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May 12, 2012 1:58:41 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next month

Budget Range: $600 - $800 & +/- $25 (Before rebates)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, hosting MC server, video/movie playing, web surfing, schoolwork

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor (maybe), speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon or Newegg if you can (other sites can work too)

Country: US

Parts Preferences: Really prefer Intel CPU but everything else can have whatever brand (as long as they’re compatible obviously)

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: No

Monitor Resolution: 1366x768 (Using a Sharp LC22SB27UT 22-Inch LCD HDTV at the moment)

Additional Comments: Doesn’t need to have a lot of bling, preferably a somewhat quiet PC would be nice. I may want to do some video recording and editing in the future. If the consent of advice is that a different monitor is needed I can bump the budget up to about $900 but that’s really my limit if I have to add a new tv/monitor.
Any help on picking the best parts I can get within the budget would be much appreciated for a first time builder like me.

*Edit: I got confused until a few posts in, I meant before rebates for my budget, not after, so sorry about that.

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May 12, 2012 3:28:07 AM

Here you go:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86A5
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86A5/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86A5/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.27 @ Compuvest)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($72.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($227.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: OCZ 600W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($48.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.97 @ Newegg)
Total: $728.60
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-05-11 23:42 EDT-0400)

I'm usually more of an nVidia fan, but it's hard to pass up the amazing deal on that 7850. The i3-2120 should be fine for gaming and won't bottleneck the 7850, but if you feel that you need more power you can get an i5-2500k for about $75 more.

If you want a monitor you can get something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 12, 2012 4:07:53 AM

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.65 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($147.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $ GPU:SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870( $159.99@ Newegg)

Case: COOLER MASTER Elite 430 ($44.99@ Newegg)

comes out to around $795: if you wanted to go with the i3 the rig Ironslice put together is solid though and better for gaming than mine
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May 12, 2012 4:17:34 AM

Ironslice said:
Here you go:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86A5
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86A5/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/86A5/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.27 @ Compuvest)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($72.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($227.55 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: OCZ 600W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($48.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.97 @ Newegg)
Total: $728.60
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-05-11 23:42 EDT-0400)

I'm usually more of an nVidia fan, but it's hard to pass up the amazing deal on that 7850. The i3-2120 should be fine for gaming and won't bottleneck the 7850, but if you feel that you need more power you can get an i5-2500k for about $75 more.

If you want a monitor you can get something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I see that build actually working pretty well, just a few questions.
- Is it worth upgrading to i5 2500k? I hear getting quad-cores is a good idea for the future but other than that (and overclocking is supposedly easier) I don't know much other difference.
- Also would "Corsair Vengeance 8 GB ( 2 x 4 GB ) DDR3 1600" RAMs work on the Mobo and build in case I can't find some G.Skills? (Here they are @ Amazon)
- Lastly, if I do upgrade to i5 2500k and change different makers RAM, does my PSU need to upgrade as well or can this all fit on 600W?
Sorry I ask a lot of questions, I'm just getting into DIY for PCs and am still learning. Much appreciated.
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May 12, 2012 4:40:21 AM

No problem asking questions :)  That's what this forum is for.

Upgrading to the i5-2500k is obviously going to be better. The more you spend on your computer the better it is going to be. However, for gaming the i3-2120 is more than enough, since games use the GPU a lot more than the CPU. Unless you are doing some severe 3D image rendering than the i3 will serve you well. The i5-2500K is made for overclocking, so it will definitely overclock better, but again, you don't necessarily need it

The Corsair RAM will most likely work with the mobo. It's pretty rare to see RAM that doesn't work with mobo's these days; I just picked the one I did because it is officially supported by the ASRock Extreme3 Gen3. You can check on their official site to see which ones that mobo supports.

I would recommend buying from Newegg as they generally have a lot better prices than Amazon and their customer service is used to helping people out with all of the problems they may experience when building a computer.

