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An old friend, an 86 year old former WWII B-24 bomber pilot took my
brother and I to the air yesterday. With my camera and my 80-200 f/2.8
lens in hand, I was the passenger in the back seat of a Grumman Tiger
which was purchased in 1980.
It was a courtesy flight in a low wing aircraft and the entrace/exit was
a sliding canopy. There were no windows which I could open. I would
normally prefer the front seat I think, but the right seat went to a
passenger with flight experience.
Per the preference of the pilot, we took off at 8:00 a.m. The air is
cooler in the morning which means the engine performs better. Living a
distance away, I arose at 5:30 a.m. Knowing that I am prone to motion
sickness I had taken some bonine along the way.
After the preflight checks, we taxied down and took off from a small
unmanned airport. At first I didn't know if I'd find best use out of my
28-75mm lens or 80-200mm. Soon enough I settled on my 80-200, and not
too soon because you cover ground rather quickly and you need to be
ready straight away.
Having studied in advance, I tried not to bounce off the window. The
windows are curved plexiglas.
If you must shoot through the window try to keep yourself on the shadow
side of the plane. It's even better if you can have the pilot pitch the
plane so as to put your window into the shade of the plane. This
yielded the least visual interference in my photos.
We did slow down and roll back the canopy when I was over my favorite
farm. Of course you know it will be windy, but wow it's *very* windy!
I had one pass in which to get that shot. The wind is not very bad if
the canopy is back only a few inches, but I was in the back so it had to
go all the way back. This unleashes wind almighty. (The propeller is
right in front of us) I lined up through a small gap of air behind the
passenger and in front of the canopy and rattled off pics about as
quickly as I could. I nailed a few and missed a few due to moving
around. I stowed my glasses for this and there was so much wind, it was
hard to keep my eye open while sighting the photos.
I might have tried manual focus set to infinity, but from experience I
know that I always bang into the focus ring and goof it up.
From what I had studied, I decided to use 1000/sec shutter speed. Using
shutter priority, this put my aperture usually around f/3.5 at ISO 200.
In doing so, I gave up the sharpness I may have had at f/9 or f/11, but
there are so many factors trying to motion blur your photo in the first
place, I can't imagine anything else working. (Vibration, plane turns,
turbulence) We flew on a sunny beautiful July morning so the air
couldn't have been much better.
The windows did start to steam up in the back and thought I was doomed.
Luckily, the pilot opened the vent.
I had better results when shooting through the closer window rather than
the farther window. I sat on the right, and got better results through
the right side windows. With the left window being farther from the
lens, the interference seems to be a bit closer to being in focus.
In-camera light meters usually assume that the sky is in the top portion
of your photo. That isn't the case when looking down at the ground, so
expose accordingly.
In order to look good, all of my photos needed more than the average
post processing. The left side of the histogram was always left empty
and I brought up the levels in every case (the right side didn't clip).
I clipped off a left portion in each circumstance which didn't change
the photo balance overall, it made the colors richer. Closer
observation revealed it was only the red channel that I was clipping. I
made other adjustments as per my preferences. Bumped up the saturation
a little bit and most every shot looked better with some degree of
unsharp masking applied. This brings out the vegetation and structure
lines.
The more I looked downward, the more even were my photos. The more I
looked toward the horizon, the more gradient existed, which after
editing yielded a blue effect at the top of the frame. I still makes a
neat shot, but it is different than normal. This is much more prevalent
if I am shooting through a window which is sunward lit.
If you've got a pilot with patience that is a big asset. I was just
along for the ride, so didn't have the ability to assert anything very
strongly. If I had it to do again, I'd try to circle a property twice.
Once a complete wider circle without banking much, and then a 2nd
tighter and closer circle. In my case, we were going around once and I
had to get what I could. If I were paying for a ride, I'd have the
pilot go around again, or slowly fly by in a direction that I wanted,
always favoring my view.
I high wing craft may be easier. This plane has the wing underneath the
passengers, so the pilot needs to bank, or else you look forward or
backward for your shot. The ultimate would probably be as others have
said, get a harness, tether yourself in, and sit in a doorway looking
out the side. I think you'd need your aviation goggles for this.
The pilot, who knew our parents as little kids, would not accept any
compensation for the likely $25 in fuel that was burned in 45 minutes.
Instead, I snapped a few portraits of him sitting in his plane and
talking. I'm going to print off a few 4x6 and probably a good 5x7 and
mail them along with my letter of thanks.
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On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:32:50 GMT, Ryan <quakeserver149@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>An old friend, an 86 year old former WWII B-24 bomber pilot took my
>brother and I to the air yesterday. With my camera and my 80-200 f/2.8
>lens in hand, I was the passenger in the back seat of a Grumman Tiger
>which was purchased in 1980.
