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May 8, 2012 3:09:34 AM

Hey all, I was just wondering if you could tell me if this build is compatible with each other and if the PSU is enough. Also, if you want, you could give me alternatives to my chosen parts with better ones for the same price. I have the keyboard, mouse and the display.

I need Canadian sites please or sites that ship to Canada without additional cost.

Gigabyte Radeon HD 6850- $147.07
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=5822 [...] omoid=1018

AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE- $139.98
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=4628 [...] omoid=1018

G. Skill F3-12800 CL9D- $31.90
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=4274 [...] omoid=1018

With shipping and taxes: $314.37

Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3- $129.99
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicat [...] CatId=7247

Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Internal- $89.99
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicat [...] CatId=3636

With shipping and taxes: $259.39

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB- $99.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6822148697

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W - $119.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6817139005

With shipping and taxes: $259.93

Case: Antec LanBoy Air Yellow- $200
http://www.xoxide.com/antec-lanboyair-yellow.html

Total: $1033.69

Thanks guys!!

P.S- I'll be buying GTA 5 when it comes out for PC, I play the Sims 3, probably going to buy more PC games like BF3, something that requires a good PC. There's gonna be no overclocking.
May 8, 2012 3:28:22 AM

Darth Maul said:
Hey all, I was just wondering if you could tell me if this build is compatible with each other and if the PSU is enough. Also, if you want, you could give me alternatives to my chosen parts with better ones for the same price. I have the keyboard, mouse and the display.

I need Canadian sites please or sites that ship to Canada without additional cost.

Gigabyte Radeon HD 6850- $147.07
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=5822 [...] omoid=1018

AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE- $139.98
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=4628 [...] omoid=1018

G. Skill F3-12800 CL9D- $31.90
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=4274 [...] omoid=1018

With shipping and taxes: $314.37

Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3- $129.99
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicat [...] CatId=7247

Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Internal- $89.99
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicat [...] CatId=3636

With shipping and taxes: $259.39

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB- $99.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6822148697

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series CMPSU-650TX 650W - $119.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Produ [...] 6817139005

With shipping and taxes: $259.93

Case: Antec LanBoy Air Yellow- $200
http://www.xoxide.com/antec-lanboyair-yellow.html

Total: $1033.69

Thanks guys!!

P.S- I'll be buying GTA 5 when it comes out for PC, I play the Sims 3, probably going to buy more PC games like BF3, something that requires a good PC. There's gonna be no overclocking.


Could you change your CPU to i5 2500k
May 8, 2012 3:30:28 AM

thats stretching it a bit. Is it that much of a difference for 100?
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May 8, 2012 3:54:09 AM

Simply put, yes.
May 8, 2012 3:57:12 AM

Yes an i5 2500k is good for gaming and over clocking and if price is a problem go for the bulldogzer
May 8, 2012 4:52:01 AM

aznshinobi said:
Bulldozer is even worse than the old Stars platform (AM3). Worse efficiency, after overclocks consumes way too much power, in gaming it fails to compete with Intel.

Check out my $850 build here:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
Use this website to buy parts.
http://www.directcanada.com/

But it has a good name in the market for its gaming capabilities and yes you are right it consumes high power but he can't afford an i5 2500k I guess that's why I recommended an bulldogzer
May 8, 2012 3:13:01 PM

Does the X4 965 work with intel mobo or cpu?
May 8, 2012 3:23:22 PM

no it does not

i would rather go an i3 sandy bridge than go with a amd currently you would get much more performance but you just cant OC it
May 8, 2012 3:25:57 PM

i'm gonna fork out the extra 100 for i5 2500k. It'll help me in the long run.
May 8, 2012 3:42:19 PM

If you aren't overclocking there is no reason to get the 2500k over the 2500.
May 8, 2012 3:45:12 PM

What I would recommend doing is changing your case from :
Antec LanBoy Air Yellow- $200

To:
Any reasonable $100 case (I have a Cooler Master HAF 922 and it's great for airflow and was $90). That would give you the $100 in your budget to upgrade to the i5 2500K, which (as pointed out above) is well worth the price.

Not sure where in Canada you are located, but I also recommend checking out:
www.canadacomputers.com
They are in Canada (as the name suggests), they price match, and have quite a few warehouses that you can go to (no shipping cost if you pick it up).
May 8, 2012 3:54:49 PM

ok thanks for the advice. So I'll just get the i5 2500. Also, I like my case and so I don't have to buy extra fans and with the mesh and the HDD storage is pretty cool and good for noise reduction.
May 8, 2012 5:23:16 PM


Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude?

