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May 22, 2012 4:19:12 AM

I am planning to build my first desktop rig for freelancing architecture work in Revit, 3ds max, revit and Photoshop. (maybe some gaming on the side)

Approximate Purchase Date: 5/28/12

Budget Range:$1,700

System Usage from Most to Least Important: 3D Modeling with vray, Revit, photoshop, illustrator and lastly BF3.


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon

Country: usa, California

Parts Preferences: Intel Processor, Asus MOBO, Nvidia GPU

Overclocking: no

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

I have researched the parts. Please let me know what you think of the components.

1. NVIDIA Quadro 2000 by PNY 1GB
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0046HSHD0/ref=ox_sc_a...

2. ASUS Deluxe Intel Z77 ATX DDR3 2600 LGA 1155 Motherboard P8Z77-V DELUXE
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007G51VEQ/ref=ox_sc_a...

3. Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

4. Samsung 830-Series MZ-7PC128B/WW 128GB SATA III MLC Internal SSD 6.0 Gb-s 2.5-Inch MZ-7PC128B

5. Corsair Obsidian 650D Aluminum Mid Tower ATX Enthusiast Computer Case - Black CC650DW-1

6. Corsair Professional Series 650-Watt 80 Plus Certified Power Supply compatible with Intel and AMD Platforms - CMPSU-650HX

7. G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-16GBXL -

8. Intel Core i7 3770K processor 3.5 4 LGA 1155 BX80637I73770K

9. Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack - Microsoft Software; DVD-ROM


I do not have a specific monitor in mind because I am not sure which one is best suited for rendering and color. I usually bring my work around with an external drive, but if you can recommend a good internal storage drive, that would be awesome. Can you help me check to see if the parts will go together since I have never done this before.

Thanks!!!
Simon.

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May 22, 2012 4:53:18 AM

intel processors with a "k" are unlocked so they can be overclocked . If you wont do that then just buy a 3770 rather than the 3770k .

The RAM may be cheaper as a 4 x4 gig kit . Make sure its 1.5 volt or less , and ideally with cl8 ,or lower, timings

All motherboards with a particular chipset [ in this case Z77] perform identically . Paying for a high end overclocking and multi graphics card board is not worth it for this build . You could pay less than half that much and have the exact same experience .
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any money you save can be used on a more powerful quaddro . That's where its likely to pay off most
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May 22, 2012 4:54:50 AM

What you have is great. The parts all fit together well. However there are two things I would change. The graphics card you have chosen not very good at all. It offers the performance of a $100 gpu for 4x the price. I'd recommend the GTX 570. It one of the best graphics cards and fits within the budget. http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclocked-Lifetime-Warran.... Also you may also want 1600MHz ram instead of 1333MHz. Here is one that is actually a bit less than your current RAM: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Channel-Memory-.... Here's a good 2tb drive: http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Desktop-WD...
If you keep everything else the same then the total is $1,702.35. For a monitor you should get a LED. They are clearer and don't look yellow like LCDs when you look at it from different angles. In terms of size bigger is usually better. You would probably want at least a 20 inch, but it's all up to personal preference.
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May 22, 2012 4:57:41 AM

Forget what I said about the quaddro, I didn't realize it was designed for 3D editing, but I agree with Outlander that you should use any saved money to get a faster one.
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May 22, 2012 5:06:28 AM

For a monitor you should get an IPS panel . Better viewing angles , better color adjustment
The Dell's are great , but there are others
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May 22, 2012 6:13:09 AM

Thanks for all the quick replies!!

1. Graphic card:
I found this comment review:
"Majority of rendering engines are GPU base now, so you might not need this mid range Quadro if you don't deal with modeling much. You still need a quadro card for setting up the scene. Nowadays the common setup for rendering pro is, get a entry level quadro fermi card for display and modeling; and get one or two Geforce GTX card for rendering. GeForce GTX are in PCI slots but not connected to any monitors. And only install Quadro driver for display. Rendering engines will seek out all available GPU on your machine."

Will this setup be better in performance and cost? Because the Quadro 4000 is around $750. The Quadro 2000 ($400) + Evga 560 ti 2gb ($280) = $680. The cost is around the same.

2. Motherboard:
The Asus p8z77 has different kinds of -v, deluxe, - pro etc. Outlander, you recommended the p8z77 -v LX. What is the difference between all of them besides the overclocking function.

