FX-4100 vs. Phenom II X4 965 BE

[Premeena]

Hello,
I am going to buy a new computer. It'll be a low budget.
But i've been stuck on a CPU choice.
FX-4100 or Phenom II X4 965 BE? (I'll be overclocking)
I can't find any other thread newer than some months, and i've heard there was patches to fix FX perfomance.
It will be used primary on gaming.
So, what you think?
It's the FX perfomance "fixed" nowadays?

P.S. Phenom II X4 965 BE is the only one in shops right now.

 

[monu_08]

Hello,
I am going to buy a new computer. It'll be a low budget.
But i've been stuck on a CPU choice.
FX-4100 or Phenom II X4 965 BE? (I'll be overclocking)
I can't find any other thread newer than some months, and i've heard there was patches to fix FX perfomance.
It will be used primary on gaming.
So, what you think?
It's the FX perfomance "fixed" nowadays?

P.S. Phenom II X4 965 BE is the only one in shops right now.

they botha re same but the x4 965be is 5 % faster then fx 4100 but i would go with new generation am3+ cpu later u can upgrade the processor i would grab an asus m5a970 with fx 4100mobo for a happy gaming

 

[mohit9206]

the fx-4100 is actually a decent little performer contrary to what many believe.. it cannot touch intel's processors but its very good for normal gaming.. though am not sure how much an fx-4100 can be overclocked .. certainly not more than what a phenom 1 is capable of ?

 

[Premeena]

It's that motherboard better than MSI 970A-G46?

 

[monu_08]

the almost same but i would go with asus because msi product sucks i have an experience it poor service center and after rma still mobo have issue but i change it to asus is rock solid always ahead again msi sucks in graphic card also they said they use top military class components in amaking gpu totally fake my friend have gtx 570 twin frozer 3 after a weak poor picture quality + one of the fans not working still i want to say dont buy msi product

 

[Premeena]

I won't buy an msi gpu.
Maybe it's better, but they haven't it in shop which in i'll be buying it...

 

[monu_08]

if i m u i would go for fx 4100 and asus 970 mobo its still comparable to 990fx just only 990fx have 2 more pcie x16 slot but still asus 970 mobo rock and combined with 4 gb ram corsair 1600 mhz

 

[Premeena]

but fx-4100 is more expensive and maybe lower perfomance so idk

 

[Premeena]

And heard some "modules" thing at FX, that it's not true quadcore.
That's true?

 

[godlyhank]

Yes its true, the fx 4100 esp in gaming is considerably worse than the 965 BE,tried fx4100 went back to my phenom ii as it is better, for instance skyrim i got as low as 24 fps at 1920x1080 where as the phenom ii was at 35 fps... both stock, so the difference can be extreme

 

[Premeena]

So, the Phenom is better?
1:1 now

 

[whatsthatnoise]

I'd go with the 965 BE.

And yes the FX 4100 is 2 cores/2 threads, while the 965 has 4 physical cores.

 

[whooleo]

I have the 965 BE and all I can say is that I don't regret buying it. It overclocks well and is faster clock per clock than the FX-4xxx and it works in AM3+ mobos so if you wanted to upgrade you could.

 

[Dangi]

Do you plan to make it last ??
'cause you can get a AM3+ board with a 965 BE and in a not so distant future change it to a new AMD CPU, Piledriver is supposed to launch in october 8XXX series and 4XXX in december.

Or you can wait 4 month to see if piledriver is worth, and also expect to find 4100 cheaper but this shouldn't be your primary objective

 

[dkcomputer]

I have a 965BE. I bought a g620 for an office computer, for giggles I put my 580 on the $50 motherboard and ran my own benchmarks on metro2033, sc2, WoW, LoL, D3, AOEO, AVP, Dirt2, Napoleon Total War, Shogun2 total war. The $70 intel low end processor with stock heatsink on a $50 biostar board beat out my 965BE OC on a $180 Asus mobo with the same ram sticks and same crucial m4 128g ssd. The only game the 965 did better on was dirt2.

I'd get intel. I don't plan to because I don't have a need currently, but I'm sure I will when the next gen of intel comes out. I owned 20k in AMD stock which is now worth about $2k, and I've exclusively had AMD for the past 12 years. This will be my first swap for my everyday computer.

Of course my top-end computer I keep up for sale (and to show I know what I'm doing to clients) has been intel for a while, but it stays powered off unless someones interested and has about $15k to spare I've gone through 4 of those in the past 5 years.

 

[viridiancrystal]

the FX 4100 is a quad core. It is two "modules" which each consist of two cores, but they share an FPU. Some may call it a 2core/4thread, but it is DEFINITELY not 2 threads.

Between the two, the 965 is the better option, overclocking or not.

 

[Premeena]

I don't want Intel, because i want 4 cores for multitasking, newer games etc.
Intell i3-2100 is more expensive, and i couldn't afford 7770 with that.

 

[SniperNoSnipeee]

Idmsay to definitely get the 965. It is a great quad core chip that I. Running I'm my computer right now. I would night recommend an asus m5a97 mobo. If you plan of cross firing, I'd go with the m5a99x.

The only reason I'd go with the 4100 is if you are really into oc'ing. It will probably OC ever and you could probably get it up to 4.4 or so with sufficient cooling.

 

[dkcomputer]

I understand wanting 4 cores for multitasking. In my bench on sc2, and both total wars, I ran AVP and metro2033 minimized in the background, to see if pegging 2 cores on the 965 would give it better performance than the g620. It doesn't.

Coming from a longtime AMD fanboy who actually owns stock in the company - get a cheap intel, it outperforms, runs way cooler, uses less power. Like I said, dirt2 was the only game the 965 did better in. And if you want performance for new FPS games, the pentium will destroy the 965.

You can buy a 965 if you have the perception that a quadcore is better for multitasking, amd did a great job marketing that and thats when they lost the lead - the core2duo onward has dominated by a significant amount.

But if you buy needing a quadcore for multitasking, AMD's marketing department is doing a good job, and hopefully my stock shares will go up.

 

[Premeena]

Phenom it's better i think...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-4.html

 

[whooleo]

The Phenom II is a better choice than the Pentium simply because quad cores will and are already starting to become a necessity for games. By the way, the Pentium does not out perform the Phenom II (when OCed) in most dual threaded games, they actually end up trading blows with the Pentium winning in games probably optimized for SSE4 and the Phenom II winning in others. As far as good multi-threaded games (3+ threads), the Phenom II wins hands down and that gap will only get larger as time goes on.

 

[Smeg45]

Sadly, the 965 is EOL so get it while you can. I personally will not upgrade my 965 for at least another year. Its a very solid option. Clock it up to 3.8GHz and up the Northbridge to around 2400MHz+ and you'll eliminate most bottlenecks.

 

[Premeena]

965 is the only phenom that's still in the store.
So I'll be buying it.
Thank You.

 

[sarinaide]

I'd go with the 965 BE.

And yes the FX 4100 is 2 cores/2 threads, while the 965 has 4 physical cores.

Crap its a quad core and is marketed by AMD as one. It doesn't perform like a 2C/2T processor either in fact in many production suites it out muscles the i3, due to the problems with sharing cache space and ALU's along with deep piplines it doesn't perform like other quad cores.

 

[monu_08]

still fx 4100 rocks