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September 9, 2012 6:15:04 PM

I'd like to stepdown from the i5 2500k and get a cheaper CPU that's still really good so with the money I've saved up I can get a better graphics card. Which would be a good stepdown from the 2500k?

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September 9, 2012 6:17:04 PM

Depends on your final budget, what you want to do with the computer, and what graphics card you want to go from to.

But theres no single graphics card on the market today that will be bottlenecked in any capacity by an i5-2400 (Sandy Bridge) or i5-3450 its Ivy Bridge Equivalent. These are locked multiplier CPUs unlike 2500K. But you could probably drop down even further depending on the factors I already mentioned.
September 9, 2012 6:18:47 PM

DJDeCiBeL said:
An i3 2100/2120 (or even a Phenom II X4 965BE), but the way you worded your post doesn't make much sense.

Do you already have a 2500K? Or were you thinking about getting a 2500K?

If you already have a 2500K, I don't understand your thought process.


Apologies for not clarifying what I was searching for.

I'm looking to build a PC in the next month for £600 Absolute maximum and I would like to lower my CPU slightly to afford a better GPU.

EDIT : I would also like to Overclock in the future , I will be buying a Hyper 212 Evo
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September 9, 2012 6:19:42 PM

An i3 2100/2120 (or even a Phenom II X4 965BE), but the way you worded your post doesn't make much sense.

Do you already have a 2500K? Or were you thinking about getting a 2500K?

If you already have a 2500K, I don't understand your thought process.
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September 9, 2012 6:20:37 PM

And what does this absolute maximum have to cover? Tower only? Tower and Operating system? Tower, operating system, peripherals (keyboard, monitor, mouse, etc?)

And again, what are you looking to do with this computer?

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EDIT : I would also like to Overclock in the future , I will be buying a Hyper 212 Evo


It isn't necessary to overclock an i5-2400/3450 at all in order to have good gaming performance with any video card, even a 7970 GHZ Edition, which you won't be affording on your budget.
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September 9, 2012 6:26:22 PM

The cheapest option is a Phenom II X4 965BE, but the i3's aren't much more.

The thing that the 965 has over the i3's is that it's a true quad core and the i3's are just dual core with HT. In games that don't really utilize more than two cores or that can make use of HT, the i3's will be better, but in games that can utilize more than two cores, or have issues with HT, the 965 will be the better choice.

Edit: I agree with nekulturny though. The lower i5's would be better than either the 965 or the i3's.
September 9, 2012 6:30:43 PM

nekulturny said:
And what does this absolute maximum have to cover? Tower only? Tower and Operating system? Tower, operating system, peripherals (keyboard, monitor, mouse, etc?)

And again, what are you looking to do with this computer?

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EDIT : I would also like to Overclock in the future , I will be buying a Hyper 212 Evo


It isn't necessary to overclock an i5-2400/3450 at all in order to have good gaming performance with any video card, even a 7970 GHZ Edition, which you won't be affording on your budget.



Okay this is what my final build will be unless I can do something better with it:


Custom Sharkoon Tauron Red Mid Tower ATX Case £75.00
XFX HD 6850 £86.02
ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen3 £70.47
Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB £50.09
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz RipjawsX Memory £35.57
G.Skill 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz RipjawsX Memory £35.57
Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz £164.94
OCZ Fatal1ty Series 550W Modular PSU £54.99

Total :£572.65

[No keyboard - Mouse - Screen]

And with this build I will be doing mostly - Photoshop / Gaming / Editing

P.S I like to get the most out of my builds , So i would like to overclock if possible
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September 9, 2012 6:37:06 PM

You wouldn't need to OC with that system, since the 6850 would be the bottleneck. I have a GTX 560 (better than a 6850) and I don't need to OC either (not for gaming, anyway).

Having said that, you still wouldn't need to OC, even if you could get a GTX 680/Radeon 7970. The 2500K is a very strong CPU at stock speeds. There's not much that can make it became the bottleneck (high end SLI/Crossfire is about it).
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September 9, 2012 6:40:43 PM

Too much RAM, get yourself a 2x4GB kit and call it a day. Yes, I have 16GB on my rig, trust me, it was an unnecessary expense.

