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May 24, 2012 12:12:42 PM

Hi everyone!
Need your advice for building a new computer. Mostly it will be used for photo processing (10-60mpix resolution photos) Adobe programs as well as video editing. Sometimes for new games and FullHD movies

Budget: max 1000$

I have collected some things for new pc. Would like to hear your thoughts on compliance with the parts and the overall harmony of the above tasks. :) 

Intel Core i5 3550K
ASROCK H77 PRO4/MVP
Gigabyte GV-N56GSO-1GI / GTX 560
Kingston 8GB, DDR3, 1600MHz, CL9, Kit Of 2, HyperX
HDD Seagate Constellation EU Server 7200 (3.5 ", 1TB, 64MB, SATA III-600)
Kingstom 60GB SSDNOW V +200 SATA3 2.5 "
Sony OPTI 5280 DVDRW 24X DL SATA
Chieftec ATX / EPS 650W PFC CFT-650-14CS

CPU cooler: Scythe Samurai ZZ
PC casing ~ 50$

Would like to hear your thoughts on compliance with the parts and the overall harmony of the above tasks. :) 

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a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2012 1:03:25 PM

Meh... you'll want i7. Are you overclocking? I'm assuming you are. Here's the build I would suggest (although it's about $50 over):
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($259.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.90 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($142.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($119.95 @ B&H)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Mushkin Chronos 60GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($67.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($181.74 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Power Supply: Antec 550W ATX12V Power Supply ($63.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.97 @ Newegg)
Total: $1051.37
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-05-24 09:02 EDT-0400)

To cut down on costs, you could get the ASRock Extreme3 Gen3 with no ill effects. You could also get a Crucial M4 SSD...
May 24, 2012 1:30:03 PM

No, I not overclocking!

Can you tell, why not to choose IB i5 for video and photo editing?

Also, why not Kingstom SSD and Asrock H77 PRO4/MVP ?
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2012 1:33:54 PM

H77 is not a good chipset. If you're not overclocking, then why did you pick a "k" processor? Anyway, IB isn't really better, but at stock speeds, you'd be fine with an i5-3550. Drop the CPU cooler. Z77 takes advantage of all the stuff IB does well (like PCIE 3.0).
a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2012 1:44:57 PM

the h mb is fine if your not a hard core gamer. you want to stay with a nvidia card i thought you needed one to use some feature that will only run on nvidia and adobe video editing. other then 16g of ram you should spend some more cash for the ssd.
you want to put photoshop and your video editing software on the ssd. at 60g drive is too small to do that.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2012 1:47:03 PM

560 Ti... forgot about that.
May 24, 2012 3:00:33 PM

IMO, It seems that this build is very lacking in some key features for editing video or minipulating images.

First, it takes A MINIMUM of two separate HDD's (or SSD's or virtual drives) to do any form of video editing in a timely manner. One to read FROM and one to write TO is minimum. Stepping these two operations are critical. Trying to "read from" and "write to" the same disk is a HUGE bottleneck and even more so if you've trimmed the clip or added say an audio track to also be blended with the clip. With video this usually ends up with artifacts in the edited version of the clip along with mismatched timings, dropped frames and other non-desirable side effects - like an immense amount of time wasted as the data caches in & out of the same drive cache. Second, A hardware based SD card reader-writer and one or two 16GB (32GB) SDHC cards is the most cost effective solution to moving around clips and arranging timeline material into any final render. Having the ability to move around large files is a must due to the multi-version file extension aspects of most video material editing into or out of a clip. Not to mention format changing or other operations one might need to do before rendering a final clip version. An example: say a JPG with a BMP being added with a title effect to an existing clip. Trying to render these into a single clip on one HDD would be like watching grass grow. To really do any kind of video editing in a timely manner, it is suggested to use a minimum of 5 disks. TWO PAIRS of RAID zero disks (basic throughput) and a separate system drive (preferably with an SSD system cache drive). This ensures enough throughput and handoff in the system stepping to do average editing with few if any artifacts and timely clip renders. Trying to do so with less is.. well very, very "painful".
a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2012 8:12:41 PM

Actually, that makes a lot of sense. I'm unfortunately more used to gaming builds, but I can verify that what Omni3D said does make sense. While it will cost you SLIGHTLY more (not much more), it will definitely make a difference. I'm sure Omni3D can help you more than I can with the video editing part of the build.
May 24, 2012 10:19:01 PM

Today it is not uncommon to see "prosumer" editing rigs with 6,8 or 10 drives depending on the type of material being edited. HD video editing is best on an 8 to 10 drive system if you want to render an hour of HD video in the same day. 5 HDD's plus a SSD system drive cache will suffice for just a basic editing rig. I use a 6 drive system with 5-6 SDHC cards (flash = speed) for general clip audio and timeline merging and this gives me basic capability. Build a Z68 SB system and add the necessary drives, SSD and flash card hardware so you can address each SD card as separate drive. Editing becomes quite easy and timely and a joy to use. I can help you if need it.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 24, 2012 10:36:17 PM

Wow. OP may want to just pm Omni3D from now on... there are really not many members that know a lot about video editing builds on these computers.
May 24, 2012 11:00:06 PM

Thank you all for answers. The video editing would not be the primary thing. It is photo editing work with files from 10 - 60 mpix resolution. I also doubt that I really need 5-10 drives only for video work. An extra SSD and good 1-2 HDD I think would be enough.

