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First gaming rig build ever, price range of 600 to 750.

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May 13, 2012 7:08:28 PM

Greetings everyone, i am building first gaming rig and i need some help. Now the games i am looking to play are diablo 3 , tera online , world of warcraft , bf3 , mw3 i think you get the picture haha.

Approximate Purchase Date: Next week

Budget range: $600-$750

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming/Surfing the web/Youtube/videos

Parts Not Required: Mouse, keyboard, monitor, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com

Country: United States

Parts Preferences: Cooler master haf 912 case

Overclocking: I am not sure since i don't know what this is and how to do it

SLI or Crossfire: I am not sure since i don't know what this is and how to do it

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Just the BEST gaming computer it can be for the price range , games i would like to play i want to play at MAX settings.
May 13, 2012 7:21:06 PM

overclocking is a process of pushing your components beyond their stock settings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking

Crossfire/SLI is using two graphics cards in conjunction with one another. Your budget really does not allow for this, to be honest, so i won't get into the details.

Did you have an AMD/Intel Preference?
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May 13, 2012 7:28:39 PM

Probably will not be overclocking anytime soon i would have to read more about it and learn before i attempt it.

Crossfire/SLI in the future i probably will then , since i do plan on upgrading the computer over the years.

No AMD/Intel preference , what ever gives me the best gaming rig possible for the budget price and is able to max out settings for said games.
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May 13, 2012 7:40:58 PM

That's a tough budget, but i'll see what i can do.
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a b 4 Gaming
May 13, 2012 8:01:18 PM

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... $57.99 - $49.99 after rebate savings +.99 shipping
Antec High Current Gamer Series 520W ATX Power Supply

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-LGA1155-CrossFireX-Mothe... $69.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Gigabyte Intel B75 LGA1155 AMD CrossFireX DVI/D-Sub Dual UEFI BIOS mATX Motherboard GA-B75M-D3V

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i3-2120-Processor-Socket-LG... $124.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Intel Core i3-2120 Processor 3.3 GHz 3MB Cache Socket LGA1155

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-AD-7280S-0B-Internal-Drive-B... $21.27 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Sony AD-7280S-0B 24x SATA Internal DVD+/-RW Drive (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-PC3-12800-1600m... $48.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Vengeance Blue 8 GB (2X4 GB) PC3-12800 1600mHz DDR3 240-Pin SDRAM Dual Channel Memory Kit CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Intern... $79.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Seagate Barracuda 7200 500 GB SATA 6.0 Gb-s 16 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST500DM002

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

http://www.amazon.com/SAPPHIRE-Radeon-6870-GDDR5-Graphi... $169.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
SAPPHIRE AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB GDDR5 PCIE Graphics Card
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May 13, 2012 8:25:20 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... HAF 912 $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... WD Caviar blue 500GB $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Radeon 6870 $169.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Corsair 500w PSU $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 8GB RAM Kit $38.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Gigabyte UD3 $119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... i3-2120 $124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Windows 7 64 bit OEM. $99.99

Total $753.92 so a few bucks over

Ah crap, left out an optical drive, so another $16.99 for http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... if you don't have one that is SATA to reuse.

EDIT again: Why me has a similar idea as i do, but the difference is his board will not do crossfire/SLI in the future, so that's something you will want to take into account. (No offense Whyme!)
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May 13, 2012 8:39:58 PM

Those intel based builds are reasonable but you can save some money with AMD .

Replace the intel dual core with this AMD quadcore
AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The two are very similarly matched in this kind of build for gaming , except in older games that cant use more than two cores . In that situation the intel is a little better . The AMD is generally more responsive when you are multitasking , and it easily out performs the intel in encoding and rendering . As a bonus its also spectacularly easy to OC to improve performance when you are ready [ and the intel cannot be over clocked ]

ASRock 970 EXTREME4 AM3+ $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Latest technology mb .

The rest of the hardware suggested above is a good match for either of these cpu/mb sets , but the AMD is cheaper and will generally perform better
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May 13, 2012 9:05:19 PM

^ Lol fail.

