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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 12:29:03 AM

There's a deal on GTx 580 on Tomshardware and Should I buy it or buy a 7950? GTx 580 is $390 awhile 7950 is $450... Best price for product...

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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 12:52:15 AM

Their are very similar in performance, I would wait for Nvidia kepler series of cars before making a decision. There a graph on Tom's that show kepler being 7-8 times more powerful than the 7950 lol
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 1:04:25 AM

redeemer said:
Their are very similar in performance, I would wait for Nvidia kepler series of cars before making a decision. There a graph on Tom's that show kepler being 7-8 times more powerful than the 7950 lol

Just to let you know, I got a i 7 950 so buying a Kepler is kinda pointless without PCIe 3.0 because I wont be getting full performance... BTW the price for a kepler or a GTx 670 is way higher than 580 for probably same performance...
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 1:32:42 AM

We can't draw conclusions about the price or the performance of Kepler yet, unless you have some data I don't know about (show me!). I think it's probably worth waiting for Kepler and the 7800s. The 7870 should be similar to the 580 and cheaper, I think (source: Tom's paper-launch 7800 review).
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March 16, 2012 1:46:52 AM

redeemer said:
Their are very similar in performance, I would wait for Nvidia kepler series of cars before making a decision. There a graph on Tom's that show kepler being 7-8 times more powerful than the 7950 lol


7x8 TIMES? Thats not accurate...

All I know is.. this...

With anything under 32 inches 7970 does 90ish FPS in BF3 with everything maxxed, and its very energy effiecient, so I'm happy...
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March 16, 2012 2:19:29 AM

If you're not going to overclock, pick up that Galaxy GTX 580 off newegg for $370.

If you want to overclock, I'd say pick up the 7950 at $450 - you should easily get a 30%+ overclock on it.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 2:26:16 AM

PCI-E 3.0 vs 2.0 won't make a difference for gaming. For compute it will, but for gaming PCI-E 2.0 X16 is still quite sufficient.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 2:30:36 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-Kepler-GeForce-...
This is the chart you are referring to and it is greatly misleading. First of all the lowest it goes is 0.8 with the 7970 being at 1 for every single test. The highest the graph goes is 1.5 so the largest difference on BF3 4x AA is about a 55% increase not even close to 7-8 times better (7-8 times more power hungry I would believe though). This is also released by Nvidia themselves bringing bias into question. Lastly this is for their top model which should retail for about the same as the 7970 if not higher ($100+difference).

So yes, do wait to see how the Kelper does vs the 7xxx series but I don't believe they will be much of an improvement. As usual the AMD performs better in some games and the Nvidia in others just depending on which brand the game was optimized for.

If you want best bang for the buck the 580 is a steal for $370 and I would jump on that.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
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March 16, 2012 2:37:30 AM

It's worth mentioning that there's a pretty good chance that the price/performance ratio is going to be higher on these discounted GTX 5xx series Fermi products than on the Kepler products at their launch.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 2:40:59 AM

why do people keep saying wait.Id jump on the gtx 580 for 390$ thats a good deal
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 2:46:47 AM

We say wait because those prices should only drop with the new line and that it is set to release the top (single GPU) card on the 23rd of this month (not sure which others are set to release then too if any) and the 78xx series is coming out on the 19th.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 2:52:09 AM

I highley doubt those prices will drop much more then the 370-390$ ive seen.
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a c 155 U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 2:52:53 AM

I think the HD7970 still falls (just barely) within the bandwidth provided by PCIe x16 v2 so PCIe v3 isn't needed.

You should definitely wait for Kepler and simply buy the card that gets the best performance for your money.

Just look at the benchmarks and ignore other peoples comments!!

I have an HD5870 which is great but I still want to upgrade. I'm probably getting a GTX670 or GTX680 but again, I'm waiting for the benchmarks.

NVidia vs AMD (or GTX6xx vs HD7xxx):
Not everyone cares but NVidia has a few advantages such as CUDA, PhysX and POSSBILY better performance (it's performance per dollar that counts).

