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May 23, 2012 8:26:28 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: This Week

Budget Range: Around $USD 2000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, computational modeling, graphics rendering

Parts Not Required: mouse, speakers, keyboards

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Any in USA

Country: US

Overclocking: Little Bit

SLI or Crossfire: No

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I've been doing some serious readings lately and here is what I come up with:

Combo 1:
CPU: Intel i5-3570K Ivy-Bridge
Mobo: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Combo 2:
Case: Obsidian 800D
PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 670-DC2T-2GD5 VGA
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-GTX-670-DC2T-2GD5-GT...

SSD: Crucial M4 - 256Gig or 128Gig
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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CPU Water Block: XSPC RayStorm High Performance Acetal CPU Liquid Cooling Block
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14186/ex-blc-971/XSPC...

GPU Water Block: Looks like I will have to wait one for Asus non-referenced PCB design full cover water block..

Pump: Swiftech MCP655 with Bitspower D5 / MCP655 Extreme Pump Mod Top V2
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2128/ex-pmp-27/Swifte...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12199/ex-pmp-122/Bits...

Resevoir: EK-MultiOption RES X2 - 250 Advanced - Liquid Cooling Reservoir (8 Total Ports)
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11183/ex-res-230/EK-M...

Really liked the Double Helix version of FrozenQ, but they leak!!!!

Radiator: XSPC RX360 Triple 120mm Radiator Rev 2.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8523/ex-rad-146/XSPC_...

Please advise my final build, sending out orders SOON~~ Thank you!
May 23, 2012 9:15:07 PM

for graphic rendering i7 can help you there

you get i5 usually for pure gaming as HT isnt that good for gaming and you save a good amount of money

doesn't mean you can't go i7 though, it is pretty much the same performance in gaming

mobo: i would say to stay away from sabertooth, it is overpriced it is pretty much a ASUS z77 pro with thermal armor and without the fan xpert and smart digi wifi

for some better rendering you can go to 16Gb ram

can change PSU into a 700 watt that is modular so you can have more room for the reservoirs and tubing
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May 23, 2012 9:27:47 PM

boulbox said:
for graphic rendering i7 can help you there

you get i5 usually for pure gaming as HT isnt that good for gaming and you save a good amount of money

doesn't mean you can't go i7 though, it is pretty much the same performance in gaming

mobo: i would say to stay away from sabertooth, it is overpriced it is pretty much a ASUS z77 pro with thermal armor and without the fan xpert and smart digi wifi

for some better rendering you can go to 16Gb ram

can change PSU into a 700 watt that is modular so you can have more room for the reservoirs and tubing


First of all thanks a lot for the reply!

Will the rendering differentials be very large between i5 and i7? I am just doing some Photoshop rendering, not video.

I will think about change the sabertooth for something else then. I really just got it for the look(going black/blue). I think the Asus z77 board will work too. What do you think of the AzRock boards or Gigabyte mentioned here?

Once again, thanks a lot!
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May 24, 2012 1:05:28 AM

Shameless bump!
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May 24, 2012 1:29:00 AM

cashflows said:
First of all thanks a lot for the reply!

Will the rendering differentials be very large between i5 and i7? I am just doing some Photoshop rendering, not video.

I will think about change the sabertooth for something else then. I really just got it for the look(going black/blue). I think the Asus z77 board will work too. What do you think of the AzRock boards or Gigabyte mentioned here?

Once again, thanks a lot!


You will be more beneficial to get 16 GB Ram for Photoshop rendering. For the i7, the benefits are minimal compared to the i5 in photoshop editing. I suggest you get the i5 instead if you don't do video rendering.

Get the Asus Z77 V Pro instead of that Sabertooth. Or Gigabyte UD5H is ok too. I wouldn't go for Asrock unless you specifically have a problem with either Asus or Gigabyte.
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May 24, 2012 1:40:23 AM

jacknhut said:
You will be more beneficial to get 16 GB Ram for Photoshop rendering. For the i7, the benefits are minimal compared to the i5 in photoshop editing. I suggest you get the i5 instead if you don't do video rendering.

Get the Asus Z77 V Pro instead of that Sabertooth. Or Gigabyte UD5H is ok too. I wouldn't go for Asrock unless you specifically have a problem with either Asus or Gigabyte.


