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Kepler or Pitcairn?

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a b U Graphics card
March 13, 2012 11:39:26 PM

Heello guys,
What do you guys think and predict? The 7850 or the upcoming 650 Ti? Both are predicted to be 250 USD (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Kepler-GPU-GeFo...)
We know that the 7850 is quite close or maybe even on par with the GTX570. The link above states that the 650 Ti will also be 570 performance. :o 
Also, you guys think PCIE 3.0 will be worth the wait? i have heard that the 580 kind of uses full bandwidth with 2.0.
Thanks.
Oddly :) 

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a b U Graphics card
March 13, 2012 11:55:14 PM

580 uses ~10 lanes of the 16 available on PCIe2, the reason for moving up to PCIe3 is so that if you are running duel card configs in a 8+8 you do not have to worry about bottlenecking your GPU anymore.

I think we will see much the same as we have for a long time; nVidia will be the one with raw horse power that simply 'works' and is more versitile for more professional work as well as gaming, but also eats more power. AMD will be solid, but a little less feature-full for pro users. AMD will be more efficent, and will lower their mid and low end card prices to undercut nVidia. Both will be pretty damn awesome :) 
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March 14, 2012 12:06:00 AM

CaedenV said:
580 uses ~10 lanes of the 16 available on PCIe2, the reason for moving up to PCIe3 is so that if you are running duel card configs in a 8+8 you do not have to worry about bottlenecking your GPU anymore.

I think we will see much the same as we have for a long time; nVidia will be the one with raw horse power that simply 'works' and is more versitile for more professional work as well as gaming, but also eats more power. AMD will be solid, but a little less feature-full for pro users. AMD will be more efficent, and will lower their mid and low end card prices to undercut nVidia. Both will be pretty damn awesome :) 

Sounds a bit like a fanboy sentiment ^ however try this on for size LOL Nvdia needs to lower there prices on Kelper to become a viable option and this regardless of performance because Radeon is already enough. Price/Performance is what we need not sky high prices for a bit more power that's really unneeded or used anyway IMHO. So in closing what Kelper needs is a Price drop and Die Shrink to become competitive and overall rounded out as a balanced package Price/Performance/Efficiency the trifecta !
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a c 144 U Graphics card
March 14, 2012 12:24:45 AM

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The link above states that the 650 Ti will also be 570 performance.


AFAIK that was still a rumor at best. no solid info or available benchmark to prove the upcoming 650 will be as fast as GTX570.

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Also, you guys think PCIE 3.0 will be worth the wait? i have heard that the 580 kind of uses full bandwidth with 2.0.


no they don't.

if you can't wait just go with pitcairn.
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a b U Graphics card
March 14, 2012 12:24:58 AM

Nvidia will probably keep repeating the same thing they have done with every generation. Their top single gpu card will probably about 10% to 15% faster than AMD 7970. To compete and appeal more, AMD slashes prices...this is always the scenarioi, why doesn't anyone mention this. Sure Nvidia will probably have the better performing cards....but at what cost? at what TDP?...I'm with LongpastPNR on this one.
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a b U Graphics card
March 14, 2012 12:30:36 AM

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Nvdia needs to lower there prices on Kelper


"Kelper" huh?

...and how would you know the pricing? OH, you have a crystal ball!



@Op

I would wait to see what "Kepler" is about. nVidia is claiming 3x performance over Fermi which is speculation at this point but nevertheless gives reason to wait.
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March 14, 2012 12:35:14 AM

RussK1 said:
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Nvdia needs to lower there prices on Kelper


"Kelper" huh?

...and how would you know the pricing? OH, you have a crystal ball!

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk62/slammer_0624/crystal-ball.jpg

@Op

I would wait to see what "Kepler" is about. nVidia is claiming 3x performance over Fermi which is speculation at this point but nevertheless gives reason to wait.

For Nvidia to compete with there new cards they will have to be price lower than they generally have in the past. Price/Performance/Efficiency is what it is about not just lots of love in one respect but total neglect in another remember the Trifecta Price/Performance/Efficiency it's all about balance this is where Radeon is leading in today ;-0
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a c 144 U Graphics card
March 14, 2012 12:43:52 AM

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Price/Performance/Efficiency it's all about balance this is where Radeon is leading in today ;-0


not anymore. if they really do care about price vs performance advantage over nvidia they would price 7970 at 350-380 at launch :p  . from my view point amd seems less interested to do price war with nvidia since they launch 6900.
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March 14, 2012 1:05:10 AM

renz496 said:
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Price/Performance/Efficiency it's all about balance this is where Radeon is leading in today ;-0


not anymore. if they really do care about price vs performance advantage over nvidia they would price 7970 at 350-380 at launch :p  . from my view point amd seems less interested to do price war with nvidia since they launch 6900.

They can do that with 7970 cause it's the fastest however 7950 is priced lower than GTX 580 and 7850 is $250 competing with GTX 570 ect ect
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a c 144 U Graphics card
March 14, 2012 1:20:22 AM

nah don't take seriously on that. the funny thing is nvidia might sell their card at higher price but at the end of quarter they still sell more discrete card than amd. btw you can get GTX570 for 220 at newegg now though it was refurbished :) 
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March 14, 2012 1:23:54 AM

renz496 said:
nah don't take seriously on that. the funny thing is nvidia might sell their card at higher price but at the end of quarter they still sell more discrete card than amd. btw you can get GTX570 for 220 at newegg now though it was refurbished :) 

Mcdonalds has Trillions served to doesn't make it better tho just lots of stupid people
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a b U Graphics card
March 22, 2012 3:56:15 AM

Sad for me since here down under 7850 is like $320-$360 AUD. And the 7870 is close to $500. I do not know that is the case, since AUD is stronger than USD.
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a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2012 11:06:58 PM

Best answer selected by OddlyInsane.
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