Also, your case is pretty expensive for your budget, I'd consider going with something more modestly priced if your budget is that tight.

i5-3450 $143
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-3450-1155-...

Asus H77 $71
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-p8h77-v-le-intel-h7...

Seagate 1TB SATA III $58
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-seagate-st1000dm003-...


Corsair Vengeance Low profile 8GB (2x4GB) -$37
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-%282x4gb%29-corsair-...

Corsair CX500v2 $47
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-corsair-builder-ser...

Sapphire 7870 GHZ Edition $233
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-sapphire-radeon-hd-7...

CoolerMaster Elite 430 $38
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-elite-430-a...


Total: 627

Comes in a little over budget, but a powerful setup worth considering nevertheless. Good balance between video card and CPU, but no it does not support overclocking, at your budget, its a feature worth dropping in favor of balance. I understand you want the most out of your build, but at your budget, this is the best way to accomplish it in my firm opinion.
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September 9, 2012 6:42:01 PM

^ That's a great build for the price.
September 9, 2012 6:42:02 PM

DJDeCiBeL said:
You wouldn't need to OC with that system, since the 6850 would be the bottleneck. I have a GTX 560 (better than a 6850) and I don't need to OC either (not for gaming, anyway).

Having said that, you still wouldn't need to OC, even if you could get a GTX 680/Radeon 7970. The 2500K is a very strong CPU at stock speeds. There's not much that can make it became the bottleneck (high end SLI/Crossfire is about it).


May I ask , since you have OC'd to @4.5Ghz Do you see a Big difference in any way from the stock 3.3Ghz?
September 9, 2012 6:42:36 PM

Also I have a feeling I will need the 16GB when it comes to editing rendering & at the moment it fits my budget so I'm fine with it , but thanks for the heads up
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September 9, 2012 6:42:40 PM

rEcR8Z said:
You're looking at in dollars. I'm looking at it in Pounds. My budget (£550) Is equal to $900- And hardware is much cheaper in the USA :( 


The links are from SCAN.co.uk, so if you look, the prices are in GBP.
September 9, 2012 6:44:24 PM

nekulturny said:
Too much RAM, get yourself a 2x4GB kit and call it a day. Yes, I have 16GB on my rig, trust me, it was an unnecessary expense.

Also, your case is pretty expensive for your budget, I'd consider going with something more modestly priced if your budget is that tight.

i5-3450 $143
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-3450-1155-...

Asus H77 $71
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-p8h77-v-le-intel-h7...

Seagate 1TB SATA III $58
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-seagate-st1000dm003-...


Corsair Vengeance Low profile 8GB (2x4GB) -$37
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-%282x4gb%29-corsair-...

Corsair CX500v2 $47
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-corsair-builder-ser...

Sapphire 7870 GHZ Edition $233
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-sapphire-radeon-hd-7...

CoolerMaster Elite 430 $38
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-elite-430-a...


Total: 627

Comes in a little over budget, but a powerful setup worth considering nevertheless. Good balance between video card and CPU, but no it does not support overclocking, at your budget, its a feature worth dropping in favor of balance. I understand you want the most out of your build, but at your budget, this is the best way to accomplish it in my firm opinion.


You're looking at in dollars. I'm looking at it in Pounds. My budget (£550) Is equal to $900- And hardware is much cheaper in the USA :( 
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September 9, 2012 6:44:45 PM

rEcR8Z said:
May I ask , since you have OC'd to @4.5Ghz Do you see a Big difference in any way from the stock 3.3Ghz?


Nope. Not from the CPU OC, anyway. Much larger gains from OC'ing the GPU. The only game I've played that it helps more than just a little is BF3 multiplayer, but that's well known for being CPU intensive.
September 9, 2012 6:46:29 PM

DJDeCiBeL said:
Nope. Not from the CPU OC, anyway. Much larger gains from OC'ing the GPU. The only game I've played that it helps more than just a little is BF3 multiplayer, but that's well known for being CPU intensive.


In that case I may be looking at getting a GTX560 MAYBE TI and stepping down from the i5 2500k to maybe the 2400. What do you think about this?
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September 9, 2012 6:47:31 PM

rEcR8Z said:
In that case I may be looking at getting a GTX560 MAYBE TI and stepping down from the i5 2500k to maybe the 2400. What do you think about this?


