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September 11, 2012 2:43:15 PM

Hello,

Is LGA 2011 another LGA 1156 (short-Lived) or another LGA 1366 (long-lived)? How will LGA 2011 will evolve? Support 8-core? Stop at 6-core?

I did find some infos, but not enough to help me make an Informed Choice. Some are old (a potential release of a Ivy Bridge-E for LGA 2011). Maybe I didnt search enough...

I ask because, I am planning to buy a new computer. I am ready to put around 2000$ in it, but I am still dont know what to choose between a 2011 and 1155.

Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 + i7-3770 = CAN$638
Or
Asus SABERTOOTH X79 + i7-3820 = CAN$738

Please consider the following :

I have a strong interest in Sabertooth because of the 5 years warranty;
I dont plan to overclock;
I will only install a single GPU (GTX 670);
I am not a big gamer, but when I buy a game I like to play at full settings;
I will do some video editing;
I want a computer that still be reliable in 4-5 years.

Maybe I am bit enthousiast and a P8Z77-V LK + i5-3550 (for CAN$418) will be enough for now and a few years.

Thanks in advance for your input and your time.

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September 11, 2012 2:50:47 PM

It's probably closer to 1366 but that doesn't make it brilliant. Out of the 3820 and 3770 definitely go with the 3770 which is more powerful and cheaper :lol: 

You don't really need a 5 year warranty though. If it's going to fail it will most likely fail within the first year, and in 5 year all technology is obsolete anyway. Instead of spending thousands now spend less and upgrade in 2-3 years.
September 11, 2012 2:57:56 PM

I have started to replace my boards with the Sabertooth boards. My first is a X58 1366 with a i7-950 and is now my backup game machine. My primary Game machine has a X79 2011 board now, see sig. I over clock both with no problems.
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September 11, 2012 3:06:03 PM

None of today's Intel sockets will still be around in 3-4 years.

The last CPUs for LGA2011 will likely be IB-E due out in late 2012.
Haswell will be LGA1150.
Broadwell will integrate the IO hub in the CPU MCP so will most likely require a different socket as well.

So I expect Intel to go through at least three mainstream CPU sockets over the next four years.
September 11, 2012 4:41:50 PM

Thank you all for your answers

FinneousPJ said:
It's probably closer to 1366 but that doesn't make it brilliant. Out of the 3820 and 3770 definitely go with the 3770 which is more powerful and cheaper :lol: 

The store where I will but the CPU sells the 3770 and 3820 at the same price. The $100 difference is the MBO (see my first post)

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Instead of spending thousands now spend less and upgrade in 2-3 years.

Thanks for the advice but I am use to keep my computer for 5-6 years.

InvalidError said:
None of today's Intel sockets will still be around in 3-4 years.

I agree, but some CPU like i7-9xx are still doing a decent job in 2012 (four years after his release).
I think that a P8Z77-V LK + i5-3550 will not do a decent job in 2015, but a Asus SABERTOOTH X79 + i7-3820 will. Especially if I update the CPU for a 6-core IB-E.

Am I wrong?
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September 11, 2012 5:48:43 PM

The 3570K was released this year.

Both the i5 and i7 will be humiliated by what 2015 has to offer.
September 11, 2012 5:57:48 PM

FinneousPJ said:
The 3570K was released this year.


Oups, my mistake... and a big one, sorry that.

I edited my previous post.
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September 11, 2012 6:00:05 PM

pango said:
Thanks for the advice but I am use to keep my computer for 5-6 years.


Unless you just browse the internet and only play "light" games, nothing you build today will keep you happy for 5-6 years. It just won't happen. You could throw a 3960x and SLI GTX 690's in it, and it would still be hurting a bit in 5-6 years.

