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For an eye-opener, head to tmobile.com and look at their Personal
Coverage Check.
They make no bones about it: here's what your coverage will look like.
I have to give them credit. That's a great feature. I sure wish
Cingular had it. Funny thing--TMobile's coverage map matches up with
what I experience with my Cingular blue service. Hmmmm.....
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Now why can't Verizon have features like that? I also like T Mobile's plan
pricing. Verizon needs to be more flexible with there plans and offer more
instead of take away from users ( from what I heard ). More flexible + more
features + better pricing = happy customer.
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> For an eye-opener, head to tmobile.com and look at their Personal
> Coverage Check.
>
> They make no bones about it: here's what your coverage will look like.
>
> I have to give them credit. That's a great feature. I sure wish
> Cingular had it. Funny thing--TMobile's coverage map matches up with
> what I experience with my Cingular blue service. Hmmmm.....
>
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"Viper" <user@user.net> wrote in news:65WGe.199564$x96.160011@attbi_s72:
> Now why can't Verizon have features like that?
How could they lie if there was a REAL RF coverage map just sitting there
exposing the truth? Don't hold your breath.
These maps exist. They are filed with the FCC, who does nothing to force
the companies to actually cover the territory they are licensed to provide
real service for. All companies have poor coverage, some poorer than
others. If a broadcast station provided this type of coverage, FCC would
fine them $10,000/day until they complied with filling their coverage area
with a good level of signal.
FCC used to tell us "it's because it's new and they're still in the
buildout phase". It's kind of hard to swallow this BS, now, so far in the
future, any more. FCC needs to provide coverage, one way or the
other....you either put up the towers necessary or you are forced to share
(allow company-paid roaming) on other systems IN MARKET. FCC also needs to
inform cellular what digital modulation scheme they must use, instead of
this hodge-podge of incompatible nonsense invented to prevent churning we
have now.
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Please know that T-Mobile does show a coverage map,that much is true, but
they have serious dead spots all over the place. Even in high populated
metro areas. They do offer some great plans at super prices, it just came
down to having service when I needed it. So I ported over to Sprint. Heres
the plan I had at TM: 3000 anytime mins @ $49.00 (no kidding) that was
awfully hard to give up. So I now have SprintPCS:700 mins @$55.00. What I
have is solid service just about anywhere I go. So when I see the Beauty
Queen on the television solving all those problems with family members
talking to each other I notice they don't even mention how great or even
mediocre the coverage is. But they girl is beautiful so that is what really
matters.
Thanks for listening,
Daniel Cairns
"Viper" <user@user.net> wrote in message
news:65WGe.199564$x96.160011@attbi_s72...
> Now why can't Verizon have features like that? I also like T Mobile's plan
> pricing. Verizon needs to be more flexible with there plans and offer more
> instead of take away from users ( from what I heard ). More flexible +
> more features + better pricing = happy customer.
>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-552B82.21264430072005@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
>> For an eye-opener, head to tmobile.com and look at their Personal
>> Coverage Check.
>>
>> They make no bones about it: here's what your coverage will look like.
>>
>> I have to give them credit. That's a great feature. I sure wish
>> Cingular had it. Funny thing--TMobile's coverage map matches up with
>> what I experience with my Cingular blue service. Hmmmm.....
>>
>
>
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"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote:
>
> For an eye-opener, head to tmobile.com and look at their Personal
> Coverage Check.
>
> They make no bones about it: here's what your coverage will look like.
>
> I have to give them credit. That's a great feature. I sure wish
> Cingular had it. Funny thing--TMobile's coverage map matches up with
> what I experience with my Cingular blue service. Hmmmm.....
C'mon, Elmo... It's nothing but an "overview."
T-Mobile, like every other carrier, has dead spots all over
their "covered" areas.
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daniel cairns wrote:
> Please know that T-Mobile does show a coverage map,that much is true, but
> they have serious dead spots all over the place. Even in high populated
> metro areas. They do offer some great plans at super prices, it just came
> down to having service when I needed it. So I ported over to Sprint. Heres
> the plan I had at TM: 3000 anytime mins @ $49.00 (no kidding) that was
> awfully hard to give up. So I now have SprintPCS:700 mins @$55.00. What I
> have is solid service just about anywhere I go. So when I see the Beauty
> Queen
Ok, as a guy, would you rather watch Catherine Zeta-Jones or the Sprint PCS
dude?
(of course, in asking that question, I'm assuming you're heterosexual)
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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> daniel cairns wrote:
>> Please know that T-Mobile does show a coverage map,that much is true, but
>> they have serious dead spots all over the place. Even in high populated
>> metro areas. They do offer some great plans at super prices, it just came
>> down to having service when I needed it. So I ported over to Sprint.
>> Heres the plan I had at TM: 3000 anytime mins @ $49.00 (no kidding) that
>> was awfully hard to give up. So I now have SprintPCS:700 mins @$55.00.