The current card to beat IMO:
Sapphire Tech HD7950 OC (has awesome cooling solution and dual BIOS).
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March 16, 2012 2:53:45 AM

I kinda think that these Fermi prices have bottomed out... I can't imagine anyone selling a GTX 580 at <$370. $370 after rebate is an outstanding deal - easily good enough that anyone looking for a high end GPU right now should buy it and have no regrets.

The chances of Kepler coming in at a price/performance level that makes a $370 GTX 580 look bad are unbelievably slim.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 3:31:35 AM

I agree the gtx 580 will be the best bang for the buck.Keplar will use the this is new technology so we will rip you off attitude when it will probably barley perform better then a gtx 580
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March 16, 2012 2:01:39 PM

dadof1hunter said:
7x8 TIMES? Thats not accurate...

All I know is.. this...

With anything under 32 inches 7970 does 90ish FPS in BF3 with everything maxxed, and its very energy effiecient, so I'm happy...


Do you have AA turned on? Are CCC settings at default?

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The current card to beat IMO:
Sapphire Tech HD7950 OC (has awesome cooling solution and dual BIOS).


All HD 7900s have a dual BIOS, and my reference Sapphire is running max CCC overclock at 65C full load which is VERY cool. Dual fan cooling is more of a gimick than anything.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 2:22:38 PM

redeemer said:
Their are very similar in performance, I would wait for Nvidia kepler series of cars before making a decision. There a graph on Tom's that show kepler being 7-8 times more powerful than the 7950 lol



i am not ready to agree(unless i see a video)that 680 is 7-8x better than 7950.if it is s then i am sure it is at least a $2k card.
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March 16, 2012 2:40:18 PM

7-8x better then 7950 ...lol TROLLOLOL

2.0 vs 3.0 pci = very marginal increases..will not be noticable until games get more demanding. Test's have shown this already. Do not worry if your 2.0 or 3.0, it'll still be a huge increase in gpu power for you.
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March 16, 2012 2:41:43 PM

hellfire24 said:
geez!!let me think!!!!
for now gtx 580 for $390 or better option is 7870 for $300~.
it beats 580 at 1080p in BF3-
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
with a little overclock i am sure it will crush 580.
Damn my gtx 580.... :( 


The 7870 is MSRP $350, not $300. The very first page of that toms article would tell you that. :pfff: 

The Galaxy GTX 580 is $370 after rebate.

And, the GTX 580 is 5-10% faster than the 7870 on average.

So, for $20 more, you get a card that is 5-10% faster and available right this moment. Yup I'd say that's a good deal.

:edit: - I think that the 7870 may end up beating it in price/performance when both cards are at an average max OC, but it's not such that the 580 at $370 is gonna look like a bad deal. It's also not a guarantee, since the 580 overclocks decently. Certainly it's not gonna "crush" the 580.
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March 16, 2012 2:47:55 PM

hellfire24 said:
geez!!let me think!!!!
for now gtx 580 for $390 or better option is 7870 for $300~.
it beats 580 at 1080p in BF3-
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
with a little overclock i am sure it will crush 580.
Damn my gtx 580.... :( 


No idea who is right, but those Tom's numbers are very, very different than Anandtech's:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5625/amd-radeon-hd-7870-g...

The resolutions are a little different, so can't do a direct comparison, but at 1900x1200, Anand has a 7870 not even matching a GTX 570 let alone a 580.
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March 16, 2012 2:53:37 PM

guzuta said:
No idea who is right, but those Tom's numbers are very, very different than Anandtech's:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5625/amd-radeon-hd-7870-g...

The resolutions are a little different, so can't do a direct comparison, but at 1900x1200, Anand has a 7870 not even matching a GTX 570 let alone a 580.


Good call - I didn't notice that. Probably it's because toms didn't test at ultra 1080p. Toms' benchmarks are probably unreliable, since techpowerup has the 7870 between the 570 and 580 in BF3.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 2:58:14 PM

BigMack70 said:
Toms' benchmarks are probably unreliable,


so why the hell are you here?
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 3:04:10 PM

BigMack70 said:
The 7870 is MSRP $350, not $300. The very first page of that toms article would tell you that. :pfff: 


i said approx not exactly $300.5~10% better is not worth extra $50+.it's newer tech and better IMO.