If you are going to spend another $100, buy the HIS Radeon HD 7850

It will scream with a PhII 965BE

May 8, 2012 6:09:49 PM

Wisecracker said:
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuude?

If you are going to spend another $100, buy the HIS Radeon HD 7850

It will scream with a PhII 965BE


To the point that it will be bottlenecked by the 965, yes.
May 8, 2012 7:03:33 PM


You've failed. Miserably.

A PhII965BE will not bottleneck a Radeon HD7850 (even with a 20% OC)


May 8, 2012 11:28:52 PM

Wisecracker said:
You've failed. Miserably.

A PhII965BE will not bottleneck a Radeon HD7850 (even with a 20% OC)


Please. Before you slander someone at least have some information to back yourself up first.



Granted, that was benchmarked with GTX 680, a notch higher than 7970. But 7870 isn't that far off. The FPS on Intel processors are not going to drop by 40 when you swap the 7870 into the same system.



This was done with a 6950. Which, given the generation leap, is comparable roughly to 7870. See what's happening to Bulldozer there? Resolution changes don't affect the FPS - a classic sign of CPU bottleneck.
May 8, 2012 11:56:18 PM

Seriously though Darth, check out my $850 build, it'll give you WAY more performance for the buck especially using the website I recommended.
May 9, 2012 12:01:50 AM

Refer to my sig. If you're using the Phenom, buff up the graphics.
May 9, 2012 1:54:12 AM

Ya, that's what I am using as a reference. Thanks for that.
May 9, 2012 1:57:21 AM

Yeah, I'm not trying to boast my build or anything, but I just suggest that you go with Intel. You'll get MUCH better performance as opposed to the AMD chips, even if the old AM3 chips (Phenoms) are slightly better than Bulldozer in gaming.
May 9, 2012 11:32:22 AM

eddieroolz said:
Please. Before you slander someone at least have some information to back yourself up first.

...



Nice cherry-picking. I doubt the OP will be overly concerned about Starcraft at 113 FPS.

You mean back-up information like this? On a game the OP specified?



I notice you have avoided the crux of the argument -- the HD6850 against the HD7850:



In BF3 the HD7850 performs generally in line with the HD6950. Or do you want to argue about that, too?

The bottom line: It's the still the video card in the overwhelming majority of games.

Would you like me to point out the advantages of power consumption, compute performance, Zero-Core, and what amounts to a built-in 20% OC in the HD7850?

I understand the OP is not interested in OC'ing, but it's nice to know the extra top-end is there, huh?





May 9, 2012 1:38:37 PM

Wisecracker said:
Nice cherry-picking. I doubt the OP will be overly concerned about Starcraft at 113 FPS.

You mean back-up information like this? On a game the OP specified?


Nice cherry picking to you too. Hope yours are ripe.

You do realize that BF3 was one of the games chosen by AMD to make Bulldozer look good right?

Given a limited graphics card (even a GTX 580 at time of BF3's release) the game becomes GPU-bound...so that chart is simply the result of an excessive load on the GPU. Now I don't know where you took that chart from, but I'm betting it's the Bulldozer release article.

Wisecracker said:

I notice you have avoided the crux of the argument -- the HD6850 against the HD7850


Secondly, I am not discussing only about the 6850. If you notice I replied directly to your post regarding a 7850. Not sure why the 6850 was brought into this.


Either way though, the repeated verdicts from Tom's articles suggest that AMD processors do in fact bottleneck many modern cards to varying degree. The higher tier, the more pronounced (obviously).

How else do you think the recommended CPU for the money for every price category is dominated by Intel? It's because on the $100-$200 low end AMD can only offer FX-4100 and FX-6100 which is outperformed consistently by an i3-2100; on the $200 and up high end AMD can only offer the FX-8120/8150 which is beat senseless by i5-2500K.

Here's just one example of a guy that was happy after upgrading to a 2500K.

Wisecracker said:
n BF3 the HD7850 performs generally in line with the HD6950. Or do you want to argue about that, too?


Given a CPU bottleneck and sufficiently high detail/resolution, yes. Just go look at the Bulldozer launch article. A good example of Chris Angelini's brilliant writing can be found here:

Quote:
Crysis 2, our first-person shooter, is indicative of the most visually-engaging GPU-bound titles currently compelling gamers to spend lots of cash on multi-card CrossFire and SLI setups.