>> What I have is solid service just about anywhere I go. So when I see the
>> Beauty Queen
>
> Ok, as a guy, would you rather watch Catherine Zeta-Jones or the Sprint
> PCS dude? >
> (of course, in asking that question, I'm assuming you're heterosexual) You are correct sir! The "skirt" is attractive fer sure, I honestly see
right through the BS though. There is so much riding on any kind of ad
campaign I guess. It's just that T-Mobile has a ton of phones that work with
their service, they are literally so easy to come by, that I do miss that
company. And I would still be with them and not even be paying any attention
to this group if they had a working cell tower right smack in the heart of
downtown Dearborn Michigan. Am still stumped with all the retoric from the
CSR about trying a different phone(tried 4 different phones) maybe a new SIM
card, or maybe the proverbial Trouble Report would get me a signal. What did
me in was when went to a TM store in Dearborn and within 4 seconds the dude,
after knowing right where I worked, said " you are in a dead spot". I said
good day and within 30 Mins I had new service with Sprint with my # from TM.
Oops, I did not answer your question. I like watching the dude better 'cause
he conveys a smart assey sarcasm that I have not yet mastered.
DC
>
>
> --
> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
> Company website: http://JustThe.net/ > Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ > E: sjsobol@JustThe.net Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
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I've been with T-Mobile for ten days. So far the service is great. No
dropped calls. 1000 minute family plan for $69.99.
"daniel cairns" <cutmedan@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Please know that T-Mobile does show a coverage map,that much is true, but
> they have serious dead spots all over the place. Even in high populated
> metro areas. They do offer some great plans at super prices, it just came
> down to having service when I needed it. So I ported over to Sprint. Heres
> the plan I had at TM: 3000 anytime mins @ $49.00 (no kidding) that was
> awfully hard to give up. So I now have SprintPCS:700 mins @$55.00. What I
> have is solid service just about anywhere I go. So when I see the Beauty
> Queen on the television solving all those problems with family members
> talking to each other I notice they don't even mention how great or even
> mediocre the coverage is. But they girl is beautiful so that is what
> really matters.
> Thanks for listening,
> Daniel Cairns
>
> "Viper" <user@user.net> wrote in message
> news:65WGe.199564$x96.160011@attbi_s72...
>> Now why can't Verizon have features like that? I also like T Mobile's
>> plan pricing. Verizon needs to be more flexible with there plans and
>> offer more instead of take away from users ( from what I heard ). More
>> flexible + more features + better pricing = happy customer.
>>
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-552B82.21264430072005@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
>>> For an eye-opener, head to tmobile.com and look at their Personal
>>> Coverage Check.
>>>
>>> They make no bones about it: here's what your coverage will look like.
>>>
>>> I have to give them credit. That's a great feature. I sure wish
>>> Cingular had it. Funny thing--TMobile's coverage map matches up with
>>> what I experience with my Cingular blue service. Hmmmm.....
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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In <elmop-552B82.21264430072005@nntp1.usenetserver.com> on Sat, 30 Jul 2005
21:26:44 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:
>For an eye-opener, head to tmobile.com and look at their Personal
>Coverage Check.
>
>They make no bones about it: here's what your coverage will look like.
>
>I have to give them credit. That's a great feature. I sure wish
>Cingular had it. Funny thing--TMobile's coverage map matches up with
>what I experience with my Cingular blue service. Hmmmm.....
T-Mobile and Cingular are using the same infrastructure in some, but not all,
areas; e.g., here in California, Cingular sold its old orange network to
T-Mobile, but is buying back time for the next few years.
--
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Because those features must not be sufficiently compelling to subscribers. If
those features were sufficiently compelling, presumably more subscribers would
migrate from Verizon to T-Mobile (aided by number portability), and Verizon
would have to respond. That's how the free market works, and that's not
happening -- Verizon continues to have low churn.
In <65WGe.199564$x96.160011@attbi_s72> on Sun, 31 Jul 2005 01:47:46 GMT,
"Viper" <user@user.net> wrote:
>Now why can't Verizon have features like that? I also like T Mobile's plan
>pricing. Verizon needs to be more flexible with there plans and offer more
>instead of take away from users ( from what I heard ). More flexible + more
>features + better pricing = happy customer.
>
>"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>news:elmop-552B82.21264430072005@nntp1.usenetserver.com...
>> For an eye-opener, head to tmobile.com and look at their Personal
>> Coverage Check.
>>
>> They make no bones about it: here's what your coverage will look like.
>>
>> I have to give them credit. That's a great feature. I sure wish
>> Cingular had it. Funny thing--TMobile's coverage map matches up with
>> what I experience with my Cingular blue service. Hmmmm.....
--
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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
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In <Xns96A3E134CFE54noone@63.223.7.253> on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:04:33 -0400,
Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>"Viper" <user@user.net> wrote in news:65WGe.199564$x96.160011@attbi_s72:
>
>> Now why can't Verizon have features like that?
>
>How could they lie if there was a REAL RF coverage map just sitting there
>exposing the truth? Don't hold your breath.
>
>These maps exist. They are filed with the FCC,
They are? Then presumably they are available to the public, under Freedom of
Information if nothing else. Form or Docket Number please.
>who does nothing to force
>the companies to actually cover the territory they are licensed to provide
>real service for.
Under what statute or regulation?