A 560 Ti with a 2400 would be good.
September 9, 2012 6:47:52 PM

nekulturny said:
Too much RAM, get yourself a 2x4GB kit and call it a day. Yes, I have 16GB on my rig, trust me, it was an unnecessary expense.

Also, your case is pretty expensive for your budget, I'd consider going with something more modestly priced if your budget is that tight.

i5-3450 $143
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-3450-1155-...

Asus H77 $71
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-p8h77-v-le-intel-h7...

Seagate 1TB SATA III $58
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-seagate-st1000dm003-...


Corsair Vengeance Low profile 8GB (2x4GB) -$37
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/8gb-%282x4gb%29-corsair-...

Corsair CX500v2 $47
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500w-corsair-builder-ser...

Sapphire 7870 GHZ Edition $233
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/2gb-sapphire-radeon-hd-7...

CoolerMaster Elite 430 $38
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-elite-430-a...


Total: 627

Comes in a little over budget, but a powerful setup worth considering nevertheless. Good balance between video card and CPU, but no it does not support overclocking, at your budget, its a feature worth dropping in favor of balance. I understand you want the most out of your build, but at your budget, this is the best way to accomplish it in my firm opinion.


Sorry I didn't realise you made a mistake by putting the $ sign instead of the £.
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September 9, 2012 6:50:05 PM

nekulturny said:
Yea,, I don't know the alt code off the top of my head for your currency symbol


Alt+156 :)  I've gotten to where that's just second nature for me now after helping on the forums, lol.
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September 9, 2012 6:50:28 PM

DJDeCiBeL said:
The links are from SCAN.co.uk, so if you look, the prices are in GBP.

Yea,, I don't know the alt code off the top of my head for your currency symbol and I was too lazy to look it up, but they are UK prices from a UK merchant.

rEcR8Z said:
Also I have a feeling I will need the 16GB when it comes to editing rendering & at the moment it fits my budget so I'm fine with it , but thanks for the heads up

Doubtful, but maybe. My advice in that case would be to start with the 8GB kit I linked you with, and if you find later its not enough to order a 2nd kit. The motherboard I recommended has 4 DIMMs, whether 16GB will be necessary or not (I still doubt it), I can guarantee you as sure as I'm sitting here that you won't need the full 32GB the motherboard technically supports.

rEcR8Z said:
In that case I may be looking at getting a GTX560 MAYBE TI and stepping down from the i5 2500k to maybe the 2400. What do you think about this?


GTX 560 and TI are decent cards, both better than 6850s, but the 7870 GHZ Edition is in a whole other league. 7870 GHZ are up there with GTX 660 TI, GTX 580s.
September 9, 2012 6:52:12 PM

nekulturny said:
Yea,, I don't know the alt code off the top of my head for your currency symbol and I was too lazy to look it up, but they are UK prices from a UK merchant.


Doubtful, but maybe. My advice in that case would be to start with the 8GB kit I linked you with, and if you find later its not enough to order a 2nd kit. The motherboard I recommended has 4 DIMMs, whether 16GB will be necessary or not (I still doubt it), I can guarantee you as sure as I'm sitting here that you won't need the full 32GB the motherboard technically supports.



GTX 560 and TI are decent cards, both better than 6850s, but the 7870 GHZ Edition is in a whole other league. 7870 GHZ are up there with GTX 660 TI, GTX 580s.


Also about the case - I'm really picky with the cases & the cable management. The cases I chose have to have good cable management and Airflow & Call me crazy But the parts inside my PC have to match in colours mostly. Reason why im getting the Red Sharkoon Tauron matching with the rest of my components haha. Thanks for the advice though Guys , I've still to change my mind about the 16GB but I guess the best thing to do would be to try out 8GB like you said.
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September 9, 2012 7:01:57 PM

DJDeCiBeL said:
Alt+156 :)  I've gotten to where that's just second nature for me now after helping on the forums, lol.