>
>It was a courtesy flight in a low wing aircraft and the entrace/exit was
>a sliding canopy. There were no windows which I could open. I would
>normally prefer the front seat I think, but the right seat went to a
>passenger with flight experience.
>
>Per the preference of the pilot, we took off at 8:00 a.m. The air is
>cooler in the morning which means the engine performs better. Living a
>distance away, I arose at 5:30 a.m. Knowing that I am prone to motion
>sickness I had taken some bonine along the way.
>
>After the preflight checks, we taxied down and took off from a small
>unmanned airport. At first I didn't know if I'd find best use out of my
>28-75mm lens or 80-200mm. Soon enough I settled on my 80-200, and not
>too soon because you cover ground rather quickly and you need to be
>ready straight away.
>
>Having studied in advance, I tried not to bounce off the window. The
>windows are curved plexiglas.
>
>If you must shoot through the window try to keep yourself on the shadow
>side of the plane. It's even better if you can have the pilot pitch the
>plane so as to put your window into the shade of the plane. This
>yielded the least visual interference in my photos.
>
>We did slow down and roll back the canopy when I was over my favorite
>farm. Of course you know it will be windy, but wow it's *very* windy!
>I had one pass in which to get that shot. The wind is not very bad if
>the canopy is back only a few inches, but I was in the back so it had to
>go all the way back. This unleashes wind almighty. (The propeller is
>right in front of us) I lined up through a small gap of air behind the
>passenger and in front of the canopy and rattled off pics about as
>quickly as I could. I nailed a few and missed a few due to moving
>around. I stowed my glasses for this and there was so much wind, it was
>hard to keep my eye open while sighting the photos.
>
>I might have tried manual focus set to infinity, but from experience I
>know that I always bang into the focus ring and goof it up.
>
>From what I had studied, I decided to use 1000/sec shutter speed. Using
>shutter priority, this put my aperture usually around f/3.5 at ISO 200.
>In doing so, I gave up the sharpness I may have had at f/9 or f/11, but
>there are so many factors trying to motion blur your photo in the first
>place, I can't imagine anything else working. (Vibration, plane turns,
>turbulence) We flew on a sunny beautiful July morning so the air
>couldn't have been much better.
>
>The windows did start to steam up in the back and thought I was doomed.
>Luckily, the pilot opened the vent.
>
>I had better results when shooting through the closer window rather than
>the farther window. I sat on the right, and got better results through
>the right side windows. With the left window being farther from the
>lens, the interference seems to be a bit closer to being in focus.
>
>In-camera light meters usually assume that the sky is in the top portion
>of your photo. That isn't the case when looking down at the ground, so
>expose accordingly.
>
>In order to look good, all of my photos needed more than the average
>post processing. The left side of the histogram was always left empty
>and I brought up the levels in every case (the right side didn't clip).
>I clipped off a left portion in each circumstance which didn't change
>the photo balance overall, it made the colors richer. Closer
>observation revealed it was only the red channel that I was clipping. I
>made other adjustments as per my preferences. Bumped up the saturation
>a little bit and most every shot looked better with some degree of
>unsharp masking applied. This brings out the vegetation and structure
>lines.
>
>The more I looked downward, the more even were my photos. The more I
>looked toward the horizon, the more gradient existed, which after
>editing yielded a blue effect at the top of the frame. I still makes a
>neat shot, but it is different than normal. This is much more prevalent
>if I am shooting through a window which is sunward lit.
>
>If you've got a pilot with patience that is a big asset. I was just
>along for the ride, so didn't have the ability to assert anything very
>strongly. If I had it to do again, I'd try to circle a property twice.
>Once a complete wider circle without banking much, and then a 2nd
>tighter and closer circle. In my case, we were going around once and I
>had to get what I could. If I were paying for a ride, I'd have the
>pilot go around again, or slowly fly by in a direction that I wanted,
>always favoring my view.
>
>I high wing craft may be easier. This plane has the wing underneath the
>passengers, so the pilot needs to bank, or else you look forward or
>backward for your shot. The ultimate would probably be as others have
>said, get a harness, tether yourself in, and sit in a doorway looking
>out the side. I think you'd need your aviation goggles for this.
>
>The pilot, who knew our parents as little kids, would not accept any
>compensation for the likely $25 in fuel that was burned in 45 minutes.
>Instead, I snapped a few portraits of him sitting in his plane and
>talking. I'm going to print off a few 4x6 and probably a good 5x7 and
>mail them along with my letter of thanks.
Thanks for all the great tips. I have been wondering how to best do
this.
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