All of the parts that I listed can be found on Newegg so you don't have to worry about not finding one.
For example, here is the RAM that I listed: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Regarding the PSU, a 450W will probably not run the HD 7850; which is why I included a 600W. If you do end up going with that 600W then you will be fine with whatever you choose to do. The i5-2500k only uses about 30W more than the i3-2120.

If you have any more questions feel free to ask. You definitely don't want to have doubts when spending $800-900.
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May 12, 2012 2:08:44 PM

bigcyco1 said:
If i was you i save a little more it be totally worth it http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...


Obviously a larger budget nets you some nice things, it's simply just I don't have the cash to warrant an extra $200 into my budget and still pay for my living necessities that I'll need. Hence why I still have to stick to at max $800.


bigcyco1 said:
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($233.65 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($147.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 620W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $ GPU:SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870( $159.99@ Newegg)

Case: COOLER MASTER Elite 430 ($44.99@ Newegg)

comes out to around $795: if you wanted to go with the i3 the rig Ironslice put together is solid though and better for gaming than mine


You're first parts list was definitely a well-rounded buy, but you say that Ironslice's is better suited for gaming. How come in your opinion?
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May 12, 2012 2:25:03 PM

aDevilishTurtle said:
Obviously a larger budget nets you some nice things, it's simply just I don't have the cash to warrant an extra $200 into my budget and still pay for my living necessities that I'll need. Hence why I still have to stick to at max $800.




You're first parts list was definitely a well-rounded buy, but you say that Ironslice's is better suited for gaming. How come in your opinion?

Theoretically, the Radeon HD 7850 should perform a bit faster than the Radeon HD 6870 The Radeon HD 7850 is a little bit better at AF than the Radeon HD 6870. Other than that my build is better his build included superior GPU ;) 
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May 12, 2012 2:56:36 PM

bigcyco1 said:
Theoretically, the Radeon HD 7850 should perform a bit faster than the Radeon HD 6870 The Radeon HD 7850 is a little bit better at AF than the Radeon HD 6870. Other than that my build is better his build included superior GPU ;) 


I did a tad bit of looking up benchmarks. The 6870 does perform slightly less than the 7850 (kinda obvious yeah) but it still looks like a good graphics card compared to others of its price and performance. I'd still be able to play games like LoL, SC2, BF3, or maybe some MMOs on their respective High settings (I don't need to be on Ultra) at least right?
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May 12, 2012 2:59:20 PM

aDevilishTurtle said:
I did a tad bit of looking up benchmarks. The 6870 does perform slightly less than the 7850 (kinda obvious yeah) but it still looks like a good graphics card compared to others of its price and performance. I'd still be able to play games like LoL, SC2, BF3, or maybe some MMOs on their respective High settings (I don't need to be on Ultra) at least right?
Correct :) 
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This would also be a nice mid range gaming rig you get all this at newegg it would probably also be a good idea to get some cheap but nice case fans later down the road too when you can afford it. A couple of these would probably do the trick (They also come with red or blue LEDs): ;)  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 12, 2012 3:18:18 PM

It's your video card in a gaming build
It's your video card in a gaming build
It's your video card in a gaming build

The HD7850 is the way to go, great at compute, is overkill at your resolution, but will move up great when you are ready.

The i3 is fine -- or snag a PhenomII Quad AM3+

If you are going to spend more money than that, put it toward an SSD.

If you go to Tech Power Up, their graphic card reviews include 1280x800 resolutions. That is really close to 780p.

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May 12, 2012 3:47:52 PM

Get the 7850. If your objective is gaming there is almost no point in getting a better CPU.

Look at the second graph on this page: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/diablo-iii-performa...

That is the performance of the CPU's on Diablo 3 with a GTX 580, which is better than the 7850. As you can see the i3 and i5 have almost no difference in performance (the i3 actually beats the i5 by a little bit) because games don't use CPU that much.
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May 12, 2012 4:06:47 PM

Okay here's my example build at the moment, let me know what you guys think Trial Build #1. Yes, it is technically over budget at the moment, but I'm willing to *cough* throw in SOME extra cash *cough* *cough* to get good products (Don't tell my original post that though :whistle:  )

Oh and here is Trial Build #2 that replaces the i5 2500k with a i3 2120.

