slot?
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March 3, 2012 2:16:08 AM

Anyone have an approximate of when the 7870 will be released
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a b U Graphics card
March 3, 2012 2:29:49 AM

what's your budget?
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March 3, 2012 2:39:40 AM

From what I've read, and I have extensively, the 6870 is a fantastic mid-range card. I'm on a 5770 and was going to go with the Sapphire 6870 until I got a bit more cash.

I found that the 6950 is a much better deal, and even better than the 560 ti. I don't know about if you pit them together at stock settings, but on some of the 6950's, you can unlock them to a 6970, which is almost $100 more. So if you go that route, you can essentially pick up a 6970 for around $250 instead of $350.

If you still cannot decide, check out Youtube videos. I always watch gameplay footage to see if I am satisfied with the framerate.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 3, 2012 2:43:50 AM

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6950 is $20 more expensive than the 560ti but also the 6950 is a bit faster even when both are OCed or at stock. 6950 and 560ti are great cards but in no way is the 560ti a significantly better card.

Actually the GTX 560 Ti is faster when overclocked and the performance difference is tiny at reference speeds. I never said it was a significantly better card, I said it was a significantly better deal.
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March 3, 2012 2:51:21 AM

justash420 said:
From what I've read, and I have extensively, the 6870 is a fantastic mid-range card. I'm on a 5770 and was going to go with the Sapphire 6870 until I got a bit more cash.

I found that the 6950 is a much better deal, and even better than the 560 ti. I don't know about if you pit them together at stock settings, but on some of the 6950's, you can unlock them to a 6970, which is almost $100 more. So if you go that route, you can essentially pick up a 6970 for around $250 instead of $350.

If you still cannot decide, check out Youtube videos. I always watch gameplay footage to see if I am satisfied with the framerate.

At this point pretty much none of the HD6950s reliably unlock. It isn't a good deal compared to either the HD6870 or the GTX 560 Ti at current prices.
Why do you think youtube would be a good method to discern frame rates? What frame rate do you think the videos on youtube are?
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March 3, 2012 3:22:54 AM

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560ti is alright but is not better than an OCed 6950 no matter how much of a mantra Nvidia sings.

While the two cards can generally overclock similar amounts the performance of the current Nvidia architecture tends to scale better with increased clock speeds. I don't believe the OP plans to OC though so the topic isn't really relevant to this thread.
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March 3, 2012 3:36:40 AM

The XFX Double D 6870 is awesome. Put one in a build for my friend with a 2500k and it shreds. Fantastic value, runs cool, runs quiet. Runs Skyrim maxed at 1080p, same for MW3 (anything can do that. :p )
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March 3, 2012 3:47:19 AM

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Myth Nvidia OC better than Radeon my GTX 275 Super Clocked does no OC at all not even a little bit.

Cards vary in the amount they can OC. The GTX 560 Ti happens to overclock quite well generally. I have no Nvidia bias if that is what you are suggesting. The GTX 560 Ti simply offers a better price/performance ratio than the HD6950, overclocked or not.
Last gen the HD5850 was outstanding in terms of overclockability. The GTX 460 was quite good as well but not quite on the same level. As for your "Super Clocked" GTX 275, it obviously came already overclocked but anyway it isn't even the same architecture as the current Nvidia cards and isn't remotely relevant.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 3, 2012 4:02:00 AM

As I said they overclock similar amounts but the actual performance(which is what matters) of the current Nvidia architecture scales better with increased clock speed. It is not faster when both cards are given a typical overclock.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 3, 2012 4:09:46 AM

What are you basing that statement on?
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March 3, 2012 4:44:56 AM

jyjjy said:
As I said they overclock similar amounts but the actual performance(which is what matters) of the current Nvidia architecture scales better with increased clock speed. It is not faster when both cards are given a typical overclock.


I'm not sure what actually is best, but from everything I seen, they scale about the same...the part where people get the idea that the Nvidia card scales better is because the mistakenly look at 100mhz to 100mhz of increase. Remember, the 6950 starts at a higher clock, so 100mhz is a smaller percent increase unless you are looking at the super clocked 560ti's. In which case, it goes the other way. They both seem to scale even by percentage.
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March 3, 2012 5:40:50 AM

bystander said:
I'm not sure what actually is best, but from everything I seen, they scale about the same...the part where people get the idea that the Nvidia card scales better is because the mistakenly look at 100mhz to 100mhz of increase. Remember, the 6950 starts at a higher clock, so 100mhz is a smaller percent increase unless you are looking at the super clocked 560ti's. In which case, it goes the other way. They both seem to scale even by percentage.

The reference speed of the HD6950(800mhz) is actually lower than the GTX 560 Ti(823mhz.)
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March 3, 2012 5:42:04 AM

I agree with jyjjy the 560 ti is the better option.
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March 3, 2012 5:46:17 AM

jyjjy said:
The reference speed of the HD6950(800mhz) is actually lower than the GTX 560 Ti(823mhz.)


I was mistaken on the reference, but when people started that Nvidia scales better idea, they were looking at 460's and 470's and the lot. If you actually look at the increases in power, it's basically just a percentage increase, and both brands seem to increase by the same percent by all the accounts I have seen.
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March 3, 2012 6:01:00 AM

Here is an interesting review that compares a bunch of games and benchmarks at stock and overclocked settings. This actually seemed to make the 6950 look like it scaled better if anything, of course I didn't go through with a calculator, they definitely did not go easy on either card with top clocks of 1023 with the 560ti and 965 with the 6950, and the 6950 got better boosts in performance for the most part.

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/asus_hd_6950_re...
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March 3, 2012 6:26:59 AM

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I don't think the fan boys like that site very much LOL. Dam that article makes me want a 6950 now LOL.


The 6950 is more expensive that a 560 ti. It's like comparing the 6770 and the 6850. Good luck getting a 6950 they are almost all out of stock.
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March 3, 2012 6:39:46 AM

That's the thing: it is refurbished, which means no warranty. I don't think that's a good idea. If it is for a gaming build, you certainly don't want a refurbished gpu. On newegg, they are all sold out almost; however, you could get it on amazon, but they have gpus at a higher price than newegg.
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March 3, 2012 6:40:32 AM

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What are you talking they have lots of stock in 6950 and ncix has a referb Msi TFII for $217 LOL. But in all honesty I don't mind paying a bit more for a faster card but @ $209 the 560ti is very enticing but I just do not play a whole lot of nvidia TWIMTBP games and I run with Physx off all the time.


@newegg they are all out of stock . http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
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March 9, 2012 10:55:13 PM

Best answer selected by imtiax.
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