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March 11, 2012 11:48:30 PM

Hello,

I was wondering if I could get some advice on buying a new GPU. Here is my current set up:

Core 2 Duo E8400 @stock speed
P5QL-Pro Motherboard (I also have a P5W-DH deluxe in another computer)
BFG GTS 250 1GB GDDR3 @stock speeds
8GB DDR2 (I think it's DDR2-800-the regular kind, nothing special)
500GB WD average HD
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
APEVIA 680W Beast (ATX-AS680W)

I especially want to buy a new GPU so I can play the crysis games. With my GTS 250 I can only play on high, dx9, 1680x1050 at about 27-30 fps. I want a card that I can play crysis, crysis warhead, crysis 2 all on the highest setting with a bit of AA. I also play BFBC2, and would like to play BF3 sometime down the road.

As for my budget, i'm not really wanting to break around $160 if possible. I have been looking at two different cards: ATI Radeon 6870 and the ASUS GeForce GTX 560 DC (which is on sale for $150):

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61346&vpn=ENGTX560%20DC%2...


What do you guys think? Should I be looking at lesser cards than these for what I want or even more advanced ones?

With the new Nvidia series coming out, will that drive down the prices of the last generations significantly?

Thanks for your help! :bounce: 

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March 12, 2012 12:05:22 AM

Upgrade your cpu first.anything beyond a gtx 470 the cpu will bottleneck.
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March 12, 2012 12:09:34 AM

Thanks for your reply. I'm not really in the market to spend the money to upgrade my CPU. Would the GTX 470 be a good improvement over the GTS 250?
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March 12, 2012 12:21:28 AM

Either the 6870 or a 560 would be a great upgrade. Both cards will play BF3 at decent graphics. BF3 is not very CPU dependent, so you will be fine, as with BFBC2.

6870's are usually cheaper just saying.
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March 12, 2012 12:24:23 AM

If I got a 560 or a 6870, would the e8400 cause problems like mikem said? What about games that are cpu dependent. Would it be a wise choice?
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March 12, 2012 12:29:56 AM

Your CPU is great and it won't bottleneck your GPU at all...I don't know what mikem711 was thinking ...I had the E8400 and clocked it easily to 3.6 without voltage change....well that depends on your motherboard as well but even if you do 3.2 or 3.4 that will give you a small bump up to 2-5% (1 or 3 FPS in real life)

Anyway 6870 is better than 560 for sure and it is on special on newegg for $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I hope that i made your day :) 
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March 12, 2012 12:34:01 AM

lol yes you did make my day with that answer! :) 

I guess the only question left would be which card to go with:

the 6870 that you poster or the MSI GeForce GTX 560 Twin Frozr II OC (which I could get for about $150)
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March 12, 2012 12:36:37 AM

Then maybe the 560 would be a better choice. The cooling seems good on it (My case isn't very good)
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March 12, 2012 12:43:19 AM

Thank so much for your help! One more thing, would my PSU be able to support the extra power that the cooling will take?

And just to be sure, everything looks good for me to buy the MSI one?

Thanks!
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March 12, 2012 12:49:49 AM

Thank you very much for your help!

Excuse my ignorance :hello: 
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March 12, 2012 12:57:25 AM

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Not ignorant pal, you just needed some help and that is what you shall recieve.
Glad to help you ;) 



Haha thanks :) 

I actually just thought of one quick question. Will the P5QL-Pro be able to fully support it?
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March 12, 2012 1:01:30 AM

ThomasMagnus said:
Thank so much for your help! One more thing, would my PSU be able to support the extra power that the cooling will take?

And just to be sure, everything looks good for me to buy the MSI one?

Thanks!


hi thomas.

looking at your PSU i found it odd that the two 12volts rails were of different amperage (16/18).
since i am not familiar with that brand i don't know if it good quality or not.
since it has 2 6 pin and 2 8 pin pci-e connectors, are one of each on different "rails" or are each of them separate? ie (the two 6 pin or on the 16 amp while the 8 pin are on the 18 amp)

i ask because since the 560 uses two 6 pin connectors; i wonder about the security of using two separate "unbalanced" 12 volt rails.

btw either rail by itself would be sufficient to run that card. which maxes out in the real world at 162W:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_560_Twin_Fro...
(16a*12v=192w) (18a*12v=216)
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March 12, 2012 1:33:29 AM

In all honesty I don't know a whole lot about the PSU. It was bought about 5 years ago for a water cooling set up.


I know it's the ATX-AS680W, I checked today :) 
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March 12, 2012 2:07:27 AM

ThomasMagnus said:
In all honesty I don't know a whole lot about the PSU. It was bought about 5 years ago for a water cooling set up.


I know it's the ATX-AS680W, I checked today :) 


i think this is what you have:
http://www.apevia.com/ProductsInfo.asp?KEY=ATX-AS680W-B...

in a way, don't mind me, i do get paranoid about details . . . :pt1cable: 
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March 12, 2012 2:34:56 AM

maxinexus said:
Your CPU is great and it won't bottleneck your GPU at all...I don't know what mikem711 was thinking ...I had the E8400 and clocked it easily to 3.6 without voltage change....well that depends on your motherboard as well but even if you do 3.2 or 3.4 that will give you a small bump up to 2-5% (1 or 3 FPS in real life)

Anyway 6870 is better than 560 for sure and it is on special on newegg for $149.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I hope that i made your day :) 


I had an e8400 also and even overclocked my gtx 480 was being bottlenecked.gtx 470 was the sweetspot
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March 12, 2012 8:18:55 PM

What exactly are the problems with the Radeon 6870? I've seen many threads about drivers issues etc.

