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May 8, 2012 12:51:16 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: June 1, 2012
Budget Range: approx $2000
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Internet, Spreadsheets, Video Rendering, Photoshop
Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg, TigerDirect
Country: Michigan, USA
Parts Preferences: Intel Ivy Bridge CPU, ASUS Mobo, Mid-Tower case
Overclocking: Maybe – not important
SLI or Crossfire: No
Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050
Additional Comments:

Current system is a 4-yr old (July 2008) system based on the following:
CPU – Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 @2.66GHz
MoBo – EVGA 132-CK-NF78 (with NVIDIA chipset and Southbridge)
Memory – 8 GB DDR2 G. Skill PC2-6400
Graphics – NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT
Storage – 2 - 500GB HDs in RAID 0 configuration
Optical – Sony DVD RW DRU-190A

I want to upgrade to 256 GB SSD for main storage and two 1TB HDs for video encoding storage, so I want 4 SATA 6GB/s ports on the Mobo as well as USB 3.0. Here are my thoughts:
CPU – Intel i7-3770K
Mobo – ASUS P8Z77-V Deluxe
Memory – 16 GB G.Skill F3-17600CL9Q-16GBXLD (16 GB), DDR3-2200
CPU Cooler – Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1
Video Card – EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB 1GB
Case – CoolerMaster HAF XM
Power Supply - Corsair Pro Series HX750 CMPSU-750HX
SSD – Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F240GBGT-BK 240 GB SATA III, MLC
HDs – 2x Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000 HDS723020BLA642 2TB 7300 RPM SATA 6.0
Optical – Lite-On 24x DVD Writer iHAS424-98
Extras – Card Reader and TV Viewer
OS - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
Right now total is $2116.85 at NewEgg
https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...

Any thoughts on components? Main worries are the SSD and memory. I don’t want to overspend on a video card. Thanks in advance for the advice.
May 8, 2012 3:12:06 PM

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$2000 for INTERNET and SPREADSHEETS? ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You could literally build two gaming computers for that much money. How much rendering/photoshop do you really do? Anyway, here's what I would go with:

CPU: IB i7-2600k equivalent (your selected one)
CPU Cooler: Hyper 212 Evo
Mobo: ASUS Sabertooth Z77
Memory: 16GB DDR3-1600 2x8GB CAS9 1.5v or lower RAM.. Anything higher than 1600 doesn't really do anything and isn't really worth it.
GPU: MSI Hawk 6870
Case: Yours is fine... I guess... I'd go with a Corsair 400R (or even higher in their line)
PSU: I'd go with a PC Power and Cooling 750 W Silver rated PSU
SSD: I'd go with a Crucial M4
HDD: I hope it's 7200rpm... not 7300. Seems okay.
Optical: I'd go for an ASUS. Just pick one.
Extras: Do you need both? Just checking

I think that's about it. Also, $2000 is WAY too much of a budget for this. Are you going to be overclocking? You should. However, you're not going to be needing it, especially since you're gaming. You're not gaming at all? If not, you may even want to go AMD... they have better rendering times. I think a good budget for this build would be $800. The parts I suggested are pretty high-end (except for the GPU).
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May 8, 2012 4:04:43 PM

Get a cheaper motherboard. There's nothing the Sabertooth has to offer (besides a higher maximum overclock, probably, but that doesn't matter) that you can't get from the $140 ASRock Z77 Extreme4.
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May 8, 2012 6:49:53 PM

That's true... but since he wanted to spend that much, I thought he'd want the best components. Maybe an Extreme6 to make sure you're okay on all bases.
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May 8, 2012 7:18:08 PM

Agree with all the above except if you're not OCing or getting a big video card, even a 750W is too much. Maybe 600W tops (stick with a quality supply as listed above).
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May 8, 2012 8:02:10 PM

I'd do 750 because 1) the one I suggested is the lowest-wattage silver rated PSU at that company (reliable and cheap) and 2) SLI/Crossfire in the future. If he wants it. however, a 600W or 650W is fine.
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May 8, 2012 8:11:51 PM

I don't really see SLI in the future for this non-gaming build, so it might as well be 500W.
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May 8, 2012 8:45:36 PM

Meh... 550W to allow for aging, etc.
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May 8, 2012 8:57:59 PM

As the others have said, $2000 is way overkill for this build. Here is a comparable build in performance for a lot less, and you could even trim the price by lowering the graphics card (to this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...) or the motherboard. If you could do without the space, the SSD could be trimmed down to a 128GB, saving another $130. If that promo code on the Seasonic PSU expires before you buy, use this Seasonic instead http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... as it will be just fine instead.

Here is the build, and it will do exactly what your $2000+ build did for a lot less...

