it is about time

<b>A push to rein in pay for executives</b>

With proxy season nigh, it will soon be time to tally the chief executives whose 2003 pay was enough to feed and clothe the population of Haiti.

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this is what is wrong with our country. i am not opposed to a ceo making good money, but the salaries and benefits these people get are obscene. and then what makes it even worse is companies say they can't afford things like health insurance and the small benefits yet they can afford to give the ceo a gagillion dollars in salary and bonuses and insurance, etc. makes me sick

<font color=purple><b><i>The Principle's of the Lust are easy to understand. Do what feel, feel until the end</b></i></font color=purple>

I say we get together and lynch the rich son's of bitches!
When a [-peep-] makes more in one month than I make in year then it's time to make that mofo fletch a homo with AIDS.

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Overseas? Dont you mean south of the border?!!
'CEO talking': Why should we pay an American $18 -$20 an hour when we can move to Mexico and pay those shmucks $8 a day. Well still charge the same or more and all the extra profits can go right into my pocket.

Just what GE did when they pulled the refrigirator plant out of Bloomington IN. Saw a news article on what they were paying the Americans and the Mexicans.

Thanks to NAFTA they can do this and not pay any import fees or extra taxes.

A lot of people, even on this forum (I wont mention names) have a 'thing' about earning...

<b>wooooow <font color=red> Killer Klowns </font color=red> ... from <font color=blue>outer space</font color=blue>... HOLY SH¡T!</b>

Wont be long before americans are going to mexico for the jobs.
Whats I think is funney is how people say to "buy American". There is much left thats made in the USA. Hell I saw an American flag with a "Made in China" tag on it. WTF!!!.
People say to buy american cars, dont buy Toyota, Nissan, BMW. etc. Buy an American built car. OK, Ill go buy a Toyota pickup truck. Its built right here in Princeton Indiana. BMWs are made I think in north carolina or south somewhere. The Ford Crown Victoria is built in Canada.
What can you do? Go without things you need/want.

I dunno dude, I mean from a worker's standpoint that is ridiculous. It's a lot of money no doubt that perhaps could be better used. At the same time, this is used to fund private stuff (my dad's business for example is all private funds). From an executive pov, u sacrificed the time to make the money and start up the business. It isn't exactly easy and there is a huge risk. There are times at the beginning when u go w/o any pay and have to pay all costs from ur pocket, but there are (hopefully) good years when u make a bunch. So it is the founder's $$ in a sense.

The one and only "Monstrous BULLgarian!"

I assume from your last post that you're canadian...

figures...

<b>wooooow <font color=red> Killer Klowns </font color=red> ... from <font color=blue>outer space</font color=blue>... HOLY SH¡T!</b>

That was in response to equally general and exagerated posts from others...

<b>wooooow <font color=red> Killer Klowns </font color=red> ... from <font color=blue>outer space</font color=blue>... HOLY SH¡T!</b>

Didn't we just discuss this?

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Before Bush was elected I was the one who would post most of the news/political related threads, but they were never like this.

We need to get back to being constructive rather than just having bitching threads but everytime I have suggested that it has been ignored.

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Daniel you're beginning to scare me, I find myself totally in agreement with you, more and more, it must be the weather here, or something! Or maybe just the fact that you're right, did I say that??? Yes I did! LOL!



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I had a hell of a mess here reading one of your posts tonight.

I need a lighted & waterproof keyboard though. I don't have any light in here except the CRT. Got used to that in engineering!!

Hell I need some good laughs tonight.

That Ice storm is coming my way. It's starting already. We're just on the edge of the freeze line. Said we could get some rain if it goes a tad north. Will get a bunch of snow if it stays south. I'm going for south. I'd love to have a foot of fresh snow to ride tomorrow. I don't get that around here very often. So I'm up for it. If it does rain, I'm going out with the 4 wheeler & make a few $$$ hauling idiots out of the ditches. If we get to much ice, sled is studded & 8" carbides on the skis. Either way, I'm looking for some fun in the morning & I need it!!!



Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

we probably have. i am not against people getting paid for a job well done, but i also take issue with ceo's who get paid obscene amounts of money while they treat the employees of the company like s#$t. i work for sbc and a couple of years ago mr ed whitacre jr took in over 70 million dollars in salary, bonuses and compensation. the board paid him 25 million dollars to ensure that he would the job he was already being paid for. this at a time when they take away as many benefits as they can, slash education, so on and so forth.

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I've got a different take on it all together, myself & I have the benefit of living long enough to learn some things.