Got it, will update the mobo and RAM.
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May 24, 2012 2:26:00 AM

Due to the well documented thermal issues with IB, I wouldn't recommend IB CPU's when doing anything more than moderate overclocking. If you are just doing moderate OC's, I'd get the i7-3770 for the rendering and the Asus Sabertooth for the tuffness, 5 year warranty and solid OC controls

$540 Asus Z77 Sabertooth w/ i7-3770k
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

For the big OC's in the 4.7 - 5.2 GHz range
$240 + $320 Asus Z77 Sabertooth w/ i7-2700kand Free Game Mass Effect 3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If ya willing to spend $280 on the 800D, I'd go for $10 more and get the Level 10 GT Snow....and with what you're doing, I'd grab a 2 TB HD

$490 Level 10 GT Snow + 2 TB WD Caviar Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

This the modern CPU era.....don't see an advantage to water cooling. A 2700k on air will get higher OC's than a 3770k on water.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

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It's almost ironic that coolers like this are becoming available just as processors transition to designs that may ultimately render them unnecessary; even overclocked to 5GHz, an Intel Sandy Bridge 2600K doesn't need anywhere near this level of cooling.


SD - The Mushkin Chronos Deluxe toasts the M4 and is equipped with extreme long life premium toshiba toggle flash.

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4328/mushkin_chronos_d...
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4328/mushkin_chronos_d...

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To sum it all up with a bow on top, [with the Chronos Deluxe] you get amazing performance, extremely long service life and a hassle free low price point on a drive that literally has very little competition in the marketplace.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2 x 8GB DDR3-1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If ya sure about the "no" on SLI, (3 slots card can be tuff o some cases / boards) I'd get the Asus 680 DCII TOP
http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-geforce-gtx-680-asus...

PSU - Note that ya PSU is way oversized....total system draw at full stress was only 317 watts ..... and 650 watter will handle that load. Of course, SLI would pull c;lose to 500 watts and I'd look at a 750 - 850 watter such as the HX850.

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May 24, 2012 2:30:11 AM

Here's a copy & paste from a build I posted earlier. You might find something in it that catches your eye.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $204.98 save: $30.00 - $20.00 Mail In Rebates FREE SHIPPING
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White Steel structure with molded ABS plastic accent pieces ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Western Digital RE4 WD1003FBYX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Enterprise Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.corsair.com/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-case/... <----- another look at that case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $137.99 - $127.99 after mail-in rebate card
XFX PRO750W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80Plus Silver 750 Watt Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $399.98 save: $15.00
ASRock Z77 Extreme6 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Crucial M4 CT256M4SSD2 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-extreme6-z77a-g... <----- That Asrock motherboard included in that review. Notice: over clocking, temps, and power consumption on there.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z77%20Extre... <------ another look at that board along with the latest bios update

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-3770K-processor-BX8063... $349.99
Intel Core i7 3770K processor 3.5 4 LGA 1155 BX80637I73770K

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $66.00 FREE SHIPPING
Cooler Master TPC 812 RR-T812-24PK-R1 120mm Sleeve with Dual Vertical Vapor Chamber TPC 812 CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=265... <----- that's a review on that h/s

http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm <----- that h/s on frosty tech's top 5 list

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $93.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ares Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9Q-16GAB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... $400 FREE SHIPPING
GTX 670

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5818/nvidia-geforce-gtx-6... <----- GTX 670 review with benchmarks

Total: $1,652.93 *not including shipping, rebates and promo codes
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May 24, 2012 2:41:16 AM

I suggest the GTX 670 over the GTX 680 as the former is so close in performance for a good deal less money, the i7 will definitely help you with your computational modelling and rendering.

One question, is water cooling necessary for your build?
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May 24, 2012 2:44:44 AM

I'd think so, I just hate air cooling and all the dust... plus it's a hobby.
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May 24, 2012 2:51:25 AM

cashflows said:
I'd think so, I just hate air cooling and all the dust... plus it's a hobby.

