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May 18, 2012 7:23:13 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: within the nest 2 weeks.

Budget Range: 1500-2100$

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Games

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers.

Preferred Website for Parts: newegg

Parts Preferences: Intel, Nvidia

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes, I would like to run 2 video cards.

Monitor Resolution: Have not purchased monitor yet. ((Recommendations?))

Will all of these parts work together? Any advice / upgrade recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

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a b C Monitor
May 18, 2012 7:56:55 PM

With a quick glance at that build it looks pretty good and expensive , but after going through each item I think that you could make a few changes for the better.
Instead of two 560Ti's I would go with a single GTX 670 and part of the reason for that is it's Pci-e 3.0 and you have the other two components that are Pci-e 3.0 ready in the Ivy Bridge cpu and the motherboard. Plus by adding another 679 later on will give you a much more powerful gaming rig and the single 670 can do for now.
I would go with a Samsung 830 SSD over the Corsair , I have had both and prefer the Samsung.
With the Ivy Bridge cpu requiring only 77w to run I don't see the need for the Corsair cooler , you can still get it if you want to but it's not necessary even with overclocking , you can get a very capable cooler for less than half that cost.
You are choosing to go with 16 gb of ram ? You won't use half of that amount and I know that ram is very cheap right now but every little bit saved will add up. I had the resource monitor up while gaming in MW3 and I didn't use more than 5 gb of ram.
Who knows with saving a few bucks here and a few bucks there you could get the second 670 sooner than expected.
I don't know what you will be doing for a monitor and if you have intentions of multiple monitors so this is a good one to consider.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you want to go with multiple monitors then you might want to get smaller because two or three screens will take up a lot of space.
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May 18, 2012 8:02:01 PM

The 932 case is getting a bit "long in the tooth"....I'd opt for the Corsair 500R with your listed PSU or the Antec DF-85 or 1200 w/ CP-850.

The 560 Ti is a great card but not so much for the EVGA model which run at a rather paltry stock 822 Mhz. If staying with last generation, I'd opt for the 900 Mhz versions. This one is a steal at $200 and has the potential for OC's 30+ % over reference speeds.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1201&page=17
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

hard to not look at the GTX 670 at this time as it's a big value leader....assuming you can get one. But for the same price, the twin 560's will still maintain a serious performance lead....100+ fps or about 27% in Guru3D 2011 Game Test Suite

If doing any serious overclocking, I'd avoid Ivy Bridge CPU's and stick w/ a 2500k

Skip the tall toothy heat sinks which will hit ya CPU cooler and get one of these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|20-233-186^20-233-186-TS%2C20-233-196^20-233-196-TS%2C20-233-199^20-233-199-TS

Been totally unimpressed with the H Series coolers. It beats the Phanteks by like 1/4 degree but w/ much more noise .....and w/ the phanteks no worries about leaks.

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Chronos Deluxe is faster, has longer life memory and is cheaper

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4328/mushkin_chronos_d...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Same spec HD for $85 - $15 off w/ promo code EMCNEJE47, ends 5/21
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

64 MB cache version for $99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 18, 2012 8:03:27 PM

Your parts will work together, but I find the build unbalanced.

1) The graphics card is the real engine of gaming. I would never start out with a SLI configuration when a great single graphics card will do the job.
I would try to buy a single GTX680 instead. I know, they are hard to find, but availability is coming. Even a single GTX670 will probably do about as well.

a) How good do you really need to be?
A single GTX560 or 6870 can give you great performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.

A single GTX560ti or 6950 will give you excellent performance at 1920 x 1200 in most games.
Even 2560 x 1600 will be good with lowered detail.
A single 7970 or GTX680 is about as good as it gets.

Only if you are looking at triple monitor gaming, then sli/cf will be needed.
Even that is now changing with triple monitor support on top end cards.

b) The costs for a single card are lower.
You require a less expensive motherboard; no need for sli/cf or multiple pci-e slots.
Even a ITX motherboard will do.

