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May 16, 2012 3:41:07 PM

I have not bought a new PC in 5 years. I am having it custom built at a small computer shop. I have shopped here before and I like them. They don't try to up sell and provide very good service. I just buy new PCs so rarely, I'd like an opinion. Everything changes by the time I even look at these again...

Total Cost: $940. Is that a good price? How much less would it be if I built it myself(I used to do that, but I don't want to be bothered. So just curious).

Goal: Decent Gaming Rig. Keep price down. Will keep for several years. Will never upgrade CPU. May want to upgrade RAM and video card in the future but never to anything top of the line. I like to wait for prices to drop a lot. I am pretty sure a GPU upgrade will mean I would need a better power supply. They also mentioned I would probably need another fan.

I have some questions/comments. I would like to run this by others to get a 2nd opinion.


1. Shop said that a 350 Watt Power Supply was all I need. I don't need to spend more for a higher one. Is that good enough? The 350 Watt Power Supply comes with the case.

2. Shop said I should stick with 1333 speed RAM. They said faster RAM is less stable (what does that mean?) and I don't need to pay extra for it now. Motherboard can handle faster RAM and by the time I need it it will be much cheaper.

3. They said there is no reason to go above 8 GB RAM at all. Any comments? My only concern is Minecraft. Believe it or not when you jack up the plugins and make lots of creatures I burned out a 4 GB RAM work laptop (low level video card since its for work). and it kept crashing due to lack of RAM. Any reason to buy 2 more , 4 GB RAM sticks? I think at this speed that are pretty cheap. I do know that Windows 7 used a big chunk of the 4 gb of RAM on my laptop. So the extra 4 gb is a higher percent. What do you think?

4. 2 Hard Drives are configured for RAID Mirroring. This is personal preference. I'd rather do this than get an SSD. I also use Acronis for Backups. This is not for performance. It is for uptime. Every PC I ever got eventually had Hard Drive issues or the Windows boot sector got damaged, etc... Its nice being able to boot up and just have the RAID controller handle in the back ground.

5. Motherboard is upgradeable to 32 GB RAM and the faster RAM (I don't remember the top speed right now). Also has multiple USB 3.0 ports. That is important to me because when I need to do a recovery and re-image, I want it to go fast. I may need the PC for work.

7. I do not want to pay for an SSD. I figure the price will drop alot in a few years and if I really think its important I can get one then.

8. How is the video card? Its about $90-95 on the web. The guy at the shop said if I want a higher end card I would have to get a higher end power supply and possibly a different case since the case I got comes with a 350 Watt Power Supply. I also figured that in 2 years the $350-400 Video Cards will be under $100 and I can always get one then. What do you think?


Comments in case you guys note this:

1. I did not want a Blue Ray Player. I told them to get a cheaper DVD. I have another DVD Burner at home. So I'll have 2.
2. I have malwarebytes and Acronis so I didn't need additional Security or backup software

IN-WIN CASE c583T MID-ATX 350 WATT PowerSupply
AMD FX-6100 3.3 GHZ Sckt-AM3+ 6core 14M
Asus Motherboard F1A55-M/CSM
2x 4096 DDr PC3-10666 1333 240 PIN
2x 1 TB SATA3 HDD-7200 32 Meg Cache
Sony 24x DVDRW
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit (includes DVD).
Sapphire Video Card HD 6670 1 GB DDR3 1024 MB
1 year warranty


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May 16, 2012 3:41:43 PM

They also told me there was no reason to get a separate sound card. Onboard sound is fine.
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May 16, 2012 4:09:22 PM

Hello congrats on your new computer. its very exciting to get an upgrade!

1) higher end cases do not come with power supplies, they are sold separately. 350 watt is too small. 450 bare minimum, especially if you want to be able to uprade your gpu in the future.

2) make sure the speed of the ram matches the speed of the cpu/mb. anything over that is just for overclocking which i would not recommend for you.

