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May 8, 2012 8:22:03 PM

Hello, i want to build a pc that will run all games on a mix of medium and high settings on 1440x900 res (will lower the res to 1024x768 if i need to)

Im looking at the A8-3870K APU. If i overclock it to around 3.5GHz and the IGP to around 850-900MHz then i think it will be enough to run games on those settings.
Other spec would be: 8gb of 1866MHz ram Muskhin Redline (i read in some benchmarks that IGP works best with 1866MHz ram)
Gigabyte GA-A75M-D2H
Seaonic 500W PSU
500gb Seagate Barracuda HDD
I will probably get an HD 6570 to pair with IGP in Dual graphics mode later on.
Also how much of Vram does the the IGP HD 6550D have? I can't seem to find that info around the web.
My other build i tought of is HD 4850 with an G840 CPU, some cheap H61 mobo and 8gb 1600 Mhz RAM with the same HDD and PSU.

Any sugestions???

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May 8, 2012 8:39:07 PM

$450 is a very tight budget. What parts do you already have? Do you have a legal copy of Windows?
A Pentium G840 + HD6670 will outperform the AMD system in games, and will use less power and create less heat doing it.
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May 8, 2012 8:42:46 PM

I like the HD 6570. I had the Sapphire version and had no problem OCing to 825mhz and 1050mhz, where it is faster than a stock HD 6670.
May 8, 2012 8:48:02 PM

I would go with the I3-2120 and a cheap h61 mobo. Look at this list.

I3-2120 with dvd burner $124
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler master elite 430 $44 (before $10 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital 500 gb hard drive with dvd burner (included) $79
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Gskill ripjaws 8 gb at 1066 MHz (I know, but it has 7 timings so it slightly faster than 1333 at 9) $39
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Biostar H61 mobo $49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair builder series 600w $69 ($59 with mir)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

xfx 6770 $109 ($89 after mir)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is $483 dollars after mirs, but you could sell the second dvd drive for at least $20, bringing you to budget
May 8, 2012 8:52:17 PM

parts that i already have are monitor, k&m, OS, Case and CD/DVD ROM.

@jtt283 HD 6670 is 35$ more expensive than hd 6670. Isnt the HD 4850 faster than HD 6670?

I m planing on overclocking gpu and cpu if i go the amd route.I will also add an HD 6570 for hybrid crossfire if i go with A8 3870K.
May 8, 2012 9:24:22 PM

6770 is but 6670 isn't
May 8, 2012 10:18:20 PM

The HD6670 is a little slower than a HD4850.
A 380W Antec Earthwatts would be sufficient for that build, and costs less and is a little more efficient than the Corsair. It can handle up to a HD6850 or HD7850.

May 8, 2012 11:59:36 PM

It may only use that much now, but if you upgrade it would be nice to have some room. Also, psu's are more efficient at 1/3 to 2/3 load. Also you need to make sure you have enough amps on the 12 volt rail(s). You also need certain connectors to plug your stuff into.
May 9, 2012 4:24:20 PM

Here is a budget build for you:
Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLS2KIT2G3D1609DS1S00 - $28
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X2 560 Black Edition Callisto 3.3GHz Socket AM3 80W Dual-Core Desktop Processor HDZ560WFGMBOX - $95
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler - $30 (plus $10 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI 970A-G46 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS and CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply (Combo) - $145 (plus $10 rebate)

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX HD-677X-ZNLC Radeon HD 6770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - $110 (plus $20 rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: ~$488 (not counting shipping or factoring in $40 rebates)

This build has a lot of hidden "extras". These Phenom II X2 can be unlocked to 4 cores (not guaranteed though). The AM3+ board will allow upgrade to Piledriver. This board also has Crossfire/SLI capability, so another upgrade path. The 600W will be able to handle just about any upgrade down the road.