And IB-E won't really be worth buying at its price point (if it's anything like 1155 Ivy is to 1155 Sandy. Just not enough of a performance increase to make it worthwhile).
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September 11, 2012 6:03:39 PM

What I'm saying with that is that you shouldn't spend more than need to now to "future proof" because that doesn't exist. Spend less now (for the overall system) and upgrade in 3 years.
September 11, 2012 6:48:41 PM

DJDeCiBeL said:
What I'm saying with that is that you shouldn't spend more than need to now to "future proof" because that doesn't exist. Spend less now (for the overall system) and upgrade in 3 years.


I understand your point of view. The more I read here and there and with all your replies. I understand that you have to avoid being enthousiast.

i5-3550 + P8Z77 is almost half the cost of my previous "dream pc" (Asus SABERTOOTH X79 + i7-3820).
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September 11, 2012 6:55:38 PM

It depends on how you build your machine and what choice parts that you used. Most users typically try to get the most out of their machines (trying to be cheap) before buying a new rig. The problem for game rigs that get a lot of use more often than anything else is failures and the need for upgrades just to be playable. I would expect that your machine will end up doing low ress five years down the line but upgrading the cards is one way of getting an extra year to two years out of a machine.

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September 11, 2012 7:40:27 PM
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As a general rule we try to give our server products (of which socket 2011 is, just like 1366 was) at least a two year life cycle to help businesses with thier hardware planning. So while I have not seen anything set on a lifespan of socket 2011 I would think it would be like our other server products and likely to see a longer lifespan out of it.
September 11, 2012 8:12:53 PM

IntelEnthusiast said:
As a general rule we try to give our server products (of which socket 2011 is, just like 1366 was) at least a two year life cycle to help businesses with thier hardware planning. So while I have not seen anything set on a lifespan of socket 2011 I would think it would be like our other server products and likely to see a longer lifespan out of it.


Thank you for the reply. Maybe the socket 2011 is not the right choice for me then since its more a server product then a desktop product.

However as a consumer, I am a bit worry by this kind of news.

The slide* also indicates that the next generation Haswell micro architecture, the successor to Sandy Bridge, is being pushed back until the first half of 2013. Having Haswell and Ivy Bridge-E overlap could be bad news for those that have invested in LGA 2011 as the former could very well outperform the latter, thus putting an end to LGA 2011's short reign as Intel’s performance platform.

*http://www.techspot.com/news/47849-ivy-bridge-e-delayed...
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September 11, 2012 8:36:07 PM

Why are you worried? I mea people invest $50 000 in a 2012 BMW or Merc when everybody knows there's a new model every year. That's how it works.
September 11, 2012 9:01:09 PM


Intel is not offering folks any good options for socket longevity right now. 2011 is the performance king currently, but I also think that will be short lived when Haswell comes out it will be obsolete (imo).

2011 is also behind 1155 with ivy bridge, though again IB-E will eventually show up, but as posted earlier not worth the price differential.

My bottom line - get 1155 with Ivy.
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September 12, 2012 3:34:13 AM

suddenstop said:
My bottom line - get 1155 with Ivy.

And upgrade to Broadwell or whatever will be current-gen 3-4 years down the line with the cash saved by not going for SB-E + IB-E upgrade on LGA2011. Same total cost but a whole lot more bang-per-buck and half a "new" system to use your other spare parts on.
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September 12, 2012 7:10:44 AM

It is the replacement to the 1366 platform, just crapper. I hade a Rampage 3 with 990X that chip was legitimately better than any CPU of the time and by a large margin....contrast the 3960 barely beats a 3770 in gaming performance, and as a professional system pales to a Xeon. When I did more professional part time work I used a EVGA SR2 with dual Xeons....that was fast.

2011 is nice until the novalty wears off.
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September 12, 2012 12:02:06 PM

sarinaide said:
contrast the 3960 barely beats a 3770 in gaming performance

Most games can barely make effective use of more than two cores on i5-2500/3570, throwing hyperthreading and two more cores at games is obviously a waste and will remain a waste for the foreseeable future. I look at i7/i7-extreme more as entry-level workstation CPUs with high-end gaming side-job credentials than as actual high-end gaming chips.
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September 12, 2012 4:22:13 PM

Yeah, thats the thing the 990X catagorically beat every intel chip at everything in its time and worthy of the "Extreme" tag, sadly that is no longer the case.
September 12, 2012 8:42:10 PM

suddenstop said:

My bottom line - get 1155 with Ivy.