3) 8 Gigs of ram is bare minimum again. Ram is cheap, to double it to 16 gigs it may cost about $40. I'd recommend it to future proof your computer.

4) Good choice with the raid mirroring. most people do the striping for speed then find out the hard way when one drive hiccups all the data is lost :whistle:  Personally I like a single solid state drive and then do regular backups with clonezilla and dropbox.

5) see 2 and 3

6) what happened to 6?

7) Yes SSDs are dropping in price every quarter. I am very excited now that 120 Gig SSDs are down to $100 now. That is an excellent price that a lot of people can get onboard with. I'll bet when 240 gigs is down to $100 it will be a no brainer.

8) personally I prefer nvidia cards for linux and cuda



guessoso said:
I have not bought a new PC in 5 years. I am having it custom built at a small computer shop. I have shopped here before and I like them. They don't try to up sell and provide very good service. I just buy new PCs so rarely, I'd like an opinion. Everything changes by the time I even look at these again...
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May 16, 2012 4:22:19 PM

This build is certainly not worth $940 even with the OS included. Keep in mind that pre/custom builds will always cost more than if you were to build it yourself.

As for the build: I am not a fan of the AMD FX-6100. It will not allow you much room for upgrading the GPU in the future without bottle-necking. I would suggest the i5-2500K. Here's some more reading on your current CPU: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-overclock-crossfire-ssd,3098-13.html

What brand is the RAM? I suggest Something like GSKILL or Kingston, and 8gb is enough.

As for the video card, I would skip over the 6670 and go for at least a 6870.

You haven't provided the brand and model of the power supply. Keep in mind that the amount of watts does not determine whether the power supply is capable of running your system. It's the combined +12 Volt continuous current rating of the power supply.
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May 16, 2012 4:24:18 PM

whoa that is a big rip off and a crappy computer for 2012. if u built that urself its prob cost $500
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May 16, 2012 4:31:20 PM

I have not bought it yet. So I can make changes. Sorry about the numbers. I did some copy and pasting...

1. Is $940 a good price for this? I know it would be cheaper to build it myself. How much cheaper?

2. The 350 Watt power supply was because I wanted to keep the price down right now. It came with the case that he was selling. Is 350 Watt sufficient for my current setup? how much more is a 450 Watt Power Supply? The computer store will be a little more expensive than Newegg so I want to compare.

3. What video card would you get? You said you prefer Nvidea cards. Why? What nvidea card would you recommend in the 6670 range? I wanted to keep the price down. Is the 6670 a good price to performance buy? how much better of a card could I get for $150 (note if they build it, it will be more expensive than if I got it on newegg).

4. Why do I need 16 GB of RAM? I don't know any games that are 16 GB? What will I use all the ram for? I won't run 10 different things at once. Where can I get 8 gb of RAM for $40? They were selling 4gb for $30.

5. The RAM is SLOWER than the motherboard. The motherboard can handle the up to 1866. The guys at the computer shop said that faster RAM is unstable. What does that mean? They also said it wasn't worth the extra cost and I would not see a performance improve. Is that true?
Here is the motherboard.

6. The guy at the computer store said I can go up to an AMD 8 core (older generation) for another $60. Is there value in doing this over a 6-core. The guy at the store said the 6-core has better price to performance.

http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_FM1/F1A55MC...
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May 16, 2012 4:43:23 PM

Here is a build that would perform much better than the one they are building and is a little bit less:
SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM
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Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm ...
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2 X Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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($99.99 each)

ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
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HIS H777F1G2M Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
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CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
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G.SKILL Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBNT
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AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
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$119.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
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$99.99

Crucial Adrenaline CT050M4SSC2BDA 50GB Solid State Cache for Windows 7-based PCs
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-$20.00 Instant
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Total ~$916 (not including shipping nor any rebates/promo codes). Prices are all from newegg.com

If you go with an FX processor I recommend the FX-8120 or FX-8150. Otherwise, the Phenom II generally perform better than the FX-6100 and FX-4100.