Yea thanks lol. I just hardly have the time anymore. Working full time again after being laid off for awhile and college. My significant other left me about a month ago, and I've pretty much become a social recluse during the 3 years I was with him, I post on the forums just to break up the monotony of my day to day, even though I really don't have time to do that anymore.. Hell, I gotta shower for work now *Sigh*.
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September 9, 2012 8:06:25 PM

If you want 16gb then get it in a kit right from the start. 2x8Gb. The last thing you want is quirky problems from slightly mismatched memory because they weren't made from the same batch. Trust me here.

And yes I do recommend 16gb for video editing as well as the best Nvidia card you can afford. Cuda does better than AMD's for gpu acceleration.
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September 10, 2012 2:00:12 PM

popatim said:
If you want 16gb then get it in a kit right from the start. 2x8Gb. The last thing you want is quirky problems from slightly mismatched memory because they weren't made from the same batch. Trust me here.

And yes I do recommend 16gb for video editing as well as the best Nvidia card you can afford. Cuda does better than AMD's for gpu acceleration.


That's simply not true.

AMD Stream is superior to nVIDIA CUDA in terms of Image Quality by a long shot (with Intel Quicksync being slightly better than AMD Stream in IQ). Performance wise... AMD Stream now also tends to surpass nVIDIA CUDA:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i...
http://cuda-atistream-quicksync.reviews.r-tt.com/
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/128681-the-wretche...
http://www.behardware.com/articles/828-8/h-264-encoding...
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September 10, 2012 6:57:47 PM

I didn't believe what popatim said about Nvida either.. But I'll err on the side of caution. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I've never done video editing myself, but I was always told in an odd twist of irony, a powerful video card wasn't necessary anyway to do video editing, as its primarily a CPU intensive workload.

As far as the RAM comment, buying 2 8GB sticks (in non-kit form) as the OP originally planned, does not guarentee the RAM will be of the same batch, and while likely, I don't think buying the RAM in a kit necessarily guarantees it either. The chances of mixed bathes is increased when you buy any brand's "Value series" or whatever they call their budget line, every brand has one. But this is 2012, its not like we're in the days of RAMBUS where RAM had to be very specifically matched, or it wouldn't work.

Now I will say, for as good as Sandy and Ivy Bridge CPUs are, they are indeed quite picky about RAM types, voltage and frequency in comparison to AMD processors. Now since the OP is considering non-K model CPUs at this point, what I'm going to say next wont matter, but... you may be still be better off with 4x 4GB sticks to get your 16GB, as 8GB modules being more dense its my understanding they don't overclock as well.
September 12, 2012 1:18:00 AM

nekulturny said:
I didn't believe what popatim said about Nvida either.. But I'll err on the side of caution. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I've never done video editing myself, but I was always told in an odd twist of irony, a powerful video card wasn't necessary anyway to do video editing, as its primarily a CPU intensive workload.

As far as the RAM comment, buying 2 8GB sticks (in non-kit form) as the OP originally planned, does not guarentee the RAM will be of the same batch, and while likely, I don't think buying the RAM in a kit necessarily guarantees it either. The chances of mixed bathes is increased when you buy any brand's "Value series" or whatever they call their budget line, every brand has one. But this is 2012, its not like we're in the days of RAMBUS where RAM had to be very specifically matched, or it wouldn't work.

Now I will say, for as good as Sandy and Ivy Bridge CPUs are, they are indeed quite picky about RAM types, voltage and frequency in comparison to AMD processors. Now since the OP is considering non-K model CPUs at this point, what I'm going to say next wont matter, but... you may be still be better off with 4x 4GB sticks to get your 16GB, as 8GB modules being more dense its my understanding they don't overclock as well.


I Honestly don't understand which RAM are compatible with which CPU or how you even work out if its compatible since ive only been researching computer in depth for a couple of weeks.

But if you could possibly tell me if the G skill 4x2gb 1600mhz are compatible with the 3570k & z77 Extreme 4 that would do me.
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September 12, 2012 1:37:19 AM

Sure..

Intel Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge only supports 1.5volt DDR3 RAM. You have to be careful checking this, as using a higher voltage RAM like 1.65v will burn out the memory controller on the CPU. Yes, in my opinion is BS that Intel is so picky about it. Further, they only officially support 1333mhz speed. Now when you buy RAM, the number (in your case 1600mhz) is not the speed the RAM will run when its installed, rather its the maximum frequency the manufacturer of the module guarantees it to run at. It doesn't have to nor will it necessarily run at that speed. For example, I have 1600mhz RAM in the system in my sig, by default my Phenom II runs it at 1333mhz, but with my overclock, my RAM is running at 1485mhz.

