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Will Steamroller be AM3+?

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September 4, 2012 4:38:02 PM

I'm thinking of building a budget rig for my friend with a Phenom II x4 965 BE and I'm curious if he will be able to upgrade to Steamroller down the road without replacing the motherboard.

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September 4, 2012 7:53:52 PM

I doubt it,I know piledriver will be on AM3+
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September 4, 2012 8:20:49 PM

Piledriver looks like it will be AM3+ but more than likely that will be the end of the AM3+ socket. They will either change the socket or go to an FM1 style APU socket.
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September 4, 2012 11:28:55 PM

Unknown.

Is Steamroller even coming out as a CPU? I thought it was only going to be use as Trinity's successor; Vishera.
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September 5, 2012 1:07:08 AM

Good question, while its still up in the air, I'd add to the discussion to say that its in AMD's best interest to keep it so. We're still a long way off from Integrated CPU graphics replacing discrete graphics cards for most computer users (at least in my estimation). Also, I don't think DDR4 will be in mainstream production by Steamroller's scheduled release, I just don't see the point of changing sockets for the sake of adding integrated graphics to their mainstream line. But then again, companies these days seem to rarely do things in their best interest.... :lol: 
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September 5, 2012 1:21:37 AM

But AMD has said they are getting out of making CPU's and are concentrating on the APU. They made it sound like Piledriver was the end of the CPU sockets and from then on they would use APU sockets.
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September 5, 2012 2:25:56 AM

We'll still have the Opteron option but those aren't am am3 either.
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September 5, 2012 4:48:36 AM

rds1220 said:
But AMD has said they are getting out of making CPU's and are concentrating on the APU. They made it sound like Piledriver was the end of the CPU sockets and from then on they would use APU sockets.

They did say that, sure it makes sense, Intel is already APU in their main CPU line (HD graphics), AMD if they want to stay alive have to go that way too, but I cant really see an advantage to doing it quite yet. As far as their roadmap, its not set in stone, they can change it 5 or 6 different times if they wanted to. Its not like its a legally binding contract or anything, ya know?
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September 5, 2012 6:36:14 AM

nekulturny said:
Good question, while its still up in the air, I'd add to the discussion to say that its in AMD's best interest to keep it so.


Actually it is not in the best interest of AMD to continue making CPUs. That's not what hardware enthusiasts or AMD fanboys want to hear, but the sad truth is AMD does not have that much cash. They had massive losses of about $6.5 billion in 2007 and 2008 combined. Since then AMD has only managed to earn about $1.2 billion in total. At the rate they are earning money, it will take about 10 - 11 more years for AMD to fully recover that loss. That does not take inflation into account either which would probably add another 2 or 3 years to that total. AMD needs to cut costs and the prime target is the socket AM3+ CPU.

Since the massive losses, AMD has only been able to earn $376 million to $491 million of net income per year (3 years). Intel on the other hand earned $4.4 billion to $12.9 billion per year over the past 5 years. AMD's net income is a drop in the bucket to what Intel can pull in.

AMD only spends around $1.4 billion to $1.9 billion per year on research and develop over the past 5 years. That pales in comparison to $5.7 billion to $8.5 billion per year Intel spends on R&D over the same amount of time. Note that AMD's R&D spending is divided between their APU/CPU and the graphic cards.

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September 5, 2012 6:40:59 AM

Meh, honestly, I see it as inevitable that AMD goes bankrupt at this point. I could point out all kinds of things that Intel has done (unethically, and unlawfully) to help them along, but it doesn't really matter. It is going to happen, I don't think any amount of time or lucky breakthrough will stop the wheels that have been set in motion. If they can keep it afloat by getting out of the desktop market, all the better. Theres definitely nothing wrong with their graphics cards, I don't know enough about how businesses work in that respect, but I'd hope they'd "cut Radeon loose" before they crash and burn.
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September 5, 2012 6:52:16 AM

Now, I have a question. Its my understanding that both Intel and AMD CPUs have pins on their CPU sockets that don't do anything. I wonder if its feasible for them to create hybrid CPUs, say for example Steamroller could work in both FM2 sockets and AM3+, obviously, the Integrated graphics wouldn't function in an AM3+ socket, but I think physically llanos fit in AM3+ sockets, they just don't work (and vice versa). Maybe having that feasibility might improve their outlook if they could pull it off.
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September 5, 2012 7:11:22 AM

All companies engage in some type of unethical practices against their competition. The most current is the global battle between Samsung and Apple cross suing each other regarding patent infringements. Samsung recently won the lawsuit case in Korea (hmmm.... Samsung is a Korean company... nah I don't see any relationship there...).

Well... Samsung didn't actually "win" against Apple, since both companies were found guilty of cross patent infringement. But Samsung was only barred from selling one tablet (possibly Transformer) and one of their Galaxy phones. Apple on the other hand was barred from selling the iPhone (current and older generation) as well as the iPad and... possibly the iPod???