LG DVD Burner Black http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$17.99

Fractal Design Arc Midi Black http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$99.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM x2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?
$219.98
($109.99 each)

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$169.99

SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$139.99
-$40.00 EMCNENB53 Discount from Promo Code

ADATA Premier Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$105.99

MSI Z77A-G45 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$149.99

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-256G 2.5" 256GB SATA III http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$279.99

Subtotal: $1,188.90
+ about $350 for the i7 3770k (which is out of stock at newegg and amazon)
total: $1538.90

edit: add $100 for the OS, which I forgot. As an alternative to the i7 3770K, stick in a 2600k, the sandy bridge to ivy bridge difference isn't that great, and save another $50.
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May 8, 2012 8:58:21 PM

Yeah - it might seem like overkill - to render a 1 hour video seems to take a long time (hours) to render and then to burn is more hours. Right now it seems to be computationally and disk limited. I thought about the 2600K, but for $310 vs $350 for Ivy Bridge, with additional cooperation between the chip video and the graphics card, it seemed better to go up a step. What does the Sabertooth provide that the V-Deluxe doesn't? The CPU, mobo, memory and cooler run around $750 alone. The SSD and 2 HDs run another $500. Case, PS and Graphics card run another $500 - I thought I was doing good by limiting the graphics card to $250. My old system was SLI ready but I never used more than the single graphics card, so the poster is right, no SLI. Anyway good advice so far.
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May 8, 2012 9:06:11 PM

I wanted all the drives to be 6 GB/s connections - that forced me to go up almost a $100 in mobo cost to get 4 ports. The MSI Z77 only has 2 6 Gb/s connections, the rest are 3 Gb/s. The same was true with the lower ASUS boards. But maybe that would be a small price to pay
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May 8, 2012 9:13:19 PM

ASRock Z77 Extreme4 has 4 x SATA3 for about $140.

It also has 4 x USB on the back panel and a header for USB 3 on the front of the case.
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May 8, 2012 9:17:23 PM

kajabla said:
Get a cheaper motherboard. There's nothing the Sabertooth has to offer (besides a higher maximum overclock, probably, but that doesn't matter) that you can't get from the $140 ASRock Z77 Extreme4.


This is a key area where you are over spending. Higher end motherboards are geared toward very high over-clocking and multi-GPU setups, which is not your focus. While-overclocking will certainly help your rendering a whole lot, going for the absolute max overclock is not the purpose of you build.

Getting a more inexpensive motherboard will save you money and not limit what you are trying to do with your build. Another area where are spending too much is your PSU. You just don't need that much power, and a 550W to 650W PSU will cover your power needs more than adequately, even with overclocking. 1600 memory will more than cover your needs, and cost a lot less.

Case is personal preference to a large extent, but spending a ton on an expensive gaming case doesn't make sense for you because you don't need the massive airflow. Your system, compared to what those cases are geared for, will be pretty modest, and and with that much rendering, something quiet will probably be appreciated in the long run, and can be cheaper to get.

I get the idea of spending money to get a good system for what you need, but a lot of where your spending is going isn't going to help performance wise. That's where we are trying to help. Hopefully we are...

Edit: The AsRock Extreme4 would be a great alternative to get your 4x Sata3. It is a very good board. Mechanical drives don't even saturate a Sata2 port though....
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May 8, 2012 9:19:33 PM

True that. Forgot about the case. Fractal Define R3 maybe for some quietness?
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May 8, 2012 9:30:55 PM

The problem with the R3 is Newegg's shipping, which is ridiculous. The R3 is a great case, and I would have recommended it if the black one wasn't $23 dollars in shipping. The Titanium color one ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ) is only $10 more with shipping that then Midi I recommended, so that could be an option.

The Antec p280 is similar to the R3, but not as good in my opinion. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 8, 2012 9:45:47 PM

his original setup was nice, but I would tone down on the mobo but still has what he is looking for x4 sata3, there are some mobo which has those at the 100-160 dollar bracket.

for ssd I would look into samsung or crucial m4 they should also have those bigger size. even a gtx550ti is good for his needs. if he ever needed cuda, btw there is a fanless something on seasonic x series those at 460w or something not sure,

but hey i7 3770k is not overkill for his needs, I have a i7 3930k with dual gtx580 lightning extreme edition with asus x79 rampage ex as my htpc and games on it whenever my friends come over. it's about what he can spend and if he is willing to pay premium for nice scraps.

asrock extreme4 is nice but i like the asrock extreme6 (just because of the mobo look)

the haf x is a good choice just because he won't be doing this and that doesn't mean it's not a good choice, it's the box he will be sleeping with for years after all. like when your getting a wife.I got my i3 2120 on a cosmos II looks nice on the outside but when people look inside they go "meh"

g.skill ripjaws Z 16gb 4x4gb 1600mhz cl9 so far has been good to me and a couple of my 1155 based system too. but also got those ripjaws X and Ares which are good.

and seeing the TS doesn't seem like he is looking for the bang for his buck but more likely the best his money (2000$) can buy, unless TS would correct me on that. but of course we should give him the alternate route which can give him the best his money can buy(doesn't mean this has to be expensive can even go for 900 or something)

for hdd I'd go with samsung f3 ro seagate 1tb/2tb 7200.12

go bluray since it's awesome and most likely you will have extra cash for it due to what you want isn't exactly that much in the price tag.

oh yeah go 550w and most likely if it's built your pc should run flawlessly for many years to come so long as you don't do anything uber
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May 8, 2012 11:03:51 PM

Very nice comments. I need to think about what you guys have said. It looks like I could save some $ via mobo/mem/case/drives/PS - leaving CPU and cooler and graphics card as the places where I spend money. If video rendering/burning is the hangup maybe I should spend money there (software/hardware) rather than on the computer per se. Thanks for all your advice.
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May 9, 2012 2:43:17 AM

Best answer selected by edvalens.
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