Get the corsair h100 for water cooling then. It's slightly more expensive than silver arrow but it has the best cooling performance.
Reviews indicated corsair h100 beats all other coolers including the 90 bucks silver arrow.
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May 24, 2012 4:11:24 AM

jacknhut said:
Get the corsair h100 for water cooling then. It's slightly more expensive than silver arrow but it has the best cooling performance.
Reviews indicated corsair h100 beats all other coolers including the 90 bucks silver arrow.


i have to firmly disagree on this

h100 in my eyes is trash if you want to over achieve on water cooling do something like GPU water cooling blocks which are a high price, water block for CPU, reservoirs, and tubing(i recommend color tubing to match with the case/mobo)

if you want to just water cool with a h100 you might as well just buy noctua as they perform better and cost less

or if you want those easy water cooling stuff like h100 just go for it not a big fan of it though

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May 24, 2012 8:49:58 PM

Get a Rasa kit.
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May 24, 2012 10:59:12 PM

boulbox said:
i have to firmly disagree on this

h100 in my eyes is trash if you want to over achieve on water cooling do something like GPU water cooling blocks which are a high price, water block for CPU, reservoirs, and tubing(i recommend color tubing to match with the case/mobo)

if you want to just water cool with a h100 you might as well just buy noctua as they perform better and cost less

or if you want those easy water cooling stuff like h100 just go for it not a big fan of it though


I actually have to firmly disagree on this because of several reasons:
1. Full custom water cooling costs at least 2 to 3 times the corsair H100 and I don't think he can afford that in this budget
2. Do you have any data to back up the claim that H100 performs worse than Noctua or you are just guessing? Because according to multiple reviews including anandtech and overclocker 3d, H100 beats out even Silver Arrow which is the best air cooler there is on the market. Noctua is beaten by h100 when the system is highly overclocked (i7 950 @4.2 and 4.4 Ghz) in overclock3d review of h100.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5054/corsair-hydro-series...
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/corsai...

3. Those reviews only use 2 stock fans with push configuration btw, if you worry about noise with the stock fans, replace it with the less noisy fan like cougar and do push/pull configuration with 2 fans on top and 2 fans on bottom and it will surely set itself apart further from the big, heavy air coolers on the market.
4. I don't know about what other people think but I don't like the idea of a heavy, clunky air cooler like noctua or silver arrow which weighs 900g, which is about 2lbs hanging on the motherboard for months stressing it.
5. Lastly, if you want to go full custom water cooling, get the XSPC RS360 Rasa Watercooling kit , it has everything you need for less than 200 bucks and the performance is very good (look at the review of overclock3d on H100)
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May 25, 2012 6:15:45 PM

I have the budget for the water cooling. I am only wiring one CPU-GPU loop so max around 400 bucks.
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May 26, 2012 12:20:14 AM

I don't think there is a GPU waterblock for the GTX 680/670 yet since its so new. Your best bet is to purchase the preinstalled GPU waterblocked GTX 680 like the EVGA hydro GTX 680 one which costs like 700 bucks.
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May 26, 2012 12:26:04 AM

jacknhut said:
I don't think there is a GPU waterblock for the GTX 680/670 yet since its so new. Your best bet is to purchase the preinstalled GPU waterblocked GTX 680 like the EVGA hydro GTX 680 one which costs like 700 bucks.


yes there is right when 680 came out people made waterblocks for them instantly

if you look at evga waterblocks they are made from a certain company that already sells them for $100 a block
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May 26, 2012 3:56:49 AM

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Hey i have a few suggestions for you


1) Get this GTX 680 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2) Asus sabertooth is overated and overpriced, get this mobo instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... its tomshardware approved and has military class III

3) nice case, but the HAF X or the Thermaltake Chaser MK-I are good too, and cheaper: Chaser: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... HAF X : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4) Get a 120 Crucial m4 and save 100$ : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5) you dont need a black series hard drive if you have a SSD, get a 2TB green series HDD for the same price like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6) your ram is too tall, slow and expensive get this kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

7) your psu is good but silverstone isnt the best psu maker... get this psu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

8) CPU Waterblock: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/blocks/cpu-blocks/ek-...

9) Gpu waterblcok: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/blocks/vga-blocks/fc-...

10) pump: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/pumps-and-accessories...

