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March 23, 2012 5:58:24 PM

Just saw this review, I definitely was interested in seeing these results:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1455/pg1/asus-gef...


1920x1080 Winner
3DMark ASUS/NVIDIA
Battlefield 3 ASUS/NVIDIA
Skyrim ASUS/NVIDIA
F1 2011 ASUS/NVIDIA
Shogun 2 Tie
Arkham City N/A (AMD don't support PhysX)
SW: The Old Republic Tie
WoW ASUS/NVIDIA
Mass Effect 3 ASUS/NVIDIA

5760x1080 Winner
Battlefield 3 Tie
Skyrim ASUS/NVIDIA
F1 2011 AMD
Shogun 2 AMD
Arkham City N/A (AMD don't support PhysX)
SW: The Old Republic AMD
WoW ASUS/NVIDIA
Mass Effect 3 ASUS/NVIDIA

So not too surprising, the 680 pulls a lead at 1080p. However, it's very interesting to see that the 7970 is actually doing very well at huge resolutions. Maybe this is something to do with the extra 1gb of VRAM, but most likely it has to do with architecture differences.

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March 23, 2012 6:06:06 PM

You can add that to the SLI/CFX charts going around in the Web.

I really don't know why Arkham City/Asylum doesn't like AMD for multiple card setups.

Looks like the (true) high end is kinda in a tie overall. But who has monster resolutions, anyway? xD

Cheers!
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March 23, 2012 6:11:09 PM

Even if it's a tie at high end, the 680 is still cheaper and draws less power. That makes it the better card in my book, at least until AMD lowers prices.
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March 23, 2012 6:14:58 PM

trogdor796 said:
Even if it's a tie at high end, the 680 is still cheaper and draws less power. That makes it the better card in my book, at least until AMD lowers prices.


I totally agree. 680 is a killer card right now. 7970s IMO need to go for $450-500, definitely can't sell them more expensive than a 680. Nvidia also has a nice advantage with TXAA and Adaptive Vsync, which I think are both really great features
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March 23, 2012 6:23:56 PM

Actually, take a look at the OC figures... The 7970 draws only 5W more (like 310W) and the 680 OC draws like 320W:

NAME ---------------------Idle Power - Load Power - Idle Temp - Load Temp
ASUS GeForce GTX 680 120w 258w 30°C 78°C
ASUS GeForce GTX 680 OC 121w 320w 32°C 80°C
Reference Radeon HD 7970 129w 306w 39°C 75°C
Reference Radeon HD 7970 OC 130w 308w 31°C 72°C
GeForce GTX 580 OC 136w 351w 30°C 67°C


So, in the "true" high end, the 680 wins in P/P by a slight, slight margin. If you take into account the GPGPU (if you actually use it), maybe the extra $50 for the 7970 are justified, unless nVidia removed the dumb cap they put in there (I hate that).

And, in Arkham it looks like AMD wins with no PhysX enabled (in that article).

Cheers!
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March 24, 2012 12:40:05 AM

The GTX 680 even if it is by a hair they are on top once again. Cheaper less power and 10% faster than AMD. If I liked AMD then I would argue this. In all fairness both cards are on the top cutting edge of technology of today.
March 24, 2012 12:53:05 AM

Yuka said:
You can add that to the SLI/CFX charts going around in the Web.

I really don't know why Arkham City/Asylum doesn't like AMD for multiple card setups.

Looks like the (true) high end is kinda in a tie overall. But who has monster resolutions, anyway? xD

Cheers!

Probably get flamed for this but it's because Batman AC is an Nvidia sponsored game.
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March 24, 2012 12:55:04 AM

Yuka said:
Actually, take a look at the OC figures... The 7970 draws only 5W more (like 310W) and the 680 OC draws like 320W:

NAME ---------------------Idle Power - Load Power - Idle Temp - Load Temp
ASUS GeForce GTX 680 120w 258w 30°C 78°C
ASUS GeForce GTX 680 OC 121w 320w 32°C 80°C
Reference Radeon HD 7970 129w 306w 39°C 75°C
Reference Radeon HD 7970 OC 130w 308w 31°C 72°C
GeForce GTX 580 OC 136w 351w 30°C 67°C


So, in the "true" high end, the 680 wins in P/P by a slight, slight margin. If you take into account the GPGPU (if you actually use it), maybe the extra $50 for the 7970 are justified, unless nVidia removed the dumb cap they put in there (I hate that).