Unless you are going to be doing a lot of video editing or other intensive application, 8GB of RAM is more than enough and will last you for a long while.

I included an SSD cache drive to go along with your RAIDed 1TB drives. The cache drive gives you SSD like performance for your HDDs. I have one and it is awesome! The alternative is to get a 64GB SSD and use that for a boot drive. The only problem with that is that Windows would not be included in the RAID, whereas the cache drive will let you raid your OS install as well.
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May 16, 2012 4:45:51 PM

They may be nice, but that build at that cost is "meh" at best. You could do much better on your own. At close to a grand you could have a much better CPU/GPU.
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May 16, 2012 4:50:35 PM

Yes congrats on the new PC and the most important thing to remember is to HAVE FUN!!! If it's not fun it's not worth it. Ok now the rig:

1: 350w PSU is too small. I believe the FX6100 CPU is a 100W chip, so I would go with 500W min and recommend 650-750w PSU. If there is one thing on your new rig you DO NOT want to skimp on it's the power supply.

2: Excellent choice for a budget CPU. The new FX chips are incredibly fast and very dependable but....(of course there's a BUT) they run very hot. Since it doesn't seem like you have any intention on over clocking the stock heatsink and fan should be good enough. If I were you I would spend $20 and get an aftermarket heat sink. Remember, HEAT IS THE ENEMY!!!!

3: If this is the mobo that the PC shop recommended I would go somewhere else. This IS NOT compatible with that CPU. That mobo has an FM1 socket and the FX 6100 is an AM3+ socket. The mobo you chose supports the new AMD APU's and nothing else. Make sure you do your homework and double and triple check your compatibility.

So since your mobo isn't compatible with your CPU discussing RAM and what speeds to get is pointless. Here are a couple things to remember about memory.
- For gaming 8MB is fine. Get a quality, high rated RAM and make sure its DDR3.
- Also remember that memory runs at half of its published MHz. So if you get sticks that are rated for 1600MHz, they actually run at 1333(unless OC to run at 1600). And 1333MHz rated sticks run at 668.
- Not all RAM is the same. Make sure its Dual Channel or whatever your mobo supports and its 240pin(which is DDR3)
- Do your homework!!!!

The graphics card you chose is somewhat low end. My fear would be that your CPU will bottleneck that card. I would recommend a 6850 or 6870 to go with that chip on the low end and on the high end the sky's the limit.

Don't know too much about RAID so I can't comment on that but you definitely have enough HDD space for gaming and just about anything else. I would say DO get an SSD for your boot drive. They have come WAY down in $ and you can get a 60GB SSD for under $90 now. Thats all Win7 needs to run and it is SOOOOOO worth it. I go from BIOS splash screen to running desktop in about 15 secs. GET IT!!!!

So basically your rig looks ok except for the major compatibility issue with the mobo and CPU. I can't stress enough how important it is to do your research. Even if you're having it built or building yourself. If you want some recommendations on mobo's and RAM let us know. Good luck.
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May 16, 2012 4:51:46 PM

I cant believe nobody has caught the compatibility issue with the CPU and mobo.
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May 16, 2012 4:57:25 PM

guessoso said:
I have not bought it yet. So I can make changes. Sorry about the numbers. I did some copy and pasting...

1. Is $940 a good price for this? I know it would be cheaper to build it myself. How much cheaper?

2. The 350 Watt power supply was because I wanted to keep the price down right now. It came with the case that he was selling. Is 350 Watt sufficient for my current setup? how much more is a 450 Watt Power Supply? The computer store will be a little more expensive than Newegg so I want to compare.

3. What video card would you get? You said you prefer Nvidea cards. Why? What nvidea card would you recommend in the 6670 range? I wanted to keep the price down. Is the 6670 a good price to performance buy? how much better of a card could I get for $150 (note if they build it, it will be more expensive than if I got it on newegg).

4. Why do I need 16 GB of RAM? I don't know any games that are 16 GB? What will I use all the ram for? I won't run 10 different things at once. Where can I get 8 gb of RAM for $40? They were selling 4gb for $30.

