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Upgrade from 580 to 680 worth it ?

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March 22, 2012 10:03:36 PM

My specs are as follows :

core i7 2600k
asus maximus iv z68
1.5gb gtx 580

I was wondering if i should even be considering upgrading to a 680, or if i should just get another 580 since they have come down in price some. I'm also unsure about any performance loss when using a pci 3 card on a pci 2 board, and i really don't feel like replacing my motherboard.

Any input at all would be much appreciated.

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March 22, 2012 10:17:54 PM

R you going to upgrade from a 680 to a 780 too???
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March 22, 2012 10:19:13 PM

lol yes it is worth it as you have probably seen on many review thus far, the 680 matches and sometimes exceeds the 590 and 6990!
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March 22, 2012 11:05:23 PM

Correct the 580 vrs the 680 you may see 20 fps more but there no new eyecandy with dx 11.1.
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March 22, 2012 11:11:47 PM

Yeah it doesn't really seem worth it. Buying another 580 off of someone is probably the best way to go eh ?
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March 22, 2012 11:13:03 PM

i'm getting a 580 for my first rig and then I'll just save up to get another for SLI
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March 22, 2012 11:13:56 PM

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Whats the point because with a single GTX 580 already in the vast majority of games it gets 80 to over 200fps as is so whats another 20fps LOL


Most games yes, but BF3 and Arkham City dip down lower than i would like sometimes.
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March 22, 2012 11:14:42 PM

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IMO just OC the GTX 580 and no it's not worth the upgrade to GTX 680 if you already have a GTX 580 especially if you can SLI the gTX580 like I say IMHO


Like he said.

If you have a 580 your bether buying a second then going for a 680 then later on a 780 etc.

Buying the new generation GPU everytimes cost a lot more then buying a second GPU at a lower price assuming your PSu can take it.
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March 22, 2012 11:16:32 PM

grinius88 said:
Most games yes, but BF3 and Arkham City dip down lower than i would like sometimes.


Arkham city, Yes but Battleifeld 3? The 580 delivers very good fps with that game
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March 22, 2012 11:29:16 PM

A GTX 580 is more than enough to play Diablo III at max settings and that's all that matters come May 15th.
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March 22, 2012 11:31:41 PM

I haven't seen enough reviews but 2 580s I think outperform a 680 in most cases
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March 22, 2012 11:32:46 PM

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Not 60fps min good


Depends what you'v got the settings at, My self, Im happy to play at 1366x768 and at medium settings
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March 22, 2012 11:39:50 PM

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True it's all subjective to ones own experiences and opinions me I am happy with my 1680x1050 monitor and 60hz fps min with Vsync on.


Just a quick off topic question. Roughly how much does vsync affect fps?
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March 22, 2012 11:43:43 PM

So what does vsync actaully do? :L
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March 22, 2012 11:46:47 PM

grinius88 said:
My specs are as follows :

core i7 2600k
asus maximus iv z68
1.5gb gtx 580

I was wondering if i should even be considering upgrading to a 680, or if i should just get another 580 since they have come down in price some. I'm also unsure about any performance loss when using a pci 3 card on a pci 2 board, and i really don't feel like replacing my motherboard.

Any input at all would be much appreciated.



i would rather wait for gk110(if nvidia ever have this line) than getting gtx 680 if i were you. it's like replacing a gtx680 over gtx 580 like replace a super overclock 9800gtx over a stock clock 8800gtx. it's totally waste of money to spend on a card which would only give you a 10% increase.
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March 22, 2012 11:52:46 PM

Bugger the 680 actually. I think i'll buy another 580. I'm sick of the pricing in Australia.

I still have to pay $540 AUD for a GTX 580. A 680 starts at $650. What a load of ***.
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March 22, 2012 11:53:17 PM

I would wait till Nvidia gets their cards out so that GC prices drop. Then you can decide which you want to go with. Also getting a new generation means you can sli or crossfire later with better options. Also, nice rig!
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March 23, 2012 12:07:31 AM

with my 580 I could play Arkham city at 60 fps everything maxed, the lowest I saw was just 30fps and that's when saving the game, maybe just because my monitor is 1440x900, but that's enough for me, I'm not blind :p .

I was thinking the same, change or not to change... so no, I won't change, i'll get a SLI if needed and have fun till 700 or better. I survived 7 years with intel extreme graphics 2 lol...
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March 23, 2012 12:18:45 AM

Thanks for the replys. I'll probably just get a second hand 580 and wait until there is a bigger leap in performance.