And, in Arkham it looks like AMD wins with no PhysX enabled (in that article).

Cheers!


Those numbers are not of much use considering that is whole system draw. I don't see why reviews out there don't got more accurate and specialized power measuring equipment. Monitor the load on the 12v rail at the pci-e slot and power connectors like what x-bit has done in their reviews.
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March 24, 2012 12:55:56 AM

I am a PC said:
Probably get flamed for this but it's because Batman AC is an Nvidia sponsored game.


It is what it is.
March 24, 2012 12:58:19 AM

nforce4max said:
It is what it is.

Then it is agreed Batman AC is defunct as a proper unbiased benchmarking title. Along with HAWKS II, Starcraft, Civ V, WoW, Lost Planet 2, Metro and more.
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March 24, 2012 1:02:50 AM

Due to going 120hz 3D, I'm going to be going with the Nvidia card most likely. I have a monitor that does not support displayport, so Nvidia 3D Vision is by far the better option.

I was also very impressed with the FXAA. It looks better than 4x MSAA and a lot faster. It even is defaulted to use FXAA even when the game doesn't have the option. This may also explain the 1080p results, as all the AA used gave the 680 a huge advantage. Perhaps FXAA doesn't work so well in 3 monitor configurations, which would explain AMD's advantage there.
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March 24, 2012 1:07:13 AM

I like AMD, but not in a fanboy way, and I can't argue the stats/charts... however, I must say that I feel like the delayed launch has hurt Nvidia by a lot... I was originally going to hold out and get a kepler card, but ended up caving and got a sapphire OCed 7970. Like you guys say, the gtx680's edge is so small that it's hardly noticable, and I'm certainly not going to try to sell my 7970 just to go for a 680 now...
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March 24, 2012 1:09:06 AM

DM186 said:
The GTX 680 even if it is by a hair they are on top once again. Cheaper less power and 10% faster than AMD. If I liked AMD then I would argue this. In all fairness both cards are on the top cutting edge of technology of today.


10% is far from "a hair" ... especially when 10% cheaper.....10% if the difference between a 6970 and a 6950

What I can't get is why the 680 we see for sale is so different in specs and price compared to what had been previously leaked. I had this niggling feeling that that after seeing the 79xx series, nVidia's pulling a fast one on us and relabeled what was to be the 660 Ti (leaked price of $349) as the 680 (for $500) and is thereby gonna take advantage of the situation and rake in the dough here. I'd really like to see AMD come back and force the price down a bit.

Now it would appear that some web site reviewers are of the same mind.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/26

Quote:
GK104 is the name of the 28 nm build chip that is based on Kepler, and dare I say it? It was never intended to be the high-end product. For that NVIDIA would have named it GK110, personally I still think the GK110 will see the light at a later stage in time, likely end of the year. ..... We certainly like the GeForce GTX 680, it is quite amazing what NVIDIA is able to do with the GK104 which we still think was intended to be the mid-range chip.






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March 24, 2012 1:31:36 AM

The O.C. scaling on the GTX 680 is a by-product of the 1:1 core to shader clocks. In the past it was 2:1, so the extra OC on the core meant you were getting 2x OC on the shaders.

The flipside is what we are seeing with reduced heat and energy consumption. It also opens up the potential for some great custom overclocked models with upgraded components. When its all said and done, the GTX 680 is likely going to hit even higher overclocks that the 7970 won't be able to reach. Guru3d already had the reference GTX 680 up to 1264 mhz on stock volts vs. the custom Asus 7970 DCUII with maximum voltage at 1250 (they got the reference 7970 on stock volts up to 1052 mhz).
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March 24, 2012 1:45:16 AM

17seconds said:
The O.C. scaling on the GTX 680 is a by-product of the 1:1 core to shader clocks. In the past it was 2:1, so the extra OC on the core meant you were getting 2x OC on the shaders.

The flipside is what we are seeing with reduced heat and energy consumption. It also opens up the potential for some great custom overclocked models with upgraded components. When its all said and done, the GTX 680 is likely going to hit even higher overclocks that the 7970 won't be able to reach. Guru3d already had the reference GTX 680 up to 1264 mhz on stock volts vs. the custom Asus 7970 DCUII with maximum voltage at 1250 (they got the reference 7970 on stock volts up to 1052 mhz).