5. The RAM is SLOWER than the motherboard. The motherboard can handle the up to 1866. The guys at the computer shop said that faster RAM is unstable. What does that mean? They also said it wasn't worth the extra cost and I would not see a performance improve. Is that true?
Here is the motherboard.

6. The guy at the computer store said I can go up to an AMD 8 core (older generation) for another $60. Is there value in doing this over a 6-core. The guy at the store said the 6-core has better price to performance.

http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_FM1/F1A55MC...

1. I haven't ever bought a prebuilt system, I have always built my systems. But I think $940 is a bit high for what you are getting.

2. If you are going to cut cost, do it elsewhere. DO NOT skimp on the power supply. It is the heart of the system. If it goes, it could take all of your components with it. What is important moreso than wattage is the brand and quality of the PSU. The PSU that comes with the case would probably serve better as a doorstop. Get Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, Enermax, or PC Power & Cooling those are the brands I recommend. There are some other models by CoolerMaster and Thermaltake that are good too but only certain models.

3. nVidia or ATI, doesn't matter too much. If you have a specific price point just find the one that is best value for the buck.

4. You don't need 16GB. 8GB is more than enough, especially if you are mainly gaming.

5. Faster RAM is not unstable. In real world setting you are not going to 'see' a difference between 1333 and 1866. The Phenom II's memory controller I suggested is best suited to 1333MHz. However, you could use 1600MHz if you wanted without any ill effect. If you do decide to go with an FX processor I highly recommend 1600 or 1866 MHz RAM instead of 1333MHz. FX perform better with the faster RAM.

6. I recommend going with an 8 core if you decide to go with an FX processor. In my opinion, the best price/performance is an FX-8120 overclocked to 4.0GHz.
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May 16, 2012 4:57:43 PM

This is a build worth the money: from newegg

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NZXT Tempest 210 CA-TP210-01 Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
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Galaxy 67NPH6DV5ZJX GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
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Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer - Bulk - Black SATA Model iHAS224-06 LightScribe Support - OEM
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Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...
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ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
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$334.98
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Subtotal: $983.92

This build will max out any game out and crush the rig they are selling you. What is not in the build is the OS that would be an extra 90ish bucks. This is a rig that will last you much much longer than the one they want to sell you.
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May 16, 2012 5:02:29 PM

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I cant believe nobody has caught the compatibility issue with the CPU and mobo.

HOLY CRAP!!! You are right! I can't believe I didn't see that either. I was focused more on the CPU and that crappy PSU.

That motherboard is for the llano APU processors, not for AM3+ socket processors like FX and Phenom. Better double check with the store. Either they erroneously listed the wrong board or they are trying to pull a fast one and slip in an APU instead of an FX processor hoping you won't notice. I want to believe it is a typo and not them trying to cheat you.
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May 16, 2012 5:06:29 PM

Great point on PSUs maui.... Brand is VERY important also make sure it's PLUS rated as well. Only quality PSU's get rated and will save on energy. LOL maui I said the same thing. Hopefully a typo but thats a pretty big typo.
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May 16, 2012 5:06:32 PM

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This is a build worth the money: from newegg


Nice build but it doesn't include the OS or TB drives they want. And unless the OP wants to overclock, the i5-2500K is unnecessary and could go with i5-2400 and a H77 board instead and put the cash toward the OS.
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May 16, 2012 5:07:41 PM

LIKE I SAID DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!!!!
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May 16, 2012 5:09:51 PM

maui67 said:
Nice build but it doesn't include the OS or TB drives they want. And unless the OP wants to overclock, the i5-2500K is unnecessary and could go with i5-2400 and a H77 board instead and put the cash toward the OS.



Even the i3-2100 or 2120 would do.
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May 16, 2012 5:15:26 PM

guessoso said:
I have not bought it yet. So I can make changes. Sorry about the numbers. I did some copy and pasting...