3. Ram:
willze7, I was hoping to leave space so that I can upgrade to the max of 32 gb in the future. Do you think that I also need to leave some space for the Cooler Master at the core?

4. Monitor:
Outlander, is it the Dell UltraSharp 24" monitor?

Thanks again!! You guys are so helpful.
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May 22, 2012 6:20:51 AM

Yes, but the U2312HM is just as good.
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May 22, 2012 6:27:44 AM

azeem40 said:
Yes, but the U2312HM is just as good.


wow, 1 inch difference = $100......

Thanks, I think that the 23" might be worth it
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May 22, 2012 6:31:53 AM

Actually, it is because of the res of 1920x1200. 120 extra vertical pixels.
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May 22, 2012 6:36:36 AM

I think the graphics card suggestion is to use multple cards in an SLI situation . Then you would need a motherboard with multiple pci-e x 16 graphics card slots .
Can you link to the source of that comment?

Some of my work is CAD design . Monitor size is important . I'd prefer the 30 inch Dell [ but use a 24 inch Samsung] . The 23 inch ultrasharp Dell uses a cheaper/newer kind of IPS panel .
It would be worth searching monitors on newegg . It must be possible to search for IPS panels . LG , Samsung, and Viewsonic may have suitable products
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May 22, 2012 6:38:08 AM

Both 23" and 24" use e-IPS with 6-bit color + sRGB.
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May 22, 2012 6:48:08 AM

Outlander_04 said:
I think the graphics card suggestion is to use multple cards in an SLI situation . Then you would need a motherboard with multiple pci-e x 16 graphics card slots .
Can you link to the source of that comment?

Some of my work is CAD design . Monitor size is important . I'd prefer the 30 inch Dell [ but use a 24 inch Samsung] . The 23 inch ultrasharp Dell uses a cheaper/newer kind of IPS panel .
It would be worth searching monitors on newegg . It must be possible to search for IPS panels . LG , Samsung, and Viewsonic may have suitable products



Here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-DisplayPort-Profesional-Graph...

For the monitor, the monitor is going to push me past my $1700 budget. So I am planning to use my old 17" monitor for the time being. Hopefully, I can upgrade to two 21" or 23" monitors to get more space. I'll have to do more research. Hopefully, July 4th will be an early X-mas.
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May 22, 2012 6:55:03 AM

Outlander_04 said:
I think the graphics card suggestion is to use multple cards in an SLI situation . Then you would need a motherboard with multiple pci-e x 16 graphics card slots .
Can you link to the source of that comment?

Some of my work is CAD design . Monitor size is important . I'd prefer the 30 inch Dell [ but use a 24 inch Samsung] . The 23 inch ultrasharp Dell uses a cheaper/newer kind of IPS panel .
It would be worth searching monitors on newegg . It must be possible to search for IPS panels . LG , Samsung, and Viewsonic may have suitable products


The ASUS P8Z77-V LX has:

PCI Express 3.0 x16 - 2 (x16/0 or x8/x8). Does this mean that I can have two different graphic card? Do they have to be the same model? Or can I mix the workstation with the game card?
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May 22, 2012 6:59:21 AM

Same, yes.
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May 22, 2012 7:17:02 AM

Thanks again,

Here is my updated components:

1. Motherboard:
Asus P8Z77-V LK Intel X58 DDR3 LGA 1155 Motherboards

So that it can support 2x PCI-E

2. Graphic Card:
EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 2048 MB GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 2DVI/Mini-HDMI SLI Ready Graphics Card, 02G-P3-1568-KR

I am thinking of buying 2 of this and using the SLI???

3. Intel Core:
Intel Core i7 3770 processor 3.4 4 LGA 1155 BX80637I73770

This is the Ivy Bridge right? It will be helpful in 3ds max rendering with the processor power.

4. Ram:
Corsair Vengeance 16 GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1600MHz PC3 240 Pin DIMM Memory CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10

Upgraded to the 1600mhz and 2x 8gb to leave room for future upgrades.

5. Monitor: Not sure still
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May 22, 2012 7:41:18 AM

If you are rendering then use the quaddro . It will be faster than a gaming card .