I'm starting to see that there really is no difference between the two for what I'm going to do (thanks to Ironslice and everyone ;)  ) I just always have this thing (peeve?) where I see a "better" processor and think "I must have or else my PC will suck" line of thought and I always get hesitant to buy the "lower end" item. I know I'm paranoid to think like that I just can't help it sometimes.

Also bigcyco1 I like your first two builds over the third one, even though the third is affordable, but in general your build are really helping me understand what kind of system and compatibility I want so I thank you for throwing out multiple ideas.

What do you guys think of the parts vs. price in the build and the compatibility? Your feedback is super appreciated, just like your suggestions!
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May 12, 2012 4:20:14 PM

aDevilishTurtle said:
Okay here's my example build at the moment, let me know what you guys think Trial Build #1. Yes, it is technically over budget at the moment, but I'm willing to *cough* throw in SOME extra cash *cough* *cough* to get good products (Don't tell my original post that though :whistle:  )

Oh and here is Trial Build #2 that replaces the i5 2500k with a i3 2120.

I'm starting to see that there really is no difference between the two for what I'm going to do (thanks to Ironslice and everyone ;)  ) I just always have this thing (peeve?) where I see a "better" processor and think "I must have or else my PC will suck" line of thought and I always get hesitant to buy the "lower end" item. I know I'm paranoid to think like that I just can't help it sometimes.

Also bigcyco1 I like your first two builds over the third one, even though the third is affordable, but in general your build are really helping me understand what kind of system and compatibility I want so I thank you for throwing out multiple ideas.

What do you guys think of the parts vs. price in the build and the compatibility? Your feedback is super appreciated, just like your suggestions!
I like the first build better i5 2500k you can overclock like crazy with proper cooling :lol:  but either will do ;) 
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May 12, 2012 4:32:28 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I like the first build better i5 2500k you can overclock like crazy with proper cooling :lol:  but either will do ;) 


Would I need to purchase additional fans for either build or some form of extra cooling even if I was not going to overclock (at present)?
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May 12, 2012 4:43:49 PM

Here a example http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2301991 i run mine 24-7 like this i use NHD-14 for cooling though my temps 70C at full load. keep in mind you might not get this lucky Nothing is really guaranteed when it comes to overclocking, of course. Every cpu is different, but I would expect around 4.2ghz to 4.5ghz for most i5 2500k processor. Make sure to test for stability with Prime95 (I would suggest running it for 12 hours or more just to make sure it's stable). And you'll need a decent heat sink CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 29.99 at newegg
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May 12, 2012 4:44:03 PM

If your purpose is gaming, I would go for the i3 instead of the i5 and get an SSD. Even if you get a 64 GB one for OS and the games you play, it will serve you much better than the i5 :) 
The Crucial M4 64 GB costs about the same as the difference between the i3 and i5. Something to consider ;) 
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May 12, 2012 4:45:14 PM

aDevilishTurtle said:
Would I need to purchase additional fans for either build or some form of extra cooling even if I was not going to overclock (at present)?
if you don't plain on overclocking yet no
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May 12, 2012 4:59:49 PM

with the i3 set up you won't need extra cooling with the i5 2500k you only need extra cooling if you plan on overclocking if your not overclocking your good bud. ;) 
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May 12, 2012 5:11:57 PM

aDevilishTurtle said:
Okay here's my example build at the moment, let me know what you guys think Trial Build #1. Yes, it is technically over budget at the moment, but I'm willing to *cough* throw in SOME extra cash *cough* *cough* to get good products (Don't tell my original post that though :whistle:  )

Oh and here is Trial Build #2 that replaces the i5 2500k with a i3 2120.

I'm starting to see that there really is no difference between the two for what I'm going to do (thanks to Ironslice and everyone ;)  ) I just always have this thing (peeve?) where I see a "better" processor and think "I must have or else my PC will suck" line of thought and I always get hesitant to buy the "lower end" item. I know I'm paranoid to think like that I just can't help it sometimes.