Yes, I know it says Crysis 2. However the same holds for BF3 - and that's why AMD so strongly referenced BF3 in their Bulldozer launch.
May 9, 2012 3:49:09 PM

its still kinda sad how intel just dominates amd. now there isnt even going to be much of a competition between them as amd stated that they will just focus more on prebuilt laptops and such.
May 9, 2012 8:18:11 PM

Well the thing is that AMD's color scheme is black and red, and everyone knows that color, not CPU or GPU performance, is what TRULY decides frame rates.
May 9, 2012 9:31:34 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.90 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Biostar TZ77XE3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($137.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Hard Drive: Mushkin Chronos 90GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS70 OEM DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1237.35
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-05-09 17:31 EDT-0400)
May 9, 2012 10:07:10 PM

Take the build I just posted and remove the OS
May 10, 2012 1:50:00 AM

UVB, Canadian prices are more expensive.

May 10, 2012 2:21:10 AM


I can't believe how ADD some of you guys are :sleep: 

Mr OP ?

The PhII 965BE/HD7850 is greater than the i5 2500k/HD6850.

If you are going to spend another $100, put it into your GPU.




May 10, 2012 7:58:08 PM

Wisecracker said:
I can't believe how ADD some of you guys are :sleep: 

Mr OP ?

The PhII 965BE/HD7850 is greater than the i5 2500k/HD6850.

If you are going to spend another $100, put it into your GPU.

And i5-3570K/HD7870 > PhII 965BE/HD7850
May 10, 2012 11:28:36 PM

And i3-2120 + 7850 is even better.
May 11, 2012 12:10:35 AM

So we've essentially established that Intel is the way to go in order to eliminate bottlenecks.
May 11, 2012 6:31:10 PM


You haven't established anything :lol: 

Other than raising his budget, and ignoring his residency in Canada.

I didn't realize they had MicroCenters.

:D 




May 14, 2012 10:24:18 PM

Wisecracker said:
You haven't established anything :lol: 

Other than raising his budget, and ignoring his residency in Canada.

I didn't realize they had MicroCenters.

:D 

orly?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.79 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V LK ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($148.49 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.99 @ NCIX)
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.79 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 2GB Video Card ($338.94 @ DirectCanada)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($68.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Antec 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($88.88 @ Canada Computers)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7260S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($19.88 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1111.74
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-05-14 18:23 EDT-0400)

i5-3570K, best CPU that is reasonable affordable, outperforms Phenom II X4 by a lot.
Noctua D14, best air cooler you can get in Canada, also very quiet.
Asus P8Z77-V LK, cheapest 2-way SLI capable Z77 motherboard in Canada, Asus is a reputable brand.
Crucial Ballistix Sport, good RAM that is affordable, fits under Noctua cooler.
Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB, it works, that's all I can really say.
Sapphire Radeon HD 7870, Sapphire is a reputable brand, dual fans, overclocked card.
BitFenix Shinobi Window, has a LOT of nice features.
Antec TP750 Blue, modular, 750W, SLI support and 80+ Bronze.
Random optical drive, optical drives don't matter, I don't suggest getting one.
May 15, 2012 12:02:11 AM

D14 = Fitting issues, also it's uneeded.
TP750 is not modular. It is "partially" modular at best. There's only one or two cables that are actually modular on it. I purchased it before thinking that it was modular. Lied too. He really doesn't even need that PSU, AMD says that for the 7850 and 7870 in CF only need a 650w.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4597/amd_radeon_hd_78...
May 15, 2012 12:56:21 AM

aznshinobi said:
D14 = Fitting issues, also it's uneeded.
TP750 is not modular. It is "partially" modular at best. There's only one or two cables that are actually modular on it. I purchased it before thinking that it was modular. Lied too. He really doesn't even need that PSU, AMD says that for the 7850 and 7870 in CF only need a 650w.
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4597/amd_radeon_hd_78...

It fits, and O/C headroom?
May 15, 2012 1:07:51 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.79 @ DirectCanada)
CPU Cooler: Corsair CAFA50 61.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: Biostar TZ77XE3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg Canada)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.99 @ NCIX)
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.79 @ DirectCanada)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Memory Express)
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($68.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 600W ATX12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Canada Computers)
Optical Drive: Sony AD-7260S-0B DVD/CD Writer ($19.88 @ Canada Computers)
Total: $1075.40
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-05-14 21:07 EDT-0400)
How about this?
May 15, 2012 1:13:25 AM

O/C headroom is debateable as I have a Zalman Performa ($27) and I can pretty much push my i5 2500K to 5.1ghz which is the max for air, or it should be. So... Yeah.

I do agree more with the CAFA50, perhaps the A70.
May 15, 2012 1:43:06 AM

The switch from 7870 to 670 ate up quite a bit of the budget D:
May 15, 2012 2:19:57 AM

It's whatever, the 7870 after max overclock (which is easy) gets pretty close to the 470.
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