Now, you might wonder if RAM overclocking is really worth it? Honestly it isn't. Its been benchmarked, RAM frequency has minimal benchmark-able performance difference and zero difference in experience-able difference. My RAM is overclocked only incidentally as my CPU overclock has been done at the base clock which also overclocks the RAM.

Now you can't overclock Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs at the base clock, as they are designed differently in such a way that they have almost no tolerance for it, all Intel overclocking should be done at the multiplier (the "K" as I'm sure you know by now denotes an unlocked and overclockable multiplier) RAM overclocking with Intel is achieved by what is known as "XMP" (extreme memory profile), since as I pointed out, it does nothing in terms of actual performance, I wouldn't bother.

If you install 1600mhz RAM in a new Intel build, the RAM by default will run at 1333mhz. If you're buying a non-K CPU and a non-overclockable motherboard you don't need anything more than 1.5V RAM rated for 1333mhz.

As far as the G.Skill kit, as long as it meets the parameters I mentioned, (1.5volt) should be fine. Although, just to be 100% sure, you should consult the motherboard's owners manual for a list of compatible RAM. Even if you haven't already bought the motherboard in question you can still get a PDF file of the manual from the manufactures website. The list is not conclusive, (it will even have a disclaimer to that affect) because there are thousands of different RAM modules on the market, they can only test so many to verify they work. And as I already pointed out, we have come a long way in the last 10 years, RAM compatibility issues for the most part are a non-issue. G.Skill is a brand I often recommend for people both in AMD and Intel systems, I have yet to hear anyone say anything bad about them, so you should be good.
September 15, 2012 2:57:21 PM

nekulturny said:
Sure..

Intel Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge only supports 1.5volt DDR3 RAM. You have to be careful checking this, as using a higher voltage RAM like 1.65v will burn out the memory controller on the CPU. Yes, in my opinion is BS that Intel is so picky about it. Further, they only officially support 1333mhz speed. Now when you buy RAM, the number (in your case 1600mhz) is not the speed the RAM will run when its installed, rather its the maximum frequency the manufacturer of the module guarantees it to run at. It doesn't have to nor will it necessarily run at that speed. For example, I have 1600mhz RAM in the system in my sig, by default my Phenom II runs it at 1333mhz, but with my overclock, my RAM is running at 1485mhz.

Now, you might wonder if RAM overclocking is really worth it? Honestly it isn't. Its been benchmarked, RAM frequency has minimal benchmark-able performance difference and zero difference in experience-able difference. My RAM is overclocked only incidentally as my CPU overclock has been done at the base clock which also overclocks the RAM.

Now you can't overclock Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs at the base clock, as they are designed differently in such a way that they have almost no tolerance for it, all Intel overclocking should be done at the multiplier (the "K" as I'm sure you know by now denotes an unlocked and overclockable multiplier) RAM overclocking with Intel is achieved by what is known as "XMP" (extreme memory profile), since as I pointed out, it does nothing in terms of actual performance, I wouldn't bother.

If you install 1600mhz RAM in a new Intel build, the RAM by default will run at 1333mhz. If you're buying a non-K CPU and a non-overclockable motherboard you don't need anything more than 1.5V RAM rated for 1333mhz.

As far as the G.Skill kit, as long as it meets the parameters I mentioned, (1.5volt) should be fine. Although, just to be 100% sure, you should consult the motherboard's owners manual for a list of compatible RAM. Even if you haven't already bought the motherboard in question you can still get a PDF file of the manual from the manufactures website. The list is not conclusive, (it will even have a disclaimer to that affect) because there are thousands of different RAM modules on the market, they can only test so many to verify they work. And as I already pointed out, we have come a long way in the last 10 years, RAM compatibility issues for the most part are a non-issue. G.Skill is a brand I often recommend for people both in AMD and Intel systems, I have yet to hear anyone say anything bad about them, so you should be good.


Thanks a lot for this.
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September 15, 2012 7:32:02 PM

nekulturny said:
Sure..