The quote you gave before :
"Majority of rendering engines are GPU base now, so you might not need this mid range Quadro if you don't deal with modeling much. You still need a quadro card for setting up the scene. Nowadays the common setup for rendering pro is, get a entry level quadro fermi card for display and modeling; and get one or two Geforce GTX card for rendering. GeForce GTX are in PCI slots but not connected to any monitors. And only install Quadro driver for display. Rendering engines will seek out all available GPU on your machine."
suggests the quaddro driver is going to use the graphics processing power of a gaming card if its also added . I'd like to know where that came from and how that system is set up . Thanks
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May 22, 2012 1:47:02 PM

Outlander_04 said:
If you are rendering then use the quaddro . It will be faster than a gaming card .

The quote you gave before :
"Majority of rendering engines are GPU base now, so you might not need this mid range Quadro if you don't deal with modeling much. You still need a quadro card for setting up the scene. Nowadays the common setup for rendering pro is, get a entry level quadro fermi card for display and modeling; and get one or two Geforce GTX card for rendering. GeForce GTX are in PCI slots but not connected to any monitors. And only install Quadro driver for display. Rendering engines will seek out all available GPU on your machine."
suggests the quaddro driver is going to use the graphics processing power of a gaming card if its also added . I'd like to know where that came from and how that system is set up . Thanks



I found it in a Amazon review for the Quadro. But he didn't say what setup his using.

http://www.amazon.com/PNY-DisplayPort-Profesional-Graph...
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May 22, 2012 1:59:20 PM

If the quadro + gtx is a possibility and the drivers don't conflict with each other. I hope to be able to set up a lower priced quadro, since the quadro 4000 is really expensive.
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May 22, 2012 8:41:26 PM

I do not think the quadro + gaming card is a possibility

http://www.nvidia.fr/object/quadro_sli_faq_in.html
What NVIDIA Quadro graphics cards can work together in an SLI configuration?
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600, 5500, 4600, 4500, 4400, 3500, 3450, 3400, 1500, 1400, 560, 550, 540 and 350 cards are SLI enabled and can work in an SLI configured multi-GPU system. Two identical cards are required for SLI Frame Rendering and SLI FSAA .
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I'd say stick with a card designed specifically for rendering .
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May 23, 2012 5:04:10 AM

Outlander_04 said:
I do not think the quadro + gaming card is a possibility

http://www.nvidia.fr/object/quadro_sli_faq_in.html
What NVIDIA Quadro graphics cards can work together in an SLI configuration?
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600, 5500, 4600, 4500, 4400, 3500, 3450, 3400, 1500, 1400, 560, 550, 540 and 350 cards are SLI enabled and can work in an SLI configured multi-GPU system. Two identical cards are required for SLI Frame Rendering and SLI FSAA .
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I'd say stick with a card designed specifically for rendering .


Thanks for the link. now I am questioning the graphic card. After I consider the monitor, I am thinking about using more like 2 monitors. I read that 3ds max rendering uses the CPU for rendering and something to do with the Cuda tech? And now vray is using more gpu? But again, I will be using revit to work and photoshop to compose interiors.

I think I have narrowed down to a couple of cards.

Quadro 2000 and the 4000. The 4000 is $750 and is out of my price range and I am not sure if the 2000 with its 1 gb will be enough.

Evga 560 ti is at $270 for 2 gb and I can use the savings for a additiona monitor.

Evga 580 with its 3gb is at $500 dollars, which might enough power as well.

I am thinking of render farm later with this pc when i need to upgrade and am not sure which programs will benefit from the card.

Is 650watts psu enough to handle this buid?
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May 23, 2012 5:09:26 AM

Should I spend the money on the CPU? Which component is the most important to productivity.

Guys, thanks again for all your answers, this all is very confusing and so many questions keep coming up.
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May 24, 2012 2:59:33 AM

Best answer selected by xie152.
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July 18, 2012 8:21:37 AM

Hi Xie152 I was wondering if you could tell me what you ended up using?

I am looking at a similar build and am unsure as to what graphic card to use..

Many thanks
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January 15, 2013 4:13:57 PM

ashsa_86 said:
Hi Xie152 I was wondering if you could tell me what you ended up using?

I am looking at a similar build and am unsure as to what graphic card to use..

Many thanks


Hi,

I'm sorry, didn't check post in a long time.

I ended up with the EVGA GeForce GTX 580 CLASSIFIED ULTRA because I am a gamer as well. But wish I went with the quadro 2000 for work.

Hope it isn't too late.

- ShiMing.
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