Thumbs up to the D3 comment.
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March 23, 2012 12:21:54 AM

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Theres always the stickler games like you say BF3, Batman AC, Metro 2033, and Crysis and Witcher 2 with Uber sampling on and there is a few more that could use more power or specifically the programmers could have optimized the code a bit more but really how many of those games do you play/own I own Metro 2033 and thats just for benchmarking reasons LOL. PS I own the Witcher 2 and dam I would love to have the power to enable Uber sampling with 60fps. I guess in the end there always more room for some JELLO but I would be content with one GTX 580 on my 1680x1050 rez monitor.


I don't have metro, but i have tried witcher 2 with ubersampling at 1080p and it owns my framerate hard.
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March 23, 2012 12:37:14 AM

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Theres always the stickler games like you say BF3, Batman AC, Metro 2033, and Crysis and Witcher 2 with Uber sampling on and there is a few more that could use more power or specifically the programmers could have optimized the code a bit more but really how many of those games do you play/own I own Metro 2033 and thats just for benchmarking reasons LOL. PS I own the Witcher 2 and dam I would love to have the power to enable Uber sampling with 60fps. I guess in the end there always more room for some JELLO but I would be content with one GTX 580 on my 1680x1050 rez monitor.


It might be enough for you on a low res monitor like that but try a single 580 on a high end 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 screen and it is not. In those cases you need a 680 or 580's in SLI to run max over 60 fps. I cant stand gaming on the standard so called "HD" 1080 monitors, it looks too grainy to me.
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March 23, 2012 12:58:13 AM

I say go for the 680. According to the Tom's review it's faster than a GTX 590 and nearly 1.75x better than a single GTX 580. At this time you can still sell your're GTX 580 for $300+ which means a GTX 680 will only run you around $200 which is way cheaper than plunking down another $400 for another GTX 580 for SLI which won't even net you the same performance as the upgraded GTX 680.
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March 23, 2012 12:59:41 AM

Sli 580's beat one 680, simple
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March 23, 2012 1:18:16 AM

Ahh crap, you guys are right. I skimmed the article too quickly. It is pretty close though. And like I said, sell the card plus $200 is still cheaper than $400 for another GTX 580 for darn near equivalent performance and better noise and power consumption figures.
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March 23, 2012 1:36:13 AM

Firstly it depends what resolution you'll be playing at. You seemed to hint that you played at 1080p and if this is true then dual 580's will work very well for your fps in pure performance terms. What you're ignoring though is the power and heat two 580's create. What case are you using? Do you have sufficient cooling for two 580's in it? What PSU do you have? Do you have an issue with possibility having micro stutter during gaming?

This isn't directed at the OP, but it always surprises me when people spend thousands of dollars on their rigs and hundreds on graphics cards and play at tiny resolutions or monitors that mutilate colours and graphics.
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March 23, 2012 5:58:11 AM

seumas_beathan said:
Just a quick off topic question. Roughly how much does vsync affect fps?

Theoretically, VSync should only affect a game if it is preforming more than you monitor's refresh rate. I.e, if you have a 60hz monitor, it will only trim any instances of 61fps or more in an effort to eliminate screen tearing. However, some games f*** it up and enabling Vsync will cause your fps to suffer more than it should -- *hrm hrm* Arkham City.
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March 23, 2012 6:07:32 AM

87ninefiveone said:
I say go for the 680. According to the Tom's review it's faster than a GTX 590 and nearly 1.75x better than a single GTX 580. At this time you can still sell your're GTX 580 for $300+ which means a GTX 680 will only run you around $200 which is way cheaper than plunking down another $400 for another GTX 580 for SLI which won't even net you the same performance as the upgraded GTX 680.

Not for long, 580s are already dropping bellow $400 on new egg. You can get a Twin Frozer for $389! I would imaging you may have a hard time selling a used 580 for much unless it's a Classified or has a water block.
Me personally, I'm screwed either way. I'll either need a new PSU to SLI which with the card will cost roughly $500+ or buy a 680 which will also cost roughly $500+ :`(
Luckily(I guess) there really aren't many games that NEED that kind of power on a 1680x1050 monitor yet, but playing Metro 2033 at 60fps would be nice.
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March 23, 2012 6:50:00 AM

grinius88 said:
My specs are as follows :

core i7 2600k
asus maximus iv z68
1.5gb gtx 580

I was wondering if i should even be considering upgrading to a 680, or if i should just get another 580 since they have come down in price some. I'm also unsure about any performance loss when using a pci 3 card on a pci 2 board, and i really don't feel like replacing my motherboard.

Any input at all would be much appreciated.

Dude, if you want the best, just get a 7970.
HA! I kid, I kid.
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March 23, 2012 8:07:07 AM

grinius88 said:
My specs are as follows :

core i7 2600k
asus maximus iv z68
1.5gb gtx 580

I was wondering if i should even be considering upgrading to a 680, or if i should just get another 580 since they have come down in price some. I'm also unsure about any performance loss when using a pci 3 card on a pci 2 board, and i really don't feel like replacing my motherboard.