Is this what it is?
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March 12, 2012 8:20:21 PM

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I had an e8400 also and even overclocked my gtx 480 was being bottlenecked.gtx 470 was the sweetspot



Sorry, i'm having trouble understanding. Are you saying that your e8400 was bottlenecking your gtx 480, but the gtx 470 worked fine?
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March 12, 2012 8:29:17 PM

ThomasMagnus said:
Sorry, i'm having trouble understanding. Are you saying that your e8400 was bottlenecking your gtx 480, but the gtx 470 worked fine?


that makes sense. if you look at this review and the benchmarks, it looks like the 480 is up to 20% faster than the 470:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-revie...
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March 12, 2012 9:40:50 PM

I see many good deals on the Radeon 6870, but I also am hearing not so good things about it. Recon-uk, what are these issues?
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March 12, 2012 11:59:10 PM

I think every card no matter if it is AMD or Nvidia there is always a bad batch. AMD used to have crappy drivers and many nvidia owners still use that argument.
I owned these nvidia cards Geforce 2MX/ Geforce 3 Ti200/ Geforce 4200Ti / Geforce 6800GT / Geforce7800GS / Geforce 8800GT / GTX 285...I had to RMA 6800GT , 7800GS, 8800GT, and twice the GTX 285...then I decided to go with radeon 6950 wow what a difference in quality of picture it was...I was blown away. Then I flashed it to 6970. When I bought 30" display I got another 6950 but it was non reference so flash did not worked :( ...gave it to my wife PC. Bought another 6950 reference design flashed it to 6970 and I use these in CF. One of the flashed cards started to show artifacts... re flashed it back to 6950 RMAed it but got nonreference back so I gave it to my wife's PC and bought another reference 6950 flashed it to 6970...and they both work beautifully for the past 8 months
I had never had any drivers issues with my 6950/6970.

Anyway we are getting very very close to Kepler release. Perhaps you should wait few more weeks. Prices will drop for sure...Anyway there is still no way in hell I would go for 560 unless it is 560Ti.
Go 6870 you won't regret it or wait for keplar and let's see what nvidia has up its sleeve...kinda want GTX670 (rumored to be 20% faster than 7970)
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March 13, 2012 12:17:17 AM

maxinexus said:
I think every card no matter if it is AMD or Nvidia there is always a bad batch. AMD used to have crappy drivers and many nvidia owners still use that argument.
I owned these nvidia cards Geforce 2MX/ Geforce 3 Ti200/ Geforce 4200Ti / Geforce 6800GT / Geforce7800GS / Geforce 8800GT / GTX 285...I had to RMA 6800GT , 7800GS, 8800GT, and twice the GTX 285...then I decided to go with radeon 6950 wow what a difference in quality of picture it was...I was blown away. Then I flashed it to 6970. When I bought 30" display I got another 6950 but it was non reference so flash did not worked :( ...gave it to my wife PC. Bought another 6950 reference design flashed it to 6970 and I use these in CF. One of the flashed cards started to show artifacts... re flashed it back to 6950 RMAed it but got nonreference back so I gave it to my wife's PC and bought another reference 6950 flashed it to 6970...and they both work beautifully for the past 8 months
I had never had any drivers issues with my 6950/6970.

Anyway we are getting very very close to Kepler release. Perhaps you should wait few more weeks. Prices will drop for sure...Anyway there is still no way in hell I would go for 560 unless it is 560Ti.
Go 6870 you won't regret it or wait for keplar and let's see what nvidia has up its sleeve...kinda want GTX670 (rumored to be 20% faster than 7970)



Will my e8400 bottleneck it?
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March 13, 2012 2:44:18 AM

Best answer selected by ThomasMagnus.
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Anonymous
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March 13, 2012 2:53:26 AM

ThomasMagnus said:
Sorry, i'm having trouble understanding. Are you saying that your e8400 was bottlenecking your gtx 480, but the gtx 470 worked fine?
wasnt a huge bottleneck but yes the 480 gtx was being bottlenecked by my e8400 at 3.6 ghz.This is just my personal experience.Ive had a gtx 460,470 and 480 and my gtx 470 and 480 performed pretty much the same so it was infact being held back by my cpu.
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March 13, 2012 3:46:34 AM

ThomasMagnus said:
Will my e8400 bottleneck it?
In the end its up to you man but with that cpu anything more then a gtx 560 TI will be a waste of money.You can google all kinds of issues with running an e8400 with a gtx 570 in bf 3 and your just throwing away performance getting anything more then a gtx 560 ti.Ive had an e8400 for 2 years and have run a 5850,gtx 260,8800GT A GTX 460,470 and 480 and without a doubt the 480 was the start of the bottleneck.
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