Going with an i3 build is also an option, but I don't believe an i3 build will offer these many upgrade options for the same price.
May 9, 2012 10:19:13 PM

As someone who has built more AMD than Intel systems over the past few years, I was a little surprised to read in recent articles that there is no longer a price point where Intel does not outperform AMD in games; but the numbers don't lie. I would suggest an i3 build. AMD used to have chipset advantages also, but even that has been lost, with even some low-end H61 boards offering SATA 6Gb/s and USB 3.0.
May 9, 2012 11:14:58 PM

jtt283 is right with the possible exception of Pentium vs Phenom II. Maui67, the I3 mobo I suggested has almost all the features of your amd mobo for $100 less.
May 10, 2012 12:42:33 AM

Pentium vs. Phenom II isn't in the same price bracket though. Pentium beats Athlon II, and i3/i5 beats [stock] Phenom II; in games. If you overclock the PII to get near or equal (if even possible), you use LOTS more power and generate a lot more heat. If you're also multitasking a lot, using other applications, in your place I'd probably still choose PII over i3, but certainly not over i5.
May 10, 2012 4:18:11 PM

adgjlsfhk said:
jtt283 is right with the possible exception of Pentium vs Phenom II. Maui67, the I3 mobo I suggested has almost all the features of your amd mobo for $100 less.


You are correct, it matches almost all of the features except:
No crossfire/sli capability
only 2 memory slots
Memory up to 1333MHZ instead of 2133MHz
SATA II instead of SATA III
USB 2 instead of USB 3
VIA 6 channel sound instead of Realtek 8 channel sound

And the mobo I suggested is a combo deal WITH a PSU which is why it was $100 more than yours.

This one would be at the same price point as your suggestion and it STILL has a few more features:
BIOSTAR A960G+ AM3+ AMD 760G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

May 10, 2012 7:34:19 PM

I3 motherboards can support up to 2133 MHz ram, you just have to overclock. Also you don't need more than 8 gb ram for gaming and this mobo supports up to 16. Also that is not a $100 psu. It costs $59 at newegg.
May 10, 2012 10:37:42 PM

frozonic, there are a few problems with your build.
1, an I3-2100 is not as fast as an I3-2120. 2, H77 motherboards give you no advantage with sandy bridge.
3, 8 gigabytes of ram is suggested for gaming.
4, if you get an I3-2120 it comes with a dvd burner.
5, green series hard drives are 30-40% slower and use more power.
6, a 6770 is faster than a 7770.
7, a 600w power supply is better than a 430w power supply for expansion.
8, Cooler Master's elite 430 is $15 cheaper and is also better.
9, if you don't overclock, which you can't with an I3, a stock cooler is fine.
10, this build is $100 above the budget.
May 10, 2012 10:58:38 PM

1: true. 2: true, but allows for expansion. 3: Meh. 8GB is nice, but 4GB is enough. 4: nice deal. 5: slower yes, less power, FALSE (that's supposedly what makes them "green"). 6: false; I believe you are thinking of the hd6850. 7: true, but only if relevant. 8: FALSE, and also would be supporting a dishonest business. 9: true. 10: Absolutely true. A budget may have some wiggle room, but 20% seems highly unlikely.
May 10, 2012 11:25:55 PM

It doesn't matter how much more performance he can get for money he doesn't have in his budget. Are you a Congressman?
May 10, 2012 11:33:46 PM

Seagate no longer makes "green" drives for this reason. They are called "Green" because they spin at 5400 rpm instead of 7200 rpm. This means that when they are reading or writing data, they stay active for longer because they are not as fast.
The 6770 is faster than the 7750. However I would recommend the 6790.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
Why is coolermaster dishonest? They make incredible cases, good power supplies, and good coolers.
May 10, 2012 11:46:22 PM