Maybe could write down the parts.
Now I am considerng:

Intel Core i5-2500
ASRock Z77 Extreme4
Gigabyte GV-N56GSO-1GI / GTX 560
Kingston 8GB, DDR3, 1600MHz, CL9, Kit Of 2, HyperX
HDD Seagate Constellation EU Server 7200 (3.5 ", 1TB, 64MB, SATA III-600)
Kingstom 120GB SSDNOW

......
May 24, 2012 11:12:56 PM

Thank You! I've been doing video editing for over 25 years. Along with 3D animation and visual effects. (Oh, I miss the Amiga days)
May 24, 2012 11:28:05 PM

I beg to differ, but please do as you like. It sounds more like a gaming rig for some very occasional A/V work. If this is the case, then just keep in mind the system drive plus any cache drive should remain separate from any heavy read & write operations. My brother tried to run Vegas Pro on a two disk SSD system he recently built. Utter failure is being kind. It could not produce and artifact free render until the 3rd time rendering. A 25 minute HD clip took more than 5 hours to render and also had crashed during those renders 5 times due to overheating the SSD's. He thought as you did, 2 should be enough. In the old days maybe but not today. You'll just end up overstressing everything and shortening the useful lifespan of the devices. However I wish you the best of luck.
a b B Homebuilt system
May 25, 2012 1:00:23 AM

Yeah... but image editing is a TEENSY bit different ;) 
May 25, 2012 7:14:22 AM

Omi3D then maybe you could help me to get together components for new pc above 1000$ ?
And yes, primary would be photo workflow, then games and video editing for the future(at least - near one).
a b B Homebuilt system
May 25, 2012 9:52:31 AM

I don't think photo workflow would be very different from a typical media editing build, though. The one I suggested should be fine, since you're not rendering (and thus don't need multiple HDDs). Just to throw something out there, AMD can sometimes actually do better for non-gaming (as CPUs go) than Intel. However, AMD's CPUs don't quite go up to the level of an i7... you may want to look at some benchmarks. AMD's CPUs aren't ALL bad... just with gaming.
May 25, 2012 10:16:07 AM

but what about motherboards? Is Asrock reliable???
Maybe somthing better from Intel or MSI in price range of 100-130$ ?
a b B Homebuilt system
May 25, 2012 10:23:35 AM

The ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 is very reliable... A LOT of people have it, and I haven't ever (really... ever) heard anyone say that it was bad or didn't work. Granted, all companies will have the occasional RMA, but I've never even heard of ASRock having one. I'm not sure about Intel/MSI (I'd go MSI out of the two), but ASUS is very popular as well. It's just more pricey, and no one is sure why
May 25, 2012 10:33:02 AM

ok, but why its better than ASROCK H77 PRO4/MVP board??
a b B Homebuilt system
May 25, 2012 10:40:42 AM

I'm not sure, but it may be more reliable. The difference is VERY small either way, though.
May 25, 2012 10:54:11 AM

ok. For now the setup looks like this:

Intel Core i7 2600
ASROCK Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3
Corsair XMS3, 16GB, DDR3, 1600MHz, CL9, Kit of 4
Gigabyte GTX 560
SEAGATE HDD Server Constellation ES 7200 1TB,64MB,SATA III
KINGSTON 120GB SSD NOW V200 SATA3
Chieftec 650W

+case, cpu cooler and DVDRW = total ~1400$

suggestions?
Maybe there is a cheaper setup for similar overall power?

a b B Homebuilt system
May 25, 2012 12:08:54 PM

So you're not overclocking? At all? I think you can go with a Pro3 Gen3 motherboard if that's the case. I'm not sure about the HDD... it says "server", but I don't know if that actually makes a difference (although I don't think it does).

Your PSU doesn't seem very good. I've never heard of Chieftec. Is it 80+ rated? I'd get a Seasonic, Corsair, or PC Power and Cooling PSU that it at least bronze rated, and you may want it to be modular.

Everything else looks good!

FYI you don't need a CPU cooler if you're not overclocking. The CPU comes with one (unless you're looking for a quieter PC, in which case please mention that). I'd suggest the Corsair 400R as a case.
May 25, 2012 2:42:51 PM

That seems like a nice setup to get started. And yes, just photo editing will not require the added disks or other addons to edit only photos. A good strategy is buy a good, capable base system that you can add on to as your needs grow. I would suggest that whichever mainboard you choose.. should have enough SATA ports to support at least 6 sata devices. Most media types of mobo's today support 2-sata3 and 4-sata2 devices. Some do support more but at a heavy price premium. 6 devices are plenty enough to get you going for a future expansion. Also be aware that there is finally a push in the industry to include better native support for Network rendering nodes in the NLE softwares themselves. This is very good news as it allows you to use other outside devices like older machines to augment the render process. I find this quite useful for use with NAS storage devices that offload the more demanding stuff, freeing the system to do other tasks concurrently.