Please show the benchmarks. Not cherry picked ones. General ones. Most games like BF3 actually benefit from 4 cores. Modern games that don't include COD are generally able to use quad cores now. Or at least they're better optimized.

You also forgot to mention, almost all BD chips lose HUGE amounts of efficiency after overclocking. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bulldozer-efficienc...
Much worse than Intel's chips after overclocking.

Also, AMD may be cheaper in the short run. In the long run though, you have no upgrade path with the FX-4100. The 8120 is terrible, in gaming the i5 2500K always prevails with more frames (subject to the game of course, but on average about 10-20 FPS gain). If you went with the i3 2100/2120 you have the option to go i7 or just stick with the i5 3570K/i5 2500K and still see performance gains.
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May 13, 2012 9:05:22 PM

Ok so i mix matched everyones build opinions to fit budget needs and opinions .

Here is what i have please let me know if this build will max settings the games i wish to play

SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Blue
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock 970 EXTREME4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Builder Series
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Value Series 8GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER HAF 922
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Now cooler master HAF 922 lil more expensive but comes with combo deal.
Should i opt in the deal and get the

Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 2TB 5900 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard

OR

WD Caviar blue 500GB
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May 13, 2012 9:07:01 PM

Please let me know which parts i should switch out for different ones from the build above i have so far
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May 13, 2012 9:09:49 PM

AMD is really not the route you want to go with specially not for gaming.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review...
You're not looking at the FX-8150 but that's the general idea.

Here's a more relevant link.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-210...
Again, it's subject to the game. However, with the i3's you have an upgrade path. With Bulldozer you don't. Just check out the summary, the FX-8150 performs similarly to the FX-4100 in gaming... That's just sad.
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May 13, 2012 9:17:17 PM

aznshinobi said:
^ Lol fail.

Please show the benchmarks. Not cherry picked ones. General ones. Most games like BF3 actually benefit from 4 cores. Modern games that don't include COD are generally able to use quad cores now. Or at least they're better optimized.

You also forgot to mention, almost all BD chips lose HUGE amounts of efficiency after overclocking. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/bulldozer-efficienc...
Much worse than Intel's chips after overclocking.

Also, AMD may be cheaper in the short run. In the long run though, you have no upgrade path with the FX-4100. The 8120 is terrible, in gaming the i5 2500K always prevails with more frames (subject to the game of course, but on average about 10-20 FPS gain). If you went with the i3 2100/2120 you have the option to go i7 or just stick with the i5 3570K/i5 2500K and still see performance gains.


^ LOL FAIL

Benchmarks from Tomshardware gaming comparison of the i3 2100 and the FX 4100 using the type of graphics card the OP will use
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-4100-core-i3-210...
In almost all games the FX matches the 2100 very closely . It does fall a little behind in some DX9 games , but since its easy to overclock you can reasonably expect it to out perform the intel in those situations too .

And here
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1766/

The upgrade path for the intel stops dead in 11 months when socket 1155 is dropped . Tick tock .
AMD are still using the same socket configuration they used over 5 years ago , and there is atleast one more entire future generation of processors that will drop right in .
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May 13, 2012 9:22:06 PM

aznshinobi said:

Again, it's subject to the game. However, with the i3's you have an upgrade path. With Bulldozer you don't.



Expressing your opinion is one thing , but outright dishonesty is not acceptable .

There is an entire new generation of AMD Piledriver cpu's being released later this year , and intels tick tock cycle ends production of socket 1155 cpu's in less than a year if they stick to their own schedule
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May 13, 2012 9:23:29 PM

What does that even mean though? Just because the socket ends means nothing. He can still move to Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge. Unlike BD where the FX-8150 is still equivalent to the FX-4100 in gaming and slightly better in encoding but still it doesn't compare to the i7 while slightly beating the i5 in certain benches but the i5 and FX-8150 swap blows in certain multi-threaded benches.

However the i5's still beats out the FX-8150 by a long shot in gaming.

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May 13, 2012 9:24:56 PM

What's the upgrade path Outlander. You're quite the AMD troll. I liked AMD before, no doubt. But with BD that was just a disappointing launch.