Intel Ivy Bridge/Sandy Bridge only supports 1.5volt DDR3 RAM. You have to be careful checking this, as using a higher voltage RAM like 1.65v will burn out the memory controller on the CPU. Yes, in my opinion is BS that Intel is so picky about it. Further, they only officially support 1333mhz speed. Now when you buy RAM, the number (in your case 1600mhz) is not the speed the RAM will run when its installed, rather its the maximum frequency the manufacturer of the module guarantees it to run at. It doesn't have to nor will it necessarily run at that speed. For example, I have 1600mhz RAM in the system in my sig, by default my Phenom II runs it at 1333mhz, but with my overclock, my RAM is running at 1485mhz.

Now, you might wonder if RAM overclocking is really worth it? Honestly it isn't. Its been benchmarked, RAM frequency has minimal benchmark-able performance difference and zero difference in experience-able difference. My RAM is overclocked only incidentally as my CPU overclock has been done at the base clock which also overclocks the RAM.

Now you can't overclock Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs at the base clock, as they are designed differently in such a way that they have almost no tolerance for it, all Intel overclocking should be done at the multiplier (the "K" as I'm sure you know by now denotes an unlocked and overclockable multiplier) RAM overclocking with Intel is achieved by what is known as "XMP" (extreme memory profile), since as I pointed out, it does nothing in terms of actual performance, I wouldn't bother.

If you install 1600mhz RAM in a new Intel build, the RAM by default will run at 1333mhz. If you're buying a non-K CPU and a non-overclockable motherboard you don't need anything more than 1.5V RAM rated for 1333mhz.

As far as the G.Skill kit, as long as it meets the parameters I mentioned, (1.5volt) should be fine. Although, just to be 100% sure, you should consult the motherboard's owners manual for a list of compatible RAM. Even if you haven't already bought the motherboard in question you can still get a PDF file of the manual from the manufactures website. The list is not conclusive, (it will even have a disclaimer to that affect) because there are thousands of different RAM modules on the market, they can only test so many to verify they work. And as I already pointed out, we have come a long way in the last 10 years, RAM compatibility issues for the most part are a non-issue. G.Skill is a brand I often recommend for people both in AMD and Intel systems, I have yet to hear anyone say anything bad about them, so you should be good.


I'm running 1866mhz RAM on my 2600k and it does give a bit more in terms of fps and Futuremark 3D scores so I have to disagree with you that it does nothing.
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September 15, 2012 7:55:16 PM

Mousemonkey said:
I'm running 1866mhz RAM on my 2600k and it does give a bit more in terms of fps and Futuremark 3D scores so I have to disagree with you that it does nothing.

In most benchmarks, the difference is under 3% going from 1066 to 2133. While this is not exactly nothing, it might just as well be. For most people and applications/games, the price premium is completely out of line with the marginal performance gain.
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September 15, 2012 8:07:10 PM

InvalidError said:
In most benchmarks, the difference is under 3% going from 1066 to 2133. While this is not exactly nothing, it might just as well be. For most people and applications/games, the price premium is completely out of line with the marginal performance gain.

I didn't say it was a huge leap but it is an increase and when you consider the amount of arguments that are ongoing over the couple of frames per sec that one GPU has over the another it seems that every percent counts.
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September 15, 2012 11:57:57 PM

Mousemonkey said:
I'm running 1866mhz RAM on my 2600k and it does give a bit more in terms of fps and Futuremark 3D scores so I have to disagree with you that it does nothing.

Well, when I say nothing, perhaps I should clarify.. Yes, there is a miniscule difference, but the cost to performance ratio for RAM above 1600mhz rated is heavily out of proportion.

Futuremark 3D is a synthetic bench, so theres not much to be said for that in my opinion. about how much more FPS would you say you're experiencing with the RAM overclock? If you're already getting good FPS at stock RAM speeds, I don't see the point personally, but we may have to agree to disagree on it.

Mousemonkey said:
I didn't say it was a huge leap but it is an increase and when you consider the amount of arguments that are ongoing over the couple of frames per sec that one GPU has over the another it seems that every percent counts.



LOL, I tend to be the one that says nobody will ever notice a 2-5FPS in those kinds of arguments that break out here. So thats where I'm coming from on the RAM overclocking issue.
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