We've discussed this before, but it doesn't matter if it's 1:1 core to shader clocks or 2:1. If you increase the clock by a percent, both increase by the same percent. It's simple math. Nothing has changed in terms of OCing.
March 24, 2012 1:52:33 AM

i just got my 7970 yesterday.. havent done any gaming yet because im in the process of migrating my files and games n such to my new setup... looking at those benchmarks doesnt make me favor the 680 in any way.. why? because it didnt win hands down.. honestly when the drivers for 7970 mature i think it will beat the 680.. the higher res tests show that the 680 isnt more powerful than the 7970 at all..

so lets all just wait and see
March 24, 2012 2:02:28 AM

I've got oc cf hd7950's, just upgraded from cf hd6950's and I game at triple eyefinity 6048 by 1080 and I'm very pleased with my average fps, I believe amd will be okay with say a $100.00 price drop on 7970 and $50.00 on 7950, plus better drivers for the future!
March 24, 2012 2:18:02 AM

But the 7970 is already cheaper than the 680
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March 24, 2012 2:18:54 AM

JackNaylorPE said:
10% is far from "a hair" ... especially when 10% cheaper.....10% if the difference between a 6970 and a 6950

What I can't get is why the 680 we see for sale is so different in specs and price compared to what had been previously leaked. I had this niggling feeling that that after seeing the 79xx series, nVidia's pulling a fast one on us and relabeled what was to be the 660 Ti (leaked price of $349) as the 680 (for $500) and is thereby gonna take advantage of the situation and rake in the dough here. I'd really like to see AMD come back and force the price down a bit.

Now it would appear that some web site reviewers are of the same mind.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-review/26

Quote:
GK104 is the name of the 28 nm build chip that is based on Kepler, and dare I say it? It was never intended to be the high-end product. For that NVIDIA would have named it GK110, personally I still think the GK110 will see the light at a later stage in time, likely end of the year. ..... We certainly like the GeForce GTX 680, it is quite amazing what NVIDIA is able to do with the GK104 which we still think was intended to be the mid-range chip.


Yes 10% is a lot in the scheme of things. But you will have the AMD side trying to prove that 10% is nothing. They will put it down anyway they can but the numbers speak for them selves and AMD still looses by a hair.

Jack that was my meaning about "by a hair" was. And I totally agree with you on what AMD will try and do with the pricing. I once thought that nVidia held off on releasing there cards because they wanted to see what they had to do to make there card better than AMD's. That is just my opinion. I never read that or herd that from anybody
March 24, 2012 2:25:59 AM

DM186 said:
Yes 10% is a lot in the scheme of things. But you will have the AMD side trying to prove that 10% is nothing. They will put it down anyway they can but the numbers speak for them selves and AMD still looses by a hair.

Jack that was my meaning about "by a hair" was. And I totally agree with you on what AMD will try and do with the pricing. I once thought that nVidia held off on releasing there cards because they wanted to see what they had to do to make there card better than AMD's. That is just my opinion. I never read that or herd that from anybody


But Amd have still got the 7990 to come which should beat the 680 by more than a hair
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March 24, 2012 2:35:59 AM

seumas_beathan said:
But Amd have still got the 7990 to come which should beat the 680 by more than a hair


That is true but I don't think we were talking about the 7990 or did I miss something? When you get old a lot of weird things happen and I have to check all the time.
March 24, 2012 3:03:41 AM

DM186 said:
That is true but I don't think we were talking about the 7990 or did I miss something? When you get old a lot of weird things happen and I have to check all the time.


Oh no :L Its just that alot of people are saying that Nvidia have beatan amd, which is not true, The 680 beats the 7970 but Nvidia have Not beaten Amd
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March 24, 2012 3:17:55 AM

while I agree with you, using the 7990 to combat the 680 is more a sign of weakness rather than strength from AMD... as most of us have heard, the gtx680 might have been slated to be the 660, and may not even be Nvidia's true flagship this gen, and using a dual-core chip to beat it would just be sad...

on the other hand, I think with some serious work into the tahiti drivers, I do believe the 7970 has the raw power needed to outrun the 680
March 24, 2012 3:22:50 AM

The 7990 will not be a competitior to the 680 but to Nvidias flagship card
March 24, 2012 3:27:28 AM

seumas_beathan said:
The 7990 will not be a competitior to the 680 but to Nvidias flagship card

Funny was under the impression 680 was Nvidias flagship
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March 24, 2012 3:32:54 AM

seumas_beathan said:
Oh no :L Its just that alot of people are saying that Nvidia have beatan amd, which is not true, The 680 beats the 7970 but Nvidia have Not beaten Amd


Oh I hear what you are saying that AMD is not defeated nor is nVidia. They are both very good at what they do. I am not trying to say nVidia is the best nor is AMD.