Quote:
1) there is something called, OVERCLOCK, wich allows you to get the same performance from a cheap cpu than a more expensive cpu. You can easily oc a i3 2100 to match the performance of a i3 2120
2)H77 allow you to use higher speed ram and its newer technology so its better.
3)Thats is absolutly false, the reason everyone is buying 8gb kits is because they are VEEERY CHEAP, only 50$ for a 1600mhz kit, but this person budget is tight so you need to concentrate in the parts that are important
4) maybe, so?
5) they are called GREEN SERIES FOR SOMETHING, they use LESS power and they are not THAT slow, only a bit, and renember that the op budget is tight, so we will have to fit the parts we CAN rather than the parts we WANT
6)what were you smoking when you typed that?
7) again...so? he can buy another PSU down the road if he needs it, right now he doesnt have a lot of money and it should be spent wisely, so no "future proffing" for this guy, at least for the psu
8)what the hell are you talking about? that piece of crap has less than 70% of eficiency and cooler master psu are not very good
9)OH MY GOD,YOU JUST DISCOVERD AMERICA! an aftermarket is not needed for stock frequencies or very low overclocking but lower temperatures are NEVER bad, and i am sure the OP will like to do a mid-high overclock, to atleast 3.8Ghz, and the cooler master 212 will be less noisy because the fan wont need to spin very fast because of the better thermal disipation capabilities of the heatskin
10)OMG, you should be the next president, you are so smart, how did you figure that my build was 100$ over the budget? maybe because i said it?... we will never know :( 

Get your damn facts straight if you are going to post things like that, i am usually very friendly to NOOBS like you, but posting fake information that might confuse the person asking for an advice is just wrong, go a look for more information about PC hardware and then comeback.


There is also something called a locked multiplier on I3 processors that keeps you from overclocking. I3's can't overclock so I'm pretty sure that he won't be doing a "medium high overclock" Your argument for a green series hard drive would be better if it was cheaper or if by using it you stayed withing budget. "the op's budget is tight, but $100 is nothing" I am pretty sure that the cooler master CASE I suggested does not have less than 70% efficiency BECAUSE IT IS NOT A POWER SUPPLY. There is an argument for the 7770, but it is not speed. The argument is that it uses less power.
May 11, 2012 12:40:44 AM

adgjlsfhk said:
...The 6770 is faster than the 7750. However I would recommend the 6790.

Faster than the HD7750 yes, but you said HD7770 above; ok, typo gets a frown but a pass...

adgjlsfhk said:
Why is coolermaster dishonest? They make incredible cases, good power supplies, and good coolers.

Reviews of many of their PSUs at HardwareSecrets found them to be overrated, and/or claiming protection circuits that are missing. The latter in particular isn't a mere exaggeration, but a bald-faced LIE. The GX450 was ok there. Most of their PSUs (other than the very top end) are terrible. HardOCP summarized the GX650 as a "polished turd in a box." So no, CM does NOT make good power supplies, and furthermore they lie about many of them.
Almost every CM case I ever bought had minor, mostly fixable quality issues. I've given up on them because of it; no Rosewill case (even the cheapest ones) had ANY of those problems. Now I realize many people like their cases, and their coolers. My remarks really weren't about quality, but about dishonesty. They could make some excellent products, but I won't touch them because I don't care to support a dishonest business.

Quote:
1) there is something called, OVERCLOCK, wich allows you to get the same performance from a cheap cpu than a more expensive cpu. You can easily oc a i3 2100 to match the performance of a i3 2120
2)H77 allow you to use higher speed ram and its newer technology so its better.
3)Thats is absolutly false, the reason everyone is buying 8gb kits is because they are VEEERY CHEAP, only 50$ for a 1600mhz kit, but this person budget is tight so you need to concentrate in the parts that are important
4) maybe, so?
5) they are called GREEN SERIES FOR SOMETHING, they use LESS power and they are not THAT slow, only a bit, and renember that the op budget is tight, so we will have to fit the parts we CAN rather than the parts we WANT
6)what were you smoking when you typed that?
7) again...so? he can buy another PSU down the road if he needs it, right now he doesnt have a lot of money and it should be spent wisely, so no "future proffing" for this guy, at least for the psu
8)what the hell are you talking about? that piece of crap has less than 70% of eficiency and cooler master psu are not very good
9)OH MY GOD,YOU JUST DISCOVERD AMERICA! an aftermarket is not needed for stock frequencies or very low overclocking but lower temperatures are NEVER bad, and i am sure the OP will like to do a mid-high overclock, to atleast 3.8Ghz, and the cooler master 212 will be less noisy because the fan wont need to spin very fast because of the better thermal disipation capabilities of the heatskin
10)OMG, you should be the next president, you are so smart, how did you figure that my build was 100$ over the budget? maybe because i said it?... we will never know :( 