Also bigcyco1 I like your first two builds over the third one, even though the third is affordable, but in general your build are really helping me understand what kind of system and compatibility I want so I thank you for throwing out multiple ideas.

What do you guys think of the parts vs. price in the build and the compatibility? Your feedback is super appreciated, just like your suggestions!



The thing is ... you can snag a an SSD with a PhII Quad & 970 AM3+ motherboard for the same price as the i3-2120/AsRock Z68.

I hate to gush about the HD7850 but it generally comes with a built-in 20% OC to near HD7870 levels. Intel/AMD doesn't really make a difference to the GPU and overall performance, but an SSD will 'snap' things up.

And you still have your 500GB for storage, backups, etc. Create a fast partition and launch your games from it.

Or, not :lol: 



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May 12, 2012 5:45:01 PM

The stock fans will always be good enough for the processor if you're not overclocking.

Also, I noticed that on the first build you put in a Caviar Black 500GB and on the second a Caviar Blue 500GB hard drive. I was just wondering if this was a mistake or if you intend to pay the extra $15 for the Caviar Black. The only difference is that supposedly the Caviar Black is quieter and lasts longer (don't quote me on that though).

And yeah if you are willing to spend the extra $80 anyway then I'd definitely recommend keeping the i3 and going for the Crucial 64GB SSD like Thomas_89 said. Either that or spend the money on a better monitor like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-009-...
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May 12, 2012 8:03:08 PM

Thomas_89 said:
If your purpose is gaming, I would go for the i3 instead of the i5 and get an SSD. Even if you get a 64 GB one for OS and the games you play, it will serve you much better than the i5 :) 
The Crucial M4 64 GB costs about the same as the difference between the i3 and i5. Something to consider ;) 


I'm guessing having the SSD as just the OS and game installation storage lets things run quieter and smoother? Also I probably will just go i3 because as long as I can get at least a 7850 card to run my games I just need enough processing to handle a game OR possibly hosting a MC server is the most stress I'll probably put on it.


bigcyco1 said:
with the i3 set up you won't need extra cooling with the i5 2500k you only need extra cooling if you plan on overclocking if your not overclocking your good bud. ;) 


Sounds good. I'll eventually do overclocking once I feel I need the burst to play some things. But when that time comes, then I'll pitch in a few bucks and get the extra cooling.


Wisecracker said:
The thing is ... you can snag a an SSD with a PhII Quad & 970 AM3+ motherboard for the same price as the i3-2120/AsRock Z68.

I hate to gush about the HD7850 but it generally comes with a built-in 20% OC to near HD7870 levels. Intel/AMD doesn't really make a difference to the GPU and overall performance, but an SSD will 'snap' things up.

And you still have your 500GB for storage, backups, etc. Create a fast partition and launch your games from it.

Or, not :lol: 


Okay, I get what you're saying about the 7850 now and with a SSD how things would run where the OS and games would be on the 64GB and all my other files on the normal 500. That would seem like a good build. To do that you're right, within my budget I'd need to come down to and i3 or do your AMD build. My question to you sir is, I keep hearing overall Intel processors and boards do better than AMD (of course AMD is cheaper) so is the price reduction for AMD parts worth this supposed "decreased performance" compared to Intel or is it not significant (or possibly false rumors)??


Ironslice said:
The stock fans will always be good enough for the processor if you're not overclocking.

Also, I noticed that on the first build you put in a Caviar Black 500GB and on the second a Caviar Blue 500GB hard drive. I was just wondering if this was a mistake or if you intend to pay the extra $15 for the Caviar Black. The only difference is that supposedly the Caviar Black is quieter and lasts longer (don't quote me on that though).

And yeah if you are willing to spend the extra $80 anyway then I'd definitely recommend keeping the i3 and going for the Crucial 64GB SSD like Thomas_89 said. Either that or spend the money on a better monitor like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-009-...