Both have there pros and cons. To tell you the truth I am glad that they are competitvely with each other. We get all the good stuff from them trying to out do each other.
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March 24, 2012 3:34:42 AM

Looking at THG's review, it does seem the 7970 has more OC headroom, especially since they didn't go beyond the CCC overdrive limits. If you are into OCing, it seems to be a closer battle.
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March 24, 2012 3:38:03 AM

wolfram23 said:
I totally agree. 680 is a killer card right now. 7970s IMO need to go for $450-500, definitely can't sell them more expensive than a 680. Nvidia also has a nice advantage with TXAA and Adaptive Vsync, which I think are both really great features



Why not?Nvidia has been pricing there gtx 580 3 gb version at the same price as a 7970.I agree the 7970 should come down to 500 flat but 450 wont happen.
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March 24, 2012 3:43:48 AM

If your looking to sli or crossfire then the 7970 is the way to go.From the tests ive seen the 7970 crossfire totally demolishes 2 gtx 680's in SLI.Maybe driver issues not sure guess will see
March 24, 2012 3:46:18 AM

I like how amd fan boys defend the 7970 saying it will beat the 680 when its drivers mature. How about when the 680 gets better than RELEASE drivers? Or saying how non-reference versions will come closer to it, just wait till the 680 gtx FTW and Classified come out I am sure they will up the ante too. I am in no way a nvidia fan as I have owned both, but while the 680gtx may have only 5-10% better performance in most games it is $50 cheaper which many people seem to forget. and saying the 7990 will beat it you can just counter saying gk110 will beat 7990.... If you are gonna go fanboyish at least find things to say that the other team can't say the same.
March 24, 2012 3:54:33 AM

DM186 said:
Oh I hear what you are saying that AMD is not defeated nor is nVidia. They are both very good at what they do. I am not trying to say nVidia is the best nor is AMD.

Both have there pros and cons. To tell you the truth I am glad that they are competitvely with each other. We get all the good stuff from them trying to out do each other.


Yh, I love how its gotten to the point that wether you go Amd or Nvidia is just purely what you want, The 680 is better but i would go for the 7970, Why? I dont know i just would
March 24, 2012 3:58:07 AM

seumas_beathan said:
Yh, I love how its gotten to the point that wether you go Amd or Nvidia is just purely what you want, The 680 is better but i would go for the 7970, Why? I dont know i just would

It wasn't to long ago when there were allot of games the flagship cards could not max out with 60fps min now there are very few titles that the flagship cards cannot max out.
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March 24, 2012 4:04:08 AM

seumas_beathan said:
But the 7970 is already cheaper than the 680


Really? Because everywhere I've seen the 7970 is at least $50 more expensive.

seumas_beathan said:
But Amd have still got the 7990 to come which should beat the 680 by more than a hair


What? And the 690 will probably beat that. So what? That isn't what we have now.

seumas_beathan said:
Oh no :L Its just that alot of people are saying that Nvidia have beatan amd, which is not true, The 680 beats the 7970 but Nvidia have Not beaten Amd


Well the 6990 is still comparable to the 590 if not better, so in some weird sense you are right. However, neither of those cards are being made anymore so once the limited stock is sold out, the top cards will be the 680 and 7970. The 680 is faster and cheaper so yes, Nvidia has beaten AMD. For now.

Who knows what will happen? 7980? 7990? 685 (GK110)? There is no information, all we have is what we have and the leader is in green.
March 24, 2012 4:07:20 AM

wolfram23 said:
Really? Because everywhere I've seen the 7970 is at least $50 more expensive.



What? And the 690 will probably beat that. So what? That isn't what we have now.



Well the 6990 is still comparable to the 590 if not better, so in some weird sense you are right. However, neither of those cards are being made anymore so once the limited stock is sold out, the top cards will be the 680 and 7970. The 680 is faster and cheaper so yes, Nvidia has beaten AMD. For now.

Who knows what will happen? 7980? 7990? 685 (GK110)? There is no information, all we have is what we have and the leader is in green.