Get your damn facts straight if you are going to post things like that, i am usually very friendly to NOOBS like you, but posting fake information that might confuse the person asking for an advice is just wrong, go a look for more information about PC hardware and then comeback.


1: No, not with a locked multiplier. You shot your credibility's right foot off with that one.
2: Indifferent. Let the budget decide.
3: 4GB of RAM is enough in a budget build.
4: So let it pass.
5: They are notably slower, especially in actual use. Specific benchmarks in which they are [near] equal are in no way representative of actual use. I'm all for using less power (I have a pair of LP drives in my RAID-1), but the system drive should not be LP or "green" or performance WILL suffer.
6: I suspect it was a typo; he probably meant HD7750.
7: Let the budget decide, but if a definite upgrade is planned, it will cost less in the long run to get the larger PSU now. Still, a 430W Earthwatts can run a HD7850.
8. Puff puff pass? Reference was to the case, not the PSU. No one suggested a CM PSU.
9. Overclocking is off the table with a locked i3. See #1. At stock, the i3 runs very cool; stock is fine. Intel coolers are also pretty darn quiet; AMD makes the noisy ones.
10. Settle down please.
May 11, 2012 1:01:58 AM

jtt283, was right, I did means the 7750 not the 7770. As soon as you said that I realized the problem.
May 11, 2012 1:16:12 AM

You could only adjust the FSB in Intel's first line of I3's you can no longer do it. Also the I3-2120 is $5 more than the I3-2100, not $30. Second, the reason I suggested the I3-2120 is that it comes with a free dvd player, not the clock rates.
May 11, 2012 1:17:42 AM

Also, we fooled you because you searched the wrong thing and got a different result? Even then, I said "look at this CASE", I thought that was pretty clear.
May 11, 2012 2:50:07 AM

Rosewill FBM-01 with Code: EMCNENF26 = $23.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER GX 450W + Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX Combo = $107.98 + $2.99 shipping - $10 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Intel Core i3-2120 + LG DVD Burner 24X Combo = $ 132.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GIGABYTE GV-R677D5-1GD Radeon HD 6770 = $114.99 -$30 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BIOSTAR H61MGC LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX = $49.99 - $5 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB with code: EMCNEJN45 = $35.69
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total with shipping = $468.52 - $45 MIR = $423.52

You can always go with the ASRock H61M-DGS for PCIe 3.0 support and faster ram speeds if you ever upgrade to ivy bridge down the line for $16.98 more
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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anyways op.... if an extra 100$ is too much for you then get this:
DIY Kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I...
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


You are just full of bad advice. The combo saves a whole $20 and has overpriced/underpowered components.
May 11, 2012 10:09:56 AM

^Other than the CM PSU, nice digging on those deals. I think the ASRock is definitely worthwhile over the Biostar. I had 2/3 cheap Biostar boards fail, but no ASRock deaths.
May 11, 2012 11:09:45 AM

You do not need a combo to get a dvd drive with the I3-2120. It comes with one.
May 11, 2012 3:46:40 PM

adgjlsfhk said:
You do not need a combo to get a dvd drive with the I3-2120. It comes with one.


Can you provide a link to this deal?
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