The Caviar Black was only a psuedo-mistake. I'm not fully sure whether having a 16MB cache or 32MB for the HDD is better in some way or something. I initially always go on the principle "higher number the better" and since the Caviar Blue only has 16MB I opted for the Black in the parts list. If this extra 16MB means absolutely nothing to my performance, I will change to Blue in a heartbeat, I just need to know what the difference does??


My only conflict in my build is coming down to i3 vs i5 (or getting AMD) and I'm starting to see i3 may be winning if it gets me a SSD and a better GPU. Unless you think skipping the SSD in favor of a better monitor, right now at least cause I'll probably get an SSD down the road anyway, so what do you think?

So to all I think I know about what I want I just have probably now 2 big conflicts left in my build:
1. i3 with a 7850 or i5 with a 6870?

2. If i5: Upgrade to 7850 (and get smaller HDD or something) or keep 6870?
If i3/AMD: Get a SSD or invest in new monitor?
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May 12, 2012 8:16:14 PM

Also which Radeon HD7850 is better here: http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#c=81&sort=a5 for the price? I'm not sure if there is a preferred manufacturer from you guys or not.

Also again: I have 2 Western Digital external hard drives (a 1TB and 2TB) so if I kept them plugged in permanently (or whenever I needed them) would I be able to get rid of a HDD in there completely and stick with just a SSD?? I don't know if that is smart or safe so your opinions always matter please.


And again, sorry for all these questions but I'm starting to get really interested in DIY stuff and I get very curious so I apologize if you get annoyed by my army or questions.
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May 12, 2012 8:47:57 PM

I would say definitely go with the i3. I don't like the AMD CPU's, I think you get what you pay for, and with AMD you don't get much. Their CPU's tend to use more power and run hotter.

As for your hard drive, 16mb vs 32mb cache makes very little difference, go with the Caviar Blue.

Also, definitely keep the HD 7850, don't compromise on that; it's the most important part of your build. Regarding the brand, it usually depends on which has the best warranty/customer service. Check out all of the options they have on Newegg and look for the reviews. I just picked the HIS because it had the best price, but you have to look at if it has 1 or 2 fans, what people said about it, etc. Just see what people said about the card and make your choice.

Overall I would say go with either XFX, HIS, Sapphire or MSI.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

Also, stop saying sorry for asking; the only reason I'm answering this thread is because I want to help. :)  You can ask as many questions as you want.
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May 13, 2012 1:31:17 AM

Alright here's what I think my final build is going to be: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/88nW
At the moment I opted for no HDD because of my external drives I have and picked up one decent size SSD for the OS and games.

If I can get a compatibility check (power adequate, parts will work together, etc.) and overall review from you guys on how this looks I'd be grateful.
Also, can I get an answer to my question on having the two external HDD and not have an internal one? Just need to know if I can subtract ~$80 or not.


Thanks and selected answer goes to Ironslice for basically finding the best build I can work with (I changed the HD and that was it) so thanks a bunch good sir.
Of course, everyone here has been a great help and I appreciate the time you guys are taking to help me out and give you my thanks.
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May 13, 2012 1:31:51 AM

Best answer selected by aDevilishTurtle.
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May 13, 2012 3:32:20 AM

I'm pretty sure you can use the external hard drives, I'm not sure why not.

The parts should all work together and PSU is great too.

Good Luck with it!!
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May 13, 2012 8:02:06 PM


Here is the thing about external HDDs: Their speed is limited to the interface.

eSATA is clearly the way to go, here. eSATA 3Gb/s is 3x USB3 is 3x USB2 in speeds.

I always look for 2x eSATA like these AMD motherboards in your price range :D 

The HD7850 is clearly the way forward - especially with a SSD. Otherwise, for your uses, AMD/Intel is simply fanboy fodder. Each has it's benefits. There is no downside.

Here is a 3.5" eSATA External Enclosure w/Int.80mm Fan Kit with fancy cables and brackets so you don't have to use the onboard eSATA.

The eSATA bracket simply connects to a SATA port on your motherboard.

Longterm, you may also consider multiple-bay eSATA external enclosures, many coming out at 6Gb/s.