I would still like to see a non Nvidia biased benchmark suite.
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March 24, 2012 4:34:12 AM

I'm sorry, but I HONESTLY, cannot see how anyone can make the claim that 7970/AMD is better at the high end price point right now, when it comes to GAMING. I realize the 680 lost compute power, but this is about gaming what we are all talking about.

I'm no fanboy. My current card is a 4870, and I haven't purchased any since then.

The 680 OUTPERFORMS the 7970. Don't start up with the Nvidia favored benchmark bs. It has scored higher in 3Dmark, and in the majority of games. If that's not outperforming, I don't know what is.

It also uses LESS power. Yes, I don't care if it's as little as 30W. It's still less, all while being stronger.

And to top it all off, it's CHEAPER. So, even if it performed the same, used the same amount of power as the 7970, it would still be better because it costs less. But no, it's more powerful and efficient.

Sorry AMD fanboys, you're not going to be able to reason and whine your way out of this one.

I don't hate AMD. I hope they lower the prices on the 7970, I hope the come out with some more GPU's, such as the 8000 series or more 7000 series, and I hope that those are good. But for now, Nvidia has the upper hand. End of story.
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March 24, 2012 4:34:36 AM

I am a PC said:
I would still like to see a non Nvidia biased benchmark suite.


Then find one and report back.

EDIT: This one's not bad http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_680...
Too bad they don't have CF 7970s, though. Still, lots of games are benched so you can't claim favoritism.
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March 24, 2012 4:40:18 AM

trogdor796 said:
I'm sorry, but I HONESTLY, cannot see how anyone can make the claim that 7970/AMD is better at the high end price point right now, when it comes to GAMING. I realize the 680 lost compute power, but this is about gaming what we are all talking about.

I'm no fanboy. My current card is a 4870, and I haven't purchased any since then.

The 680 OUTPERFORMS the 7970. Don't start up with the Nvidia favored benchmark bs. It has scored higher in 3Dmark, and in the majority of games. If that's not outperforming, I don't know what is.

It also uses LESS power. Yes, I don't care if it's as little as 30W. It's still less, all while being stronger.

And to top it all off, it's CHEAPER. So, even if it performed the same, used the same amount of power as the 7970, it would still be better because it costs less. But no, it's more powerful and efficient.

Sorry AMD fanboys, you're not going to be able to reason and whine your way out of this one.

I don't hate AMD. I hope they lower the prices on the 7970, I hope the come out with some more GPU's, such as the 8000 series or more 7000 series, and I hope that those are good. But for now, Nvidia has the upper hand. End of story.
We wont know a true winner for a few months yet.AMD havent even made drivers that boost performance yet.There drivers are still very raw yet they seem to be concentrating more on bugs with certain games at this point.Nvidia is winning the single card battle but multi seems amd has the edge.Im not a fan of either but im not willing to crown a winner quite yet
March 24, 2012 4:58:18 AM

wolfram23 said:
Then find one and report back.

EDIT: This one's not bad http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_680...
Too bad they don't have CF 7970s, though. Still, lots of games are benched so you can't claim favoritism.

Take away Nvidias optimized game code on there TWIMTBP titles and what your left with is a different story is all I am saying. I am not bashing the GTX 680 it is after all a Gold award winning piece of technology and well deserving of it but I will have to respectfully interject and just bring to light the shady marketing technique and smoke and mirrors that are being used to make the GTX 680 look better than it truly is. Link will be provided upon request to alleviate what may seem like a wild proclamation to some.
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March 24, 2012 4:59:37 AM

I am a PC said:
Take away Nvidias optimized game code on there TWIMTBP titles and what your left with is a different story is all I am saying.

Yeah but that isn't very common. Even in some TWIMTBP titles like Metro 2033, where the Radeon is clearly faster. You're right though, I'm sure you read that S|A article too. Shady practice but whatever.
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March 24, 2012 5:05:09 AM

What would a non-Nvidia favored test suite be? A set of the few games where AMD wins and that's it? That's what you people are making it sound like.

Whatever, I'm done debating this. It's like arguing with a Bulldozer fanboy.(okay, not as bad, at all)

I know the 680 has beaten the 7970, at least temporarily, but I don't even really care. That's not what it's about. I'm simply going to enjoy the performance increase of going from 4870>680 when it arrives. I know I'm going to love it.
March 24, 2012 5:08:38 AM

wolfram23 said:
Yeah but that isn't very common. Even in some TWIMTBP titles like Metro 2033, where the Radeon is clearly faster. You're right though, I'm sure you read that S|A article too. Shady practice but whatever.