11) when doing your computational modeling and graphics rendering, a i7 will give you a nice speed bost but it will reduce your gaming performance (becase of hypertrathing) i suggest you to get your original build with the changes i posted

EDIT: 12) i forgot to mention that this little thermal paste kit will help you A LOT http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... AND http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... those are going to be the best and most usefull 20$ you are going to spend in your life

total should be about 2000$ (i5 3570k) or 2100$ (i7 3770k) including the pump and waterblocks price in euros + shipping, if you order now you will have your system delivered in a few days and you can set it up and wait for the pump and waterblock to arrive


Hey Froznic,

Thanks a lot man. I've heard the EK water blocks had bad nickle metal coating (peels off).. do you know if they fixed the issues? Thanks!
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May 26, 2012 5:13:20 AM

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i was just reading about that, and aparentely they have, btw check the videos on youtube about how to install those waterblocks i linked ;) 


Cool! Actually for water block I was preparing something like this:

CPU:
Swiftech Apogee HD High Performance 4-Port CPU Waterblock - Black
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14365/ex-blc-1000/Swi...

OR

Koolance CPU-370 Liquid Cooling Extreme CPU Block
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12571/ex-blc-874/Kool...

GPU:
Not sure yet

Pump: Swiftech MCP655-B 12v Water Pump w Bitpower After market top:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12199/ex-pmp-122/Bits...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2128/ex-pmp-27/Swifte...

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May 26, 2012 5:22:35 AM

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forget the cases i listed, buy this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

dude... btw, you do know that for watercooling you will need a pump and waterblocks AND tubes, reservoir and a radiator? i didnt see those parts inclded in your original post so i am going to put them here

the total cost of your pc WITHOUT any watercooling components is about 1750$ (1650$ with the i5 3750k instead of the i7 3770k) i suggest you to buy it like that and dont overclock ANYTHING and use stock setting until you get the components needed for watercooling wich are

CPU waterblock: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/blocks/cpu-blocks/ek-... 79euro
GPU waterblock: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/blocks/vga-blocks/fc-... 84euro
Pump: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/pumps-and-accessories... 81 euro
Radiator: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/ek-coolstream-rad-xt-... 63euro
Radiator fans: 3x http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/radiators-fans-access... 6euro each
fittings: 5x http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/fitting-3-8-id.html 2euro each
Reservoir: http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/reservoirs-and-acc/re...
Tubes: 2 meters of http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/accessories/tubing/tu... 3.95euro each meter

for a total of 345euro + shipping wich should be about 550$ for a grand total of 2300$

my advise? watercooling is great! but its takes too much effort to make and its only worth it if you enjoy building it and know how to take proper care of it, i suggest you to buy the 1750$ base build and go here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/forum-29-380.html you will find A LOT of information there and you will find people who have a lot of experience in watercooling, i am sure they will help you more than i can

EDIT: if you decide not to watercool, just buy a good old Coolermaster 212 Evo like we all have or a coolermaster x6 elite and leave the rest alone, you will save money, time, you will keep your warranties and all that, and you wont need to worry about a possible leak........ ( i am kidding, watercooling is awesome you should totally do it)


Frozonic thanks for all the help! Will definitely looking into the thread. I actually would like to do the water thing for fun, haha.
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May 27, 2012 7:37:08 AM

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hahahaha i knew you would! watercooling is great and besides keeping your temps down it will give your component a much longer lifespan and you can oc them really high without having to worry about anything

i suggest you to watch this videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw7Bd4X5I5I <---- water cooling introduction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDMUt0rkaPU <---- how to install gpu waterblock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RdsCkpkjDI <---- how to install cpu waterblock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKdClnASZMA <---- how to install the pump


BTW: if you dont want to buy from EK you can also buy from koolance they are both great waterblocs manufacters

CPU waterblock: http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&pat...
Gpu waterblock: http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&pro...
Reservoir: http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&pat... (its very small so you might need to refill it every 3 or 4 days)
Tubing: 3x http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&pat... (its always better to have more, speacially when its cheap)
Tubing adapters: 5x http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&pat... and 2x http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&pat...
Radiator: http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&fil... and fans: 3x http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&pat...
Pump http://koolance.com/index.php?route=product/product&pat...

Total cost: 396.78$

EDIT: GTX 680 backplate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Frozonic, I've almost decided to change Obsidian 800D to NZXT Switch 810, huge price difference, little utility and appearance difference. What cha think?

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