Any input at all would be much appreciated.


Sorry I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if this has been stated yet.

You'll get better performance with a second GTX 580, which whips a single GTX 680's a**.

If you want a card with PCIe 3.0 support (PCIe 2.0 hasn't even been fully realised yet itself) and a LOT more CUDA cores, then go for it. It's an awesome card.

However you'll get better performance for less money with a second GTX 580.

If you're so concerned about having the fastest card why didn't you buy the 7970 when it came out?
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March 23, 2012 12:05:26 PM

grinius88 said:
My specs are as follows :

core i7 2600k
asus maximus iv z68
1.5gb gtx 580

I was wondering if i should even be considering upgrading to a 680, or if i should just get another 580 since they have come down in price some. I'm also unsure about any performance loss when using a pci 3 card on a pci 2 board, and i really don't feel like replacing my motherboard.

Any input at all would be much appreciated.


1) Running a GTX680 on PCI-E should not have any performance impact. I can not imagine it would saturate the bandwidth of a PCI-E 2.0 x16 slot. Here is a link to a test they performed on a 7970 with PCI-E 2 v 3. http://www.overclock.net/t/1188376/hardwarecanucks-hd-7...

2) Running 2 cards has some pains to it. Increase in heat. Increase in power. Increased need for good airflow. etc. However, running 2 GTX580's will outperform a single GTX680.

3) My personal opinion on whether it is worth it is.. "It depends". In my situation, I sold my GTX580 a week ago on eBay in anticipation for the GTX680 release. This way I get a good selling price ($325 after fees and shipping). I do this for every new generation of graphics card, whether it is Nvidia or AMD. This way I am never paying the full prince and at least half the cost covered.

Now if you are reclaiming anything from you GTX580 to reduce the cost of the upgrade, it may not be worth it. Or if you will really not get that much from selling your current card, it may not be worth it. You have to decide. You might still be able to get a decent price now, but it will start to decline in resale value. I now see you can now get a new EVGA GTX580 for $360 on Newegg.


So therefore. It depends on what you think the upgrade is worth to you.
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March 23, 2012 1:07:33 PM

What resolution do you play at? Unless you play with multiple monitors or extreme resolutions, your single 580 should kill most games. Although I do understand adding another in SLI to future proof your rig for a while.

My vote is 580 SLI - especially since prices are dropping. 580 SLI > single 680.

(I have 580s in SLI - I play at 2560 x 1600 so I need to have SLI in order to get close to max settings on those demanding games)
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March 23, 2012 10:58:23 PM

alverdeja said:
Dude, if you want the best, just get a 7970.
HA! I kid, I kid.


sir, you do realize 7970 is only mergeably faster than gtx 580. maybe 5% faster. since the client already got the gtx 580 why would he need a new card that's little bit faster and can't even get sli up?


still, wait for gk110 or get another gtx 580 for sub $400(if your board have more than one pcie x16)
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March 24, 2012 1:07:09 AM

You are better off just waiting, jumping in and buying a card now is a mistake. You already got one good card that is still decent. Think of it this way, is it any slower that the gtx680 just came out or your fps is the same as ever. Just because this new card just came out that you must dump the one you got that is likely only months old. Just wait a month or two to make up your mind or wait for prices to drop in your country. Waiting for GK110 is one good reason and the other is cheaper similar performing models of Kelpler rather than just this one card. Nvidia has another card waiting in the wings that is based on this one but is just a higher clocked model.
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March 24, 2012 1:08:43 AM

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sir, you do realize 7970 is only mergeably faster than gtx 580. maybe 5% faster. since the client already got the gtx 580 why would he need a new card that's little bit faster and can't even get sli up?


still, wait for gk110 or get another gtx 580 for sub $400(if your board have more than one pcie x16)


Sir, you do realize that I was being sarcastic, right(notice if you will, the "I kid, I kid" portion of my comment)? Also, it's "marginally " not "mergeably", the poster is not a "client" as he is not paying us for our advice, and the 7970 is on average 10-25% faster than a GTX 580 and, up until this week, was only about $50 more than a 580. Also, AMD cards don't "sli up", they Crossfire. But really, It was a joke, there's no reason now to buy a 7970; you'd pay $50+ more, yet get a less powerful card. Such begs the question, "When are the 7900s going to drop in price?"
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March 24, 2012 2:58:54 AM

with I 580 you are in a position where you dont need to upgrade now. I think if I was in your boat I would hold fast and snatch up a GTX110 card. Now if you had a like 560ti 448 or below I would say get the 680.
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March 24, 2012 7:37:52 PM

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September 1, 2012 7:20:58 PM

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