The FX-4100 performs almost as good as the FX-8150, while the i5 3570K performs much better than the FX-8150.
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May 13, 2012 9:24:57 PM

So now it's more of a choice between an intel motherboard/processor vs a AMD motherboard/processor then.

I do want to upgrade this computer in the future if that kinda narrows out the choice for me.
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May 13, 2012 9:26:33 PM

aznshinobi said:
What does that even mean though? Just because the socket ends means nothing. He can still move to Ivy Bridge or Sandy Bridge. Unlike BD where the FX-8150 is still equivalent to the FX-4100 in gaming and slightly better in encoding but still it doesn't compare to the i7 while slightly beating the i5 in certain benches but the i5 and FX-8150 swap blows in certain multi-threaded benches.

However the i5's still beats out the FX-8150 by a long shot in gaming.


^ LOL FAIL

The FX 8150 more often than not is faster at rendering and encoding that i5 intels and is sometimes faster than the i7's
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May 13, 2012 9:53:28 PM

/sigh this inevitably happens.

@ OP The truth is that both intel/amd have merits, as well as both arguements that are being made. While AMD does support their CPU sockets longer than Intel, both CPU's are about the same for what you are going to be doing with them. With intel, you will have the option of upgrading your cpu to a very nice i5 or i7, which will be a very nice gaming cpu.

Unless you plan on getting into rendering or something in the lines of productivity, etc., you will not see much benefit out of most of the amd upgrades. There is a reason that Intel dominates the top two tiers of Tom's hardware's gaming cpu list. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o... and you will ultimately have to make a decision on whether you want to prioritize gaming, or you want to prioritize other tasks.
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May 13, 2012 10:03:41 PM

No prioritizing is necessary Kelthic

The FX and i3 are very similar at stock speeds across a broad range of tasks . The FX a little better in some , the intel a little better in others at stock speeds.
Of course you can then increase the performance of the FX by 30% or so with some overclocking and the intel is stuck at stock clocks and cant be overclocked


IMO the FX is the winner because it is cheaper , and so is the motherboard . You get more potential for less . And the approximately $40- 50 you save can be spent on a better graphics card right now , or you can keep the cash in your pocket .
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May 13, 2012 10:08:15 PM

Again. Upgrade path... You always talk about the i3 and FX-4100 but the i5 2500K is the upgrade path an the FX-8150 is just not one.
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May 13, 2012 10:13:52 PM

More potential now for less potential later, as i stated in my thread. And honestly not trying to start a flame war here, just help the OP out. If the OP's intention was not to upgrade later, i would be right with you on the AMD chip. Since the OP intends to upgrade later LGA 1155 currently offers much better gaming cpus at the high end than anything AMD currently offers for gaming. That says to me that over the long run, the Intel build is the smarter purchase.

I'm sorry if you disagree, and if that's the case, let's agree to disagree, ok? Honestly, bickering is not helping the OP at all.
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May 13, 2012 10:14:11 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... COOLER MASTER HAF 922

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Western Digital Caviar Blue

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... CORSAIR Builder Series CX500

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... G.SKILL Value Series 8GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3V

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge

Ok build so far from the opinions of everyone. I decided to go with intel , while AMD may be a little better when overclocked im guessing , i do not know how to overclock so ill stick with intel.

Now will this build work ? can this max out settings of bf3 ? or mw3? diablo 3? tera online ? world of warcraft ?

should i switch anything ?
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May 13, 2012 10:22:26 PM

That's a good build fax. Next upgrade you should look at an i5. Then a better graphics card after that.
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May 13, 2012 10:22:43 PM

At that budget itll be tough to max some of those game. The 6870 is a decent mid range card nothing more.
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May 13, 2012 10:26:10 PM

MW3, Diablo 3, Tera and WoW yes, but not BF3.
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May 13, 2012 10:36:40 PM

Awsome thanks everyone for the help i appreciate it greatly. Just one last question from me, what would be a better graphics card then the saphire radeon that can max out bf3 ? or get real close.
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May 13, 2012 10:41:26 PM

The company really doesn't matter. All 6870's will perform pretty much the same. Even stock OC doesn't change much.
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