1. Is $940 a good price for this? I know it would be cheaper to build it myself. How much cheaper?

2. The 350 Watt power supply was because I wanted to keep the price down right now. It came with the case that he was selling. Is 350 Watt sufficient for my current setup? how much more is a 450 Watt Power Supply? The computer store will be a little more expensive than Newegg so I want to compare.

3. What video card would you get? You said you prefer Nvidea cards. Why? What nvidea card would you recommend in the 6670 range? I wanted to keep the price down. Is the 6670 a good price to performance buy? how much better of a card could I get for $150 (note if they build it, it will be more expensive than if I got it on newegg).

4. Why do I need 16 GB of RAM? I don't know any games that are 16 GB? What will I use all the ram for? I won't run 10 different things at once. Where can I get 8 gb of RAM for $40? They were selling 4gb for $30.

5. The RAM is SLOWER than the motherboard. The motherboard can handle the up to 1866. The guys at the computer shop said that faster RAM is unstable. What does that mean? They also said it wasn't worth the extra cost and I would not see a performance improve. Is that true?
Here is the motherboard.

6. The guy at the computer store said I can go up to an AMD 8 core (older generation) for another $60. Is there value in doing this over a 6-core. The guy at the store said the 6-core has better price to performance.

http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_Socket_FM1/F1A55MC...



#6 ARE YOU KIDDING ME? He really said that? WOW. Here's some good advice Guesso, DON"T GO BACK THERE!!!! This store obviously doesn't know what they're talking about. If you feel confident enough, build it yourself. Sorry I just hate when these PC shops try to get over on people.
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May 16, 2012 5:26:39 PM

maui67 said:
Nice build but it doesn't include the OS or TB drives they want. And unless the OP wants to overclock, the i5-2500K is unnecessary and could go with i5-2400 and a H77 board instead and put the cash toward the OS.


Good points. But I noticed that the OP is a long haul kinda guy/gal. 5 years. You can add a 2nd hard drive as needed and the price on a hard drive is set go down and not up. So that can be overcome. An overclock may be need in a few years and I'd like to give em the option later. Again, this guy waited 5 years. I did not add a CPU cooler to the build; that can be added. Given his price range, a extra 100 bucks (the price of the OS) will give him a 670 gpu that is a few %s off the best cards out. If he/she cant then a drop down to a gtx 570/ hd 7850 could also work as well as i5/h77. As for the SDD add it later. The price keeps coming down and it is not a MUST have.

That is my .02
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May 16, 2012 5:30:47 PM

Wait, the computer store wanted to pair that CPU and mobo? I suggest stop going to that store and find another or build it yourself. Thats inexcusable for a store that builds PCs.
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May 16, 2012 5:45:01 PM

upsguy1974 said:
Even the i3-2100 or 2120 would do.



Good point:

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NZXT Tempest 210 CA-TP210-01 Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Item #: N82E16811146084
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy


$54.99
1

Galaxy 67NPH6DV5ZJX GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Item #: N82E16814162108
Return Policy: VGA Standard Return Policy


$409.99
1

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 32-bit - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116983
Return Policy: Software Standard Return Policy


$99.99
1

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Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
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LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer - Bulk - Black SATA Model iHAS224-06 LightScribe Support - OEM
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-$5.00 Instant
-$13.00 Combo


$104.98
$86.98
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CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power ...
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CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9
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Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
-$35.00 Instant
-$15.00 Combo
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card


$174.98
$124.98
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Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32100
Item #: N82E16819115078
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ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
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-$10.00 Instant
-$15.00 Combo


$234.98
$209.98
Subtotal: $986.91
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May 16, 2012 6:00:18 PM

heres a suggestion: if you are uncomfortable building the computer yourself, I'm sure your local computer shop will be happy to do it for you. Even if they charged you $50 or $75 you would probably still come out ahead if you bought the components yourself.
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May 16, 2012 6:59:39 PM

1. Again. virtually NO interest in upgrading. I'll keep this for about 4 maybe 5 years and lower down the settings. I may get more RAM. May get a better video card (when its cheap). That is about it.