>All companies have poor coverage,
Actually pretty good in my experience.
>some poorer than
>others.
True.
>If a broadcast station provided this type of coverage, FCC would
>fine them $10,000/day until they complied with filling their coverage area
>with a good level of signal.
Huh? Then why is broadcast radio and TV coverage so bad here in the East Bay
part of the San Francisco Bay Area? Cellular coverage is better by far!
>FCC used to tell us "it's because it's new and they're still in the
>buildout phase". It's kind of hard to swallow this BS, now, so far in the
>future, any more. FCC needs to provide coverage, one way or the
>other....you either put up the towers necessary or you are forced to share
>(allow company-paid roaming) on other systems IN MARKET.
No need for that -- let the market continue to work.
>FCC also needs to
>inform cellular what digital modulation scheme they must use, instead of
>this hodge-podge of incompatible nonsense invented to prevent churning we
>have now.
Really Bad Idea! The "hodge-podge" has now sorted itself out in the market
into two principal standards, which fosters competition.
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Per daniel cairns:
>Please know that T-Mobile does show a coverage map,that much is true, but
>they have serious dead spots all over the place. Even in high populated
>metro areas. They do offer some great plans at super prices, it just came
>down to having service when I needed it. So I ported over to Sprint.
That's almost exactly where I am right now - but I'm still on T-Mob until the
contract runs out.
It's almost like there are "shadows" in the coverage... Won't work inside of
building "A", won't work immediately outside either.... but when you walk
another 75 feet in a certain direction, there'll be a couple of bars.
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(PeteCresswell) wrote:
> Per daniel cairns:
>
>>Please know that T-Mobile does show a coverage map,that much is true, but
>>they have serious dead spots all over the place. Even in high populated
>>metro areas. They do offer some great plans at super prices, it just came
>>down to having service when I needed it. So I ported over to Sprint.
>
>
> That's almost exactly where I am right now - but I'm still on T-Mob until the
> contract runs out.
Out of curiosity, which area are you in, Daniel?
Also, I'm on a nationwide FamilyTime share plan. I can roam onto other
carriers, including Cingular (at no extra charge!) if I happen to hit a
T-Mobile dead spot or travel somewhere where they don't have coverage, and
apparently that includes the area where I live even though T-Mobile has
native coverage here. Do you have a local or regional plan, or a nationwide
plan?
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"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> (PeteCresswell) wrote:
>> Per daniel cairns:
>>
>>>Please know that T-Mobile does show a coverage map,that much is true, but
>>>they have serious dead spots all over the place. Even in high populated
>>>metro areas. They do offer some great plans at super prices, it just came
>>>down to having service when I needed it. So I ported over to Sprint.
>>
>>
>> That's almost exactly where I am right now - but I'm still on T-Mob until
>> the
>> contract runs out.
>
> Out of curiosity, which area are you in, Daniel?
Dearborn, Michigan.
DC
>
> Also, I'm on a nationwide FamilyTime share plan. I can roam onto other
> carriers, including Cingular (at no extra charge!) if I happen to hit a
> T-Mobile dead spot or travel somewhere where they don't have coverage, and
> apparently that includes the area where I live even though T-Mobile has
> native coverage here. Do you have a local or regional plan, or a
> nationwide plan?
>
> --
> Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
> Company website: http://JustThe.net/ > Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/ > E: sjsobol@JustThe.net Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
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On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:35:21 GMT, John Navas wrote:
>In <Xns96A3E134CFE54noone@63.223.7.253> on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:04:33 -0400,
>Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>>FCC also needs to
>>inform cellular what digital modulation scheme they must use, instead of
>>this hodge-podge of incompatible nonsense invented to prevent churning we
>>have now.
>
>Really Bad Idea! The "hodge-podge" has now sorted itself out in the market
>into two principal standards, which fosters competition.
In the past, the FCC has adopted and enforced standards. NTSC is a
good example where the different manufacturers in the TV industry
cooperated (eventually, and not without some politics) to come up with
a very elegant broadcast standard that has served the industry well
for 50 years. Why wouldn't such an approach work with the cellular
industry?
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In <jr9qe1hlc7jl6645755k22l1fl1r15q7rl@4ax.com> on Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:33:27
-0500, Joseph Huber <huber.joseph@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:35:21 GMT, John Navas wrote:
>>In <Xns96A3E134CFE54noone@63.223.7.253> on Sat, 30 Jul 2005 22:04:33 -0400,
>>Larry <noone@home.com> wrote:
>>>FCC also needs to
>>>inform cellular what digital modulation scheme they must use, instead of
>>>this hodge-podge of incompatible nonsense invented to prevent churning we
>>>have now.
>>
>>Really Bad Idea! The "hodge-podge" has now sorted itself out in the market
>>into two principal standards, which fosters competition.
>
>In the past, the FCC has adopted and enforced standards. NTSC is a
>good example where the different manufacturers in the TV industry
>cooperated (eventually, and not without some politics) to come up with
>a very elegant broadcast standard that has served the industry well
>for 50 years. Why wouldn't such an approach work with the cellular
>industry?
NTSC is a painful kludge with mediocre image quality. By tha
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