The Union Membership spouts the same thing!! CEO's get paid to much. We loose & loose & loose!! They want you to accept what they get for you & everybody else that gets more is no good. It's class envy they perpetrate. Tell me this, what Union has created Jobs for anyone??? None have.

CEO's are in the business of creating jobs that make the economy run. There's the big difference in the way they're paid. If you take that away from CEOs, kiss the standard of living we have, in this country out the window.

I had my first degree at that job & I worked there for 17 years & you know what if I had the Seniority I could get the job that my degree would afford. Until I worked nights for 10 years, I didn't have enough Seniority to get on day shift. I was a staunch Democrat. They owed me & owed me big time. My Dad was there 41 years before he retired. Me, they closed the doors on the place.

So now I'm 38, 2 kids & no job & guess what, my first degree was worthless. That's right worthless. Most of you around here don't understand that education is one of the biggest businesses in the country. They are there to take your money. Most don't understand that fields come & go. Today's education isn't worth much 10 or 15 years after your out of school, unless your in the medical field & I'm not sure of that either.

So I go back to school & get my second degree. Now Guess what, I'm valuable again. I got the experience & a brand new degree. You know the truth though, I didn't learn one thing I didn't already know from my job. I knew more that the instructors. So the schools clipped me for another few thousand dollars to get me employed.

This time I was an engineer. I was considered management instead of Union. I never punched a time clock for them. My word was good enough. I traveled the world for them engineering cars, but I'd fell into another little crack that they had thought of, Contract work. I was a contract engineer for GM. We could talk all night about that BS. Thing is, I negotiated for my raises, my self. I didn't have a Union holding me back this time. I made my way into some really big circles. I've got a patent for GM. That's another story. The year I built my house I got a raise the month that I moved in that more than took care of the house payment on my new house. I was in 3 figures now & thought that I was set for life in my field. I had also turned Republican. I know I could get farther on my own, with my abilities than any Union would ever allow. That's the America I love & want.

Then I was sent to Mexico to hand over the Caviler to there new design house that they had opened. I spent 6 months down there doing my job helping with the transition.

4 months after that GM decided they wanted Designing Engineers now & the design work was going to Mexico, India & China. GM along with Michigan, Michigan Tech. & the State of Michigan got a bunch of money granted to them to start this all mighty Designing Engineer degree program. We were told that if we went to school 4 hours after our normal work hours, for 4 years we'd be able to keep our jobs. Experience & time on the job, meant nothing (I have to add here that GM moved my job out of my city & took it to Detroit, 100 miles each way to work. 1000 miles a week I drove for 5 years to work)!!

There wasn't enough time in the day for me to take that on. They made a list of who would go back to school (Oh BTW it was at my own expense also) & those that wouldn't. I had 14 year invested in that job now.

That was the end of my career. At 51 I was starting over & my degrees aren't modern enough for them. So I was put out to pasture!! That was 2 years ago & I haven't had an offer from our country, yet. I can go to work tomorrow in Mexico or China, but I can't work in the US. I'm looking at starting over again with nothing again at 53 years of age. What do you think my chances are of that??? My engineering degree is no good now.

The young engineers said they would do it. Most of them had student loans up the yazoo form getting through school as it was. Most of them couldn't afford to live at there standard because they were so debt ridden form student loans. They stayed & are paying whatever it takes to just keep their jobs. I've got news for them, give it 10 years & it will happen to them again. Hence me saying education is big business.

There's a couple of thing you ought to pick up on here. No matter what education or degree you have, it will be no good before the end of your working like. As long as you got the money & time the schools will be there to help you. If you don't have the money, they won't have the time for you even though your alumni. I was a honor student Phi Theta Kappa 3.875 GPA on my engineering degree. That's not shabby by any means IMO Now I know no one here has ever herd me mention my academic accomplishments. There's a reason for that. I consider education as big of evil as any corporation that's out there. It's a system that you have to have & can't beat, really, but they are just there to milk the money out of you. I say that because of this. I tutored students while I was going to school to make some money. Most of the students were in the wrong field. As a employee of the school I couldn't tell them they were in the wrong field. They would weed them out. Then they would say, you've just got the wrong career path. Lets change that for you & BTW it's going to take another 2 years of tuition to do that. You can take back a product that's defective, try taking back an education that is absolutely no good or the field is saturated, I want to see that.

Bottom line, expect to keep going to school your whole life & budget for it. Degrees are short lived in the scheme of things. Yea, you'll make more money with an education, but it comes with a high cost, you'll spend a good deal of money to try & keep up with it. Once you've hit 50, it doesn't matter a whole lot, your past your prime & smart as you are, there's someone younger out there, weather they could actually carry my lunch bucket or not. Me, I'll make it, I always have before, but it's getting harder to play the game.