The choices you have a good ones. A few changes I would make are to go to a 560Ti video card. Those extra shader (cuda) cores will be a big help with media related tasks for not that much more. A strong PSU is also important. Look at 750w as the minimum if you have expansion plans in the near future. That was the one thing I tried not to concern myself with but found very quickly that they all overstate the capacity to various degrees and ended up rebuying the thing twice ( to 750w, then 1000w) as I expanded into more capable equipment. Cheaper to do that right up front. Ensure you have at least 4 case fans and you're good to go. Here are my current system specs.

CPU: Intel I7-2600K 3.4 Ghz to 4.2Ghz
Mainboard: Asus P8Z68-V Pro Gen2
RAM: 4x4GB Corsair Vengence 1600 XMP
CPU Cooler: Corsair H-60 Push/Pull
OpSys: Win7-64 Pro SP1
Video: x2 Asus 560Ti CUII (Top) 1Gb SLI
CD/DVD: x2 TSST CD/DVD/CDRW ROM w/ virtual disks
HDD: x1 sata3 WD 1TB-7200/64 w/Corsair Force 3 60Gb SSD Raid 0 Win7 cache
x2 sata2 WD 750GB-7200/32
NAS: ReadyNAS Ultra2 w/ x2 WD 2TB-7200/64
Media: x2 SDHC read/write to 4 cards - 20mbps
PSU: Raidmax 1000w Gold 80
Display: x2 Samsung T260HD/HDTV 1920x1200@60
May 25, 2012 9:55:43 PM

All in all, what would be better mother board : ASRock Z77 Extreme4 or ASROCK Z68 EXTREME3 GEN3 ?

Or maybe it is better to look up some cheaper ones?
a b B Homebuilt system
May 26, 2012 4:03:50 AM

Those are about as cheap as you can get. If you're getting IB, then the Z77. If you're getting SB, then Z68
May 26, 2012 2:26:10 PM

ok, for now the system looks like this.

CPU Intel Core i5-3550
BOARD ASRock Z77 Extreme4
RAM Corsair Vengeance Black, 16GB, DDR3, 1600MHz, CL10, Kit of 2
VIDEO Gigabyte GV-N56GSO-1GI / GTX 560
HDD SEAGATE HDD Server Constellation ES 7200 1TB 64mb
SDD KINGSTON 120GB SSD
POWER Corsair supply TX650 V2 80 PLUS Bronze, ATX 650W, EU version
CASE Cooler Master Elite 350
DVD RW Asus DRW-24B5ST Black

maybe so changes ??
stick to SB i7 2600k ??
a b B Homebuilt system
May 26, 2012 3:44:37 PM

Switch your RAM to CAS9 or lower... CAS10 is slower. Are you getting 32GB of RAM, or 2x8GB of RAM? You said kit of 2, but did you mean each kit is 8GB or 16GB? I wouldn't go more than 16GB.

Everything else looks nice. I think you SHOULD get an i7 chip because hyper-threading is used in many editing programs such as Photoshop.

You may want to consider some other cases... I'd recommend the Corsair 400R or 500R, but cases such as the NZXT Phantom look very nice if you want aesthetics.
May 26, 2012 5:25:35 PM

Shouldn't CL10 have more faster timings than CL9 ???
I would like to get Kit of two > 8gb x2 . I want now only 16Gb and later, if needed , be able to upgrade to 24gb or 32gb depending of needs.
With i7 2700K rig would cost additional 100$ more. Is it worth? Big performance boost?
I'm considering also SB i5 2500k chip.

but if i choose the SB i7 then I should get the Asrock z68 board, or there are other options? Stick to Z77 ?? Which combo would work better?
Z77 is newer right?

I don't really care about the case design, so on this I would like to save few $$$ Only important, to have is good ventilation and spaces case.

a b B Homebuilt system
May 26, 2012 7:12:31 PM

The lower the CAS, the faster it is. 9-9-9-24 timings are the most common. Yours would be like 10-11-10 or something like that... which is slower. So you're getting 2x8GB sticks? That's fine. An i7 would be worth the $100 more because that's essentially more important than any other component for editing. I'd get an i7-2600k, though (not 2700k). i5 doesn't have Hyper Threading. If you choose the SB i7, get the ASRock Z68 board. However, since you don't seem to be overclocking, an i7-2600 with a Z68 Pro3 Gen3 board should be fine (don't get a "k" CPU if you're not overclocking). Z77 won't help at all with SB. Again, with SB get Z68, with IB get Z77.

For the case, I'm sure the Corsair 400R would meet all of your needs. It's a great case.