2. I have NO interest in overclocking. Too much hassle. Don't care. Not that interested.

3. Don't want to build my own. Configuring RAID is a hassle. The manual the motherboard gives you is junk. It would be a pain for me to make sure I do it right. Not worth the trouble. Only time I have had an issues is when my motherboard battery died. Broke the RAID. I am a programmer. I just hauled it into work and had a windows admin fix it for me. I bought him lunch as a thanks. Took him 5 minutes. Took about a day to rebuild the array (runs it in the background).

4. hasian: I live in Northern Virginia. This is a small computer shop. I do not know of any shop that will let me buy my parts at newegg cheaper than t hey sell it and have them build it for $75. Especially if I want a RAID array (its not hard for them but less people know how to do it). Computer stores are always more expensive than online. Note, N. Virginia is an expensive array, so local stores here may all be more expensive than where some of you live.

Can anyone recommend a company I can order from that will build for less and let me pick all the parts? I did not see anyone cheaper and if I want RAID, they all make me spend alot more money and get lots of stuff I absolutely do not want.

Questions:

1. @maui67 : Would newegg build the custom PCs? If so what do they charge.
About the RAM. At first you said I would not get any value from faster RAM, then you said I should get the faster RAM. I am confused. I do not understand their comment about faster RAM being unstable. I'll have to ask. They do alot of repairs and stuff so they may have seen issues.

2. Don't care if the SSD boots up in 15 seconds. Not worth it to me. What else is the benefit? The value of the RAID is if one drive has an issues, it will still run and resync. If one drive dies, it will run, alert me and I can plug in a new drive. It will sync with it in the background. So if I use an SSD, I am down to a single point of failure ( I don't want to pay for 2 SSDs and put them in a RAID array). So what other value does an SSD have?

3. Motherboard. We went through the boxes in the shop. I remember seeing on the box it was compatible with the chip. I just did a quick google search on some keywords. The guy may have punched it into the computer wrong. I'll check. This would get worked out before I got it. These guys do good work. Seriously not worried about this.

This is what I have: ASUS Motherboard F1A55-M/CSM AMD FM1 A55 A55 FCH Hudson DD3 SATA PCI. This is what I have on the printout. Is that enough to narrow it down? If its wrong I'll call and ask.


4. CPU generation comment. I mispoke. What I meant is that for another $60 I could get an older 8-core CPU not one of the newer more expensive ones. I did not mean that this was an older generation than a 6-core.

Is there much value in going from 6 to 8 cores? I don't want to overclock and I don't want to upgrade. What would I notice?

5. I saw a few people recommend intel chips. Any other reason other than over clocking. No interest in overclocking.

7. The RADEON 6670 seems to have about the best price to performance when I google it. Plus I can go with a cheaper Power Supply (I have to pay more because I really do NOT want to build my own PC. )

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+HD...
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May 16, 2012 7:07:46 PM

I am probably not as smart as you, yet I built my very first PC with zero problems. If I can do it, anyone can build a PC.
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May 16, 2012 7:56:43 PM

I can, build my own but I don't want to. Just don't want to be bothered. I'll pay a little more to have it built. Sounds like I am paying alot more if I go with this shop. I have not really looked at PC hardware in almost 5 years. I only pay attention when I need a new computer.

Can someone look at my last list of comments/questions? Sorry if I sound confrontational. I got a few suggestions I don't get and others about upgrading and overclocking. I don't care about that. So I'll go down a few bucks since I don't want to.

I think my remaining questions can be summarized as

1. If I do not want to upgrade my chip and I am not really worried about upgrading my video card much if at all, is there a reason to go from AMD 6-core to 8-core? It seems like the main argument was so its easier to upgrade.

2. Other than fast boot up time what is the value of an SSD? I think they are faster, but games tend to not be read/write intensive. I think they have a lower failure, but is it lower than 2 disks with RAID? They are quite a bit more. I do not care about boot up time. So any other reason to get one?