Whats S A article you speak of ? and shady practice is not just whatever in my books I am just trying to give credit where credit is due no more and no less mate.
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March 24, 2012 5:13:22 AM

Man im just going to say there both great cards and you cant go wrong with either one.I think the only real downfall to the gtx 680 is the 2 gb vram
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March 24, 2012 5:21:42 AM

This is like watching a playoff game with the fans dissin' each other.
AMD fanboys will never stop saying the benchmarks are rigged for Nvidia, happens every time. Or "just wait 'til the new Radeon drivers come out."
I won't buy an AMD card but I'll still recommend them because as a general rule they will fit a budget build better.
March 24, 2012 5:23:08 AM

I am a PC said:
I would still like to see a non Nvidia biased benchmark suite.

Rather than spewing the same line over and over, in multiple stories and threads, how about some useful feedback?

Or does any game that AMD loses in biased toward Nvidia? What about popular games that Nvidia's dev rel team helped with? Are those off-limits too? What about the ones AMD's dev rel team helped with? Let's play devil's advocate and cut those as well!

Come on guys--let's try to bring the collective intelligence of the discussion up rather than resorting to this. We test a great many games, we cycle old stuff out in favor of new, popular, and demanding titles, and we make a conscious effort to keep the suite balanced. If you want to make a difference, rather than just whine, there are many ways to contact the team here!
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March 24, 2012 5:25:20 AM

trogdor796 said:
What would a non-Nvidia favored test suite be? A set of the few games where AMD wins and that's it? That's what you people are making it sound like.

Whatever, I'm done debating this. It's like arguing with a Bulldozer fanboy.(okay, not as bad, at all)

I know the 680 has beaten the 7970, at least temporarily, but I don't even really care. That's not what it's about. I'm simply going to enjoy the performance increase of going from 4870>680 when it arrives. I know I'm going to love it.


Who are you talking to? There's maybe 1 or 2 people making... odd... comments like this. One of them is a long time troll on his, oh, 8th account.

I am a PC said:
Whats S A article you speak of ? and shady practice is not just whatever in my books I am just trying to give credit where credit is due no more and no less mate.


Try this one http://semiaccurate.com/2012/02/01/physics-hardware-mak...

They have a lot of, shall we say, "incentive" articles against Nvidia.
March 24, 2012 5:41:12 AM

cangelini said:
Rather than spewing the same line over and over, in multiple stories and threads, how about some useful feedback?

Or does any game that AMD loses in biased toward Nvidia? What about popular games that Nvidia's dev rel team helped with? Are those off-limits too? What about the ones AMD's dev rel team helped with? Let's play devil's advocate and cut those as well!

Come on guys--let's try to bring the collective intelligence of the discussion up rather than resorting to this. We test a great many games, we cycle old stuff out in favor of new, popular, and demanding titles, and we make a conscious effort to keep the suite balanced. If you want to make a difference, rather than just whine, there are many ways to contact the team here!

I already praised the GTX 680 for being a well deserving GOLD award winning excellent piece of hardware that is not in question at all however I will not over praise it of lean towards biased towards Green or red. Link will be provided upon request to anyone whom want to view one of the few tell it like it is reviews of the GTX 680 without the fluff. Also I will have to add as an aside Nvidia has rectified one of my biggest pet peeves in that they always have had Hot and power hogging cards looks like they left that caveat behind bravo Nvidia. PS are you really like the big cheese around here ?
March 24, 2012 5:54:18 AM

That's the thing--I'm not interested in bias, either. I'm asking for feedback. If you feel the suite is slanted, throw out some suggestions. We used to have games like AvP, STALKER, etc (wolfram mentioned in another thread), but they're older games that nobody seems to miss until they want to see AMD do better. What use is a victory in title that isn't being enjoyed any more?

This is probably more for Wolf, but Skyrim is massively, massively popular. It doesn't scale super well when you move to two cards, but this is really the first time we've ever seen that. Moreover, a LOT of games seem to struggle with scaling when you're using two cards as fast as the 680 and 7970.

If it looks like it's safe to say "Don't worry about Skyrim--any card you use to play it will run fine," then I'm fine deprecating that test. But I don't think we're there yet, and it'll take another popular, demanding title to start knocking other games out of the suite. Metro is old, for instance, but it's still taxing, and hey, it seems to favor AMD hardware now (this wasn't always the case ;-).
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