Again thank you all for your input.

What should I buy then :

CPU
I5-3550 at CAN$239
or
I7-3770 at CAN$349

MBO
Asus P8Z77-V at CAN$179
or
Asus SABERTOOTH Z77 at CAN$289

From the various input from all the members who replied to this thread, My guest is :
I5-3550 + P8Z77

Thanks
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September 12, 2012 9:26:20 PM

i5 if you just intend to play games, i7 if you intend to use multi-threaded applications & video editing software.

Also, make sure to get the "K" CPU for the unlocked multiplier to OC your CPU and get the most out of it.

MOBOs only differ in their "luxury" as I call, additional PCIE slots, Wifi & Bluetooth, USB 3.0 ports and bla bla bla so pick the right options for you.
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September 13, 2012 1:01:14 AM

ilysaml said:
Also, make sure to get the "K" CPU for the unlocked multiplier to OC your CPU and get the most out of it.

Well, OP said "no plan to overclock" so unless he changes his mind, K would be a waste of $20-30.

Motherboard-wise, unless OP needs more than 2xSATA3 and 4xUSB3, almost any h77 board (or z77 if OP changes his mind about not planning to OC) would do, that's another $30 shaved off.
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September 13, 2012 2:19:30 AM

LGA2011 is likely another LGA1366 in general lifespan. Putting the IMC in a chip and then rolling PCIe and a bunch of the northbridge onboard makes for sockets that have 2-3 generations of lifespan at best. Look at what has come from Intel and AMD as far as server sockets- and LGA1366 and 2011 are definitely server sockets.

Intel:
- Slot 2: 250 nm PII and PIII onboard cache Xeon
- Socket 603: 180 and 130 nm 400 FSB 2P & 4P server
- Socket 604: Used forever for 130 nm 533 FSB 2P/4P server up to 45 nm 6-core Xeon Dunnington although with multiple platform changes.
- Socket 771: 65 nm Presler DP, 65 nm Woodcrest/Clovertown DP, 45 nm Wolfdale-DP/Harpertown DP
- LGA1366: 45 nm Nehalem UP/DP, 32 nm Gulftown UP/DP
- LGA1567: 45 nm Nehalem-EX 2-8P, 32 nm Westmere-E 2-8P
- LGA2011: 32 nm SB/SB-EP 1-2P, 32 nm SB-EX 2-8P, probably 22 nm IB parts as well.

AMD:
- Socket 940: 130 nm single-core 1-8P, 90 nm single-core 2-8P, 90 nm dual-core/DDR 2-8P
- Socket F: 90 nm/DDR2 2-8P, 65 nm 2-8P, 45 nm quad-core/DDR2 2-8P, 45 nm/DDR2 six-core. Most boards could run either the duals and quads OR quads and sixes, but not all four chips.
- Socket C32: 45 nm/DDR3 4/6 core 1-2P, 32 nm Bulldozer (Valencia) 1-2P, 32 nm Piledriver 1-2P
- Socket G34 45 nm/DDR3 8/12-core 2-4P, 32 nm Bulldozer (Interlagos) 2-4P, 32 nm Piledriver 2-4P

So in general, 2-3 generations per socket max with IMC-equipped chips.
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September 13, 2012 3:13:38 AM

MU_Engineer said:
So in general, 2-3 generations per socket max with IMC-equipped chips.

It was already 2-3 generations even for pre-IMC chips, so not much change there.

The Haswell LGA1150 socket is likely to follow LGA1156's lead as a single-generation socket since Broadwell will upgrade to DDR4 and integrate the IOHub.
September 14, 2012 9:14:51 PM

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