Good Luck!



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May 13, 2012 8:52:18 PM

aDevilishTurtle said:
Obviously a larger budget nets you some nice things, it's simply just I don't have the cash to warrant an extra $200 into my budget and still pay for my living necessities that I'll need. Hence why I still have to stick to at max $800.




You're first parts list was definitely a well-rounded buy, but you say that Ironslice's is better suited for gaming. How come in your opinion?

I seen in the other thread you started you said gaming wasn't the whole concept of the build either way it all boils down to what you consider is the best for you bud i said Ironslice build was better for gaming theoretically speaking due to better GPU i see things differently then most and imho .


Building a gaming PC is all about balance. If your graphics card is faster than what your CPU can handle then the CPU will max out at 100% and the graphics card(s) will not be fully used.
The build that I've come up with should be a very nice high mid-range gaming machine though. It'd also be pretty good for video editing and things like that too if you're into that sort of thing.You can overclock the processor upto 4.5Ghz with the Hyper 212+ if you need. Basically turbo boost does its job pretty fine, still, if you are an enthusiast and want to take advantage of the little beast full potentials then...(many could argue that but I'm taking in general and just giving you my thoughts and advice at the end of the day you half to decide what in your best interest. and either route you go i wish you success ;)  )
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May 13, 2012 9:03:28 PM

bigcyco1 said:
I seen in the other thread you started you said gaming wasn't the whole concept of the build either way it all boils down to what you consider is the best for you bud i said Ironslice build was better for gaming theoretically speaking due to better GPU i see things differently then most and imho .


Building a gaming PC is all about balance. If your graphics card is faster than what your CPU can handle then the CPU will max out at 100% and the graphics card(s) will not be fully used.
The build that I've come up with should be a very nice high mid-range gaming machine though. It'd also be pretty good for video editing and things like that too if you're into that sort of thing.You can overclock the processor upto 4.5Ghz with the Hyper 212+ if you need. Basically turbo boost does its job pretty fine, still, if you are an enthusiast and want to take advantage of the little beast full potentials then...(many could argue that but I'm taking in general and just giving you my thoughts and advice at the end of the day you half to decide what in your best interest. and either route you go i wish you success ;)  )


Well Said :)  . Yeah my other thread is when I just found out some extra cash and so I managed to work a new system out the makes full use of a good GPU and CPU to work with each other to produce the best results. Your build gave me a lot of insight into what I wanted versus what I could get AND how the system would perform with different parts and compatibility which really helps me with my knowledge on the subject :)  .
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May 13, 2012 10:16:58 PM

Cool bud glad you figured it out and i was able to help in some form take care,and god bless!!
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June 11, 2012 4:21:46 PM

Just to pipe in...

I have both a Caviar Black and a Caviar Blue... no perceptible performance difference, but the Black does have a 5-year warranty. I had a Black fail (probably my fault, messing with IDE/AHCI) and WD quick-shipped a replacement in like 2 days, no hassle.

An SSD will give you much more bang/buck than incremental CPU. I just upgraded my gaming box from an i5-750 (~comparable to an i3-2120) to an i5-3570k OC'd to 4.2 and well, frankly it doesn't make a lick of difference in general use or gaming. (GPU is 2x HD 6850 in Crossfire) The only difference is the WEI score. There was a much more tangible performance increase when I first installed an SSD. Based on that, I'd say put the extra money in GPU & SSD, and don't look back.

If you like to tinker, you can crack open one of your external drives, remove the HDD and put it in your box with faster SATA connection. I had a LaCie NAS that I never used because the network interface was slow and unreliable - I "harvested" the HDD and got much better use from it.



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June 11, 2012 4:23:05 PM

Ha! Just noticed this thread was a month old. Hope your new build worked out OK!
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June 11, 2012 5:56:31 PM

truprecht said:
Ha! Just noticed this thread was a month old. Hope your new build worked out OK!


It was a free bump for other new builders to see a build they might want so I appreciate it. And yes, my new build worked out perfectly thanks for the thoughts!
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