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Certainly it's not gonna "crush" the 580.


the crushing here does refers only to the extra fps!heat,overclocking potential,power consumption also play a major role in crushing!
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March 16, 2012 3:13:06 PM

Stop trolling. Your advice is terrible and misinformed. :non: 

There's a very big difference between $300 and $350 for the purposes of comparing these cards. Approximately $300 does not include the $350 range, unless you think 85 approximately equals 100.

You also can't ignore that the majority of benchmarks show the 7870 to be slower than the 580, with now several benchmarks where it is slower then the 570.

The price difference between the two cards is about 5%, yet the 580 outperforms the 7870 by more than that (8%). Therefore, the 580 is a better card for price/performance. In fact, the only metric that the 7870 is going to be noticeably better in is performance/watt. Both cards overclock well.
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March 16, 2012 3:18:47 PM

legendkiller said:
There's a deal on GTx 580 on Tomshardware and Should I buy it or buy a 7950? GTx 580 is $390 awhile 7950 is $450... Best price for product...


Wait and spend $500 on a Kepler based GPU.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 3:37:06 PM

BigMack70 said:
Stop trolling. Your advice is terrible and misinformed. :non: 


who is trolling man?we are discussing.

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There's a very big difference between $300 and $350 for the purposes of comparing these cards. Approximately $300 does not include the $350 range, unless you think 85 approximately equals 100.


cards aren't out so it's pointless to argue on price points.i got no problem with gtx 580 cuz i own one-
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You also can't ignore that the majority of benchmarks show the 7870 to be slower than the 580, with now several benchmarks where it is slower then the 570.

The price difference between the two cards is about 5%, yet the 580 outperforms the 7870 by more than that (8%). Therefore, the 580 is a better card for price/performance. In fact, the only metric that the 7870 is going to be noticeably better in is performance/watt. Both cards overclock well.


i already said that only extra fps do not justify the whole value.7xxx cards are newer tech.lets say 5970 still holds well against gtx 580 but still we prefer newer tech that is 580.same rule applies here.7870 and 580 perform head to head but i am sure 7870 will have more votes cause it's a newer tech.
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March 16, 2012 3:47:19 PM

"newer tech" is basically meaningless except for the performance/watt metric... the 5970 isn't a good point of comparison because it's a dual-GPU card which has a different set of pros/cons to it. Performance/watt metric will matter to some, but I doubt it is important to the TC or he wouldn't be deciding between the 7950 and the GTX 580 - he would have just purchased the 7950 which uses much less power.

An 8% advantage is not "head to head" in the world of GPUs. If you truly thought that, you would have bought a GTX 570 instead of a GTX 580 for yourself. An 8% advantage is one card solidly beating another.

You come in here, give blatantly wrong information on the price (NOTHING indicates the 7870 will retail at $300... every single review places it at $350), give wrong information about performance, and then refuse to admit when you've been shown to be wrong... yet you're surprised that you get called a troll? That's basically the definition of trolling.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 3:51:45 PM

^okay mate i don't want a debate here.
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 4:14:25 PM

GTX580 for $370 is one hell of a deal I want to get 2 but don't really need it since I run 2x6970 in CF...but Dammm temptation is so strong freaking ridiculous... but I have to wait for Kepler I know it will cause AMD to lower prices...just wait wait and wait...:( 
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March 16, 2012 4:16:48 PM

You might be able to sell those 6970s for enough money that it doesn't cost you too much to upgrade to 580 SLI :) 
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a c 106 U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 4:27:03 PM

If you want to get something now, then I say go with a good deal on the GTX 580. They are priced right now that nVidia hacked the price to make room for Kepler cards. Of course, with 28nm production being stopped and their reported poor yields who knows when you'll be able to get your hands on those so I don't see a point in waiting for them :p 
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 4:58:13 PM

They are 6950 flashed to 6970 ;D
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a b U Graphics card
March 16, 2012 10:11:12 PM

jonathanrhunter said:
Wait and spend $500 on a Kepler based GPU.

I got a Asus SaberTooth X58 and it's PCIe 2.0 so PCIe 3.0 Video Card is kinda pointless because I wont buy a new computer until 4-8 years from now

EDIT: Or until my computer dies...
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March 16, 2012 10:15:07 PM

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