3. RAM. Thanks for the info about stability. I don't understand why they said that. It is why I asked here. In that post the person at first said I really won't see much of a difference between 1333 vs. the 1866 (fastest possible on the board), but then recommended. How much of a difference will there be practically speaking. Assuming the rest of my build.

4. The RADEON 6670 seems to have a very good price to performance when I google it. See link above. Does sound older. What is a good card for about $120-150 on newegg? I would have to pay more to have it built. So I need to check with them.

5. I am confused about the power s upply. I will go back and check voltage, etc.. to make sure it works for me. If I go with a higher end card (see #4), I would a 450 watt power supply right? One person said 'don't cheap out on the power supply. I get that. However, is there any reason to get a power supply above what you need for your current system if you really don't want to upgrade?

6. Motherboard. I'll check. See message. I just did a quick google search on keywords. I may not have checked right. We did look at the boxes. I'll go back and ask. I really doubt this is wrong, if it is,it would get corrected before I got the PC. These guys do good work (though its more expensive then buying myself).

7. So I am looking at about a $400 premium over building myself right? Is that the consensus. I figured it was more. Just wanted to figure out how much more.

8. If I was going to upgrade 1 thing in my build, CPU, Graphics, Faster RAM, which would it be in your opinion? What would you get ? I don't want to go that high. I don't want to overclock?

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May 17, 2012 6:53:13 AM

guessoso said:
I can, build my own but I don't want to. Just don't want to be bothered. I'll pay a little more to have it built. Sounds like I am paying alot more if I go with this shop. I have not really looked at PC hardware in almost 5 years. I only pay attention when I need a new computer.

Can someone look at my last list of comments/questions? Sorry if I sound confrontational. I got a few suggestions I don't get and others about upgrading and overclocking. I don't care about that. So I'll go down a few bucks since I don't want to.

I think my remaining questions can be summarized as

1. If I do not want to upgrade my chip and I am not really worried about upgrading my video card much if at all, is there a reason to go from AMD 6-core to 8-core? It seems like the main argument was so its easier to upgrade.

2. Other than fast boot up time what is the value of an SSD? I think they are faster, but games tend to not be read/write intensive. I think they have a lower failure, but is it lower than 2 disks with RAID? They are quite a bit more. I do not care about boot up time. So any other reason to get one?

3. RAM. Thanks for the info about stability. I don't understand why they said that. It is why I asked here. In that post the person at first said I really won't see much of a difference between 1333 vs. the 1866 (fastest possible on the board), but then recommended. How much of a difference will there be practically speaking. Assuming the rest of my build.

4. The RADEON 6670 seems to have a very good price to performance when I google it. See link above. Does sound older. What is a good card for about $120-150 on newegg? I would have to pay more to have it built. So I need to check with them.

5. I am confused about the power s upply. I will go back and check voltage, etc.. to make sure it works for me. If I go with a higher end card (see #4), I would a 450 watt power supply right? One person said 'don't cheap out on the power supply. I get that. However, is there any reason to get a power supply above what you need for your current system if you really don't want to upgrade?

6. Motherboard. I'll check. See message. I just did a quick google search on keywords. I may not have checked right. We did look at the boxes. I'll go back and ask. I really doubt this is wrong, if it is,it would get corrected before I got the PC. These guys do good work (though its more expensive then buying myself).

7. So I am looking at about a $400 premium over building myself right? Is that the consensus. I figured it was more. Just wanted to figure out how much more.

8. If I was going to upgrade 1 thing in my build, CPU, Graphics, Faster RAM, which would it be in your opinion? What would you get ? I don't want to go that high. I don't want to overclock?

I would not consider any AMD build right now, unless it was the FX 4100; even then, you'd still need an OC to get the same performance as, say, an i3-2120, which you already said you would not do.

For a $1000 build, I see no point in getting a Radeon 6670 when you could get the Radeon 7850, which is MANY times better than it.
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May 17, 2012 12:42:03 PM

Hey I think I see whats going on here.
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