Your psu costs are less.
A GTX560ti needs a 450w psu, even a GTX580 only needs a 600w psu.
When you add another card to the mix, plan on adding 150-200w to your psu requirements.
A single more modern 28nm card like a 7970 or GTX680 needs only 550W.

Case cooling becomes more of an issue with dual cards.
That means a more expensive case with more and stronger fans.
You will also look at more noise.

c) Dual cards do not always render their half of the display in sync, causing microstuttering. It is an annoying effect.
The benefit of higher benchmark fps can be offset, particularly with lower tier cards.
Read this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stut...

d) dual card support is dependent on the driver. Not all games can benefit from dual cards.

e) cf/sli up front reduces your option to get another card for an upgrade. Not that I suggest you plan for that.
It will often be the case that replacing your current card with a newer gen card will offer a better upgrade path.

2) Games rarely use more than two or three cores, so the extra hyperthreads of the 3770 will go largely unused. Also the cpu does not have the ability to overclock like the "K" version. For gaming, you would be better off with a 3570K, and it would cost you less.

3) The sabretooth is an interesting looking board, but you are paying about $50 more for the looks.

4) Cases are a personal thing, buy it if you love it. Spend more on a case to get one you really lust after. You will be looking at it for a long time.
But, you can buy a good cooling case for half that amount.

5) When you buy ram, buy a single kit. Otherwise, compatibility is not guaranteed. I would buy a 2 x 8gb kit which will let you OC a bit better.
And, get a kit with low heat spreaders so they do not impact any cpu coolers.

6) The Corsair H100 is expensive and noisy. They must be mounted to draw cool air into the heat exchanger and disgorge the hot air into the case. That is good for cooling the cou, but is bad for cooling the graphics cards which arguably need it more. The reality is that a simple $20 cooler like the hyper 212 will do the job adequately well. If you installed the 3770 which can't be overclocked, that is all you need. If you will OC with a 3570K, then it would do also, or the Noctua NH-D14 is one of the best air coolers around. In a well ventilated case, it will cool about as well as the H100, and be quieter about it.

7) I love gold rated psu's in a small case, but in a large case with plenty of cooling, it is hard to justify the extra cost. 850w is about right for sli GTX560ti.
But for a GTX680, you only need 550w. Even if you went for a GTX690, you are looking at only a 650w psu.
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May 18, 2012 11:49:38 PM

Thank you all for the very useful information, I really appreciate it!
I am leaning towards an i7... but am willing to consider an i5. Would you recommend the 3570k or the 3770k for OC? Or should I just stick with the 2600k. I'm hoping to make this as future proof as possible.
Also, what would be a good motherboard and psu for the current setup?
Again, thanks a bunch.

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a b C Monitor
May 19, 2012 12:56:47 AM

I noticed that you changed the video card to a 680 However after seeing the benchmarks of the 670 you can save yourself some money by going with the 670 because the performance is almost the same. I don't know what Nvidia is doing but anybody who see's the performance of the two cards side by side will take the 670 every time because for a lot less money you get almost the same performance.
I would go with the 3770K and a z77 motherboard.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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May 19, 2012 2:32:19 AM

If the extra $100 or so over the 2500K or 3750K, then by all means get the 3770K.
The ivy bridge chips will not OC to quite as high a level as sandy bridge, but they are more efficient per clock.
ivy bridge only suffers heat problems when you are pushing the upper limits of the chip, like in the 4.5 + range.
It will make little difference in gaming, but if you ever want to run a heavily threaded app, there is nothing better than the i7.
At about the same cost as a 2600K or 2700K, I would go with the more modern implementation.

For the psu, A 650W unit like the Seasonic X650Gold is about as good as it gets.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Add 200w if you are planning on sli.

Pick your favorite brand with a Z77 chipset; they are all good.
Asus, Asrock, Gigabyte, whatever, I don't think there is a bad board in the bunch. Get the size you need(ATX with 7 expansion slots, M-ATX with 4)

If size of the case is an issue to you, look at the Silverstone TJ08E M-ATX case in my sig. It is virtually silent.
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May 19, 2012 2:40:44 AM

Check my sig.
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