Hope this was helpful to some, I feel like I'm rambeling IMO




Dazzle them with Brilliance, or Baffle them with BS!

Well said kinney!!!I agree

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I could say the exact same thing about you...

Not one single thing you've ever said has not been said before. Both you and dh spout thoughtless, meaningless sentences taken straight out of the media.

Hate is the worst of feelings and no one here is worth it. My soul and peace of mind is way above any and all people here.

I am happy and successful and, unlike some people, have no need to prove it to everyone.



<b>wooooow <font color=red> Killer Klowns </font color=red> ... from <font color=blue>outer space</font color=blue>... HOLY SH¡T!</b>

Go dig your bunker.

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What you say is very interesting. My degree isn't any good unless I get a PhD. I'm not about to do another 7 years of school for that PhD. That's mostly due to my degree since I don't want to spend the rest of my life doing statistics and grant proposals.

So my options are this: I can stay with my job, which doesn't require any education and I'll probably max out at 100K a year. Alternatively I can stay with the company while I go back and get a masters degree in Engineering and at least open up the possibility of me getting a more challenging and stimulating job that will pay more than 100K down the road.

I either burn one bridge now or I keep them both going. I'm choosing the later. Hopefully it'll be worth something in 20 years but the truth is that you always need more education since times change so fast nowadays. A perfect example is the way it's mandatory for teachers to keep taking classes. It's the right thing to do. Having them pay for it isn't though.

What's not right is the way universities have turned into businesses. I just had some transcripts sent and they charged me $4 a copy. WTF? It's a few pages of paper. If you eat on campus it's like buying food at a movie theater. Buying books was an ordeal since I never walked out of there for less than $500. What we all ended up doing was borrowing books from other students. I didn't buy any books my last couple of years in college.

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Snorkius you have nothing to contribute and you're obviously frustrated. All you do is propose conspiracy theories and dooms day rants.

We put forth facts and intelligent discussions and your response is that no facts can be proven since we haven't seen it for ourselves.

Enough already. Bow out or restructure your way of arguing. Start presenting valid arguments, post links, and don't walk away from all our arguments throwing a fit and dismissing everything as a conspiracy or propaghanda.

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Just curious?
Refresh my memory??
Aren't you the one that was building the bomb shelter???
That you had planned on living in the rest of your life????
Or have I got the wrong person?????
If it is you???
Hows that going, By the way?????







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Even people without power twist words to fit their needs...


I said compound! Not living in a hole in the ground, but a military base! And it was a hypothetical proposition anyway. What would *you* do with multi-billion $$? I'm not going to have that much money because I don't want it, but what if it fell out of the sky on your front lawn?

Perverse excesses hold no interest for me. I would try to change something for the better. Most wealthy powerfull people would oppose change. Easy to have an 'accident', but a compound would improve my chances somewhat.

<b>wooooow <font color=red> Killer Klowns </font color=red> ... from <font color=blue>outer space</font color=blue>... HOLY SH¡T!</b>

snorkius?

Have you taken your Meds today???

I dooon't thiiink so!!!

Can you say, Psychopath!!!







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Actually its who you know.

But whether this is a communist nation as you guys would prefer, or a capitalist nation... its still, who you know.

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Yeah, thats right. I support the NV/AMD/IBM axis of evil.

Except in communism you don't have a poor, middle, and upper class. You have poor and super rich corrupt class.

I admit that it's not what you know, it's who you know, or a little bit of both at the very least. I wish they would teach you that in high school. I really wish they would have told me a lot of things that we all have to learn the hard and long way.

Granted, if you're like Scamtron you have no chance of anything and it doesn't matter who you know. You need to have some education beyond the 3rd grade.

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<font color=red><b>Seriously, if having SOD's knowlege you could get a job, what am I doing in university? - snorkius</font color=red></b>

Education, no matter how much we complain about it, is so crucial since no matter who you know you won't be a doctor without the education.

You might be able to be a CEO, but the chances of you being a scientist are pretty slim unless you're Newton or Einstein. Good luck becoming a Judge without a law degree. Your opportunities are severely limited.

However, once you have the education you really need the connections to find the best jobs. Otherwise you'll be stuck without a job or the lower tier jobs.

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<font color=red><b>Seriously, if having SOD's knowlege you could get a job, what am I doing in university? - snorkius</font color=red></b>

i agree gates deserves every penny because he is the one directly responsible. take jack walsh for example ex ceo of ge i believe, and the insane retirement package that he got.

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