Since both companies technically lost, they both had to pay each other some relatively small amounts of fines. Samsung came out ahead with about $35k. Woohoo!!! Beer Money!!!!! Actually since it's Korea... Woohoo!!! Soju Money!!!!

The real battle is in the US where... umm... Samsung lost and must pay $1.05 billion to Apple. The losers are Samsung (obviously), Google, other Android smartphone manufacturers and the general public. There will likely be few Android smartphone available in the near futures because manufacturers do not want to risk being sued by Apple for "iPhone-ish like features".

For those who own Apple shares (AAPL), BOOYAH!!!! Your share price just went up by almost $10 to $675.
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September 5, 2012 10:35:03 AM

SR will not be on AM3+ it will use a new socket something akin to FM sockets. It better suits the platform with all FM sockets now shiping Lucid MVP on the Trinity mobo's also the features are perfect for a heterogeneous processor which SR quintessentially is.

No this is not a indication that AMD are leaving the DT market, SR is going to be a high end chip just in the form of a APU.
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September 5, 2012 12:46:22 PM

That is news that I didn't want to hear :c Making me feel as though I wasted money on upgrading from am2+ to a 990FX am3+ a waste of money more than it already is.
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September 5, 2012 5:50:47 PM

jaguarskx said:
All companies engage in some type of unethical practices against their competition. The most current is the global battle between Samsung and Apple cross suing each other regarding patent infringements. Samsung recently won the lawsuit case in Korea (hmmm.... Samsung is a Korean company... nah I don't see any relationship there...).

Well... Samsung didn't actually "win" against Apple, since both companies were found guilty of cross patent infringement. But Samsung was only barred from selling one tablet (possibly Transformer) and one of their Galaxy phones. Apple on the other hand was barred from selling the iPhone (current and older generation) as well as the iPad and... possibly the iPod???

Since both companies technically lost, they both had to pay each other some relatively small amounts of fines. Samsung came out ahead with about $35k. Woohoo!!! Beer Money!!!!! Actually since it's Korea... Woohoo!!! Soju Money!!!!

The real battle is in the US where... umm... Samsung lost and must pay $1.05 billion to Apple. The losers are Samsung (obviously), Google, other Android smartphone manufacturers and the general public. There will likely be few Android smartphone available in the near futures because manufacturers do not want to risk being sued by Apple for "iPhone-ish like features".

For those who own Apple shares (AAPL), BOOYAH!!!! Your share price just went up by almost $10 to $675.


Yea, I remember reading about the Apple Samsung thing. I think its really sad that these companies are so driven by greed that they do stuff that hurts consumers in the long run. I know the media tends to sensationalize things, so I don't know how much of the Samsung/Apple thing was true, but I remember the big thing was the court honored Apples patent on "rectangular phones", that to me is just plain outrageous (if actually portraryed by the media correctly). Apple I have more hate for than possibly Microsoft and Intel. To me they sell things that seem zippy and awesome, but in reality, its just overrated and overpriced trash with fancy packaging. Their laptops and desktops, if you price em on their website, (I did this and posted in a thread awhile back) same features, processor, similar RAM and graphics specs you can get from Dell or HP but 2 and 3x as much if you buy from Apple. ipods? Well hell, I had an RCA MP3 player a few years ago, literally cost half as much as an ipod from walmart, did everything an ipod could do.

I know I'm a dreamer, but I wish companies could go back to winning against the competition based on the merits of their products, the innovation of their design, rather than exploiting capitalism's inherent weaknesses and abusing the court system. It seems to me that too many people are willing to accept that as "just the way it is", no offense, but you seem like you may be one of them. To me, its not acceptable. But then again, I'm at a loss about what to do about it.
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September 5, 2012 10:40:05 PM

the apple/samsung crap is still in round 1; it'll be years and many more court battles before either side pays anything to the other side.

The real problem is the retarded patent office giving out patents for completely moronic stuff; like phones with rounded corners... really! Well wheels are purely rounded corners and I invented that. I should sue everybody. Muhahahaha.
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September 5, 2012 11:15:52 PM

popatim said:


The real problem is the retarded patent office giving out patents for completely moronic stuff; like phones with rounded corners... really! Well wheels are purely rounded corners and I invented that. I should sue everybody. Muhahahaha.


You mean like Amazon's One Click patent? Well, at least only in the US. Amazon was denied the patent in Europe last year.

At least some good has come out of Europe. Now if they can only fix the very minor issues of sovereign debt in various countries within the European Union.
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September 5, 2012 11:29:40 PM

How about Microsoft trying to patent the "ribbon" in Office? Microsoft is one I really can't get over, they try to patent things they didn't even invent.
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September 6, 2012 12:08:05 AM

I hate MS Office 2007. MS really messed up the menu system compared to the older MS Office that I am used to using. Previous version shortcut keys don't work the same.

If MS is going to try an patent the "ribbon", then I am going try and get a patent on breathing. That way people will need to pay me so that they can live.
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