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May 27, 2012 4:05:48 PM

UPDATE in Post 26

Approximate Purchase Date: Ordering parts over next week or two

Budget Range: $1500 hard ceiling after rebates [not including OS]

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, web, work/school

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, and speakers not needed right now

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Big fan of Amazon and Newegg, I am open to others but haven't done much business with other dealers. I am located in CT so store-only deals at places like Micro Center don't work for me.

Country: USA

Parts Preferences: i5-3750k, GTX 670, Wireless built in, would like a 21"+ IPS monitor if possible (open to change)

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080, 1920x1200

Additional Comments: I had started another thread a couple of days ago when I was much less sure of what I needed. Now I have done a major revamp of everything so wanted to started a fresh thread. For the most part I am happy with my selections below and am looking for two things.

1. I'd like some opinions and review on the parts I've chosen and their compatibility as I am very inexperienced on hardware and this is my first attempt at building my own rig. So, if any of these selections are garbage, incompatible, or I am getting ripped off, please feel free to tell me.

2. I know I want a GTX 670 but I am not familiar with the difference between the brands. I've read great things about the Gigabyte Windforce and the ASUS DCUII TOP OC models but both are not easy to find right now. So, I was wondering if I should wait for one of these or get the normal Asus model or one of the other brands (MSI, EVGA). Advice on this question will be greatly appreciated.

Parts:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$405

Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$105

Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$175 (-$30 MIR)


CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$34

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$55

Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($128.99 @ Newegg)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=yGD3XqgT...
$129 ($100 on 5/28)

Video Card: GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card - Gigabyte, Asus, MSI, EVGA??? Since buying parts over the next week or two, availability is a concern. However, if one that is OOS is considerably better than those available, I could wait.

Monitor: Asus VS229H-P 21.5" Monitor ($155.98 @ NCIX US)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$164

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$100 (-$20 Newegg GC)

Total: $1167 [-79 including rebates, GC, and deal on SSD] = 1088 + $400-430 for GTX 670 = $1488-1518 Total

Thank you so much for any advice. This forum is incredible with how helpful and generous every member of the community is! I hope I learn a lot from this experience and can help others on this forum in the future.

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May 27, 2012 4:13:16 PM

1: get a 300r or a 400r. they are slighly cheaper and are about the same
2: cheaper ram such as crucial ballistix sport and mushkin enhanced blackline perform the same and they are lower profile so that they can fit under the heatsink
3: if you want bettter cooling, get a tpc 812 from cooler master, but the hyper 212 will do
4:a better monitor is a ve228h (21.5 nch) or a ve247h (23.6 inch) i recommend getting the ve247h becasue it has a faster response time.
5: the better 670s are the gigabyte windforce or the asus directcu2. the directcu2 is a bit smaller than the gigabyte but the gigabyte has 3 fans. both are about the same. totally depends o the price and the company of choice. the evga ftw edition is also worth considering
May 27, 2012 4:29:12 PM

Looks good.
Here are some thoughts:

1) Get low profile ram. Tall heat spreaders are not needed for 1.5v ram, and may impact some cpu coolers.
This corsair kit is actually cheaper:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2) Any GTX670 is a fine pick. As to brands, I like EVGA for their US support.
I prefer the direct exhaust type coolers that come with the reference cards. They get the heat directly out of the case. Otherwise, case cooling has to deal with more heat.
My pick would be the EVGS FTW version:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3) If you are going to buy a monitor, consider spending more to buy the best one you feel comfortable paying for.
It is one of the most "future proof" PC purchases you can make today. I have long thought that Samsung is the best. They make panels for many other vendors, and I think they keep the prime samples for themselves. I have never had a dead pixel with any of their products. I might consider a 24" monitor with a 1920 x 1200 resolution. That gives you a bit more display area compared to cheaper 1080P versions.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4) Take the time now to download and read the motherboard and case manuals. Many questions will be answered.
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May 27, 2012 4:37:44 PM

Thank you both, TheBigTroll and geofelt, for the quick and helpful responses! I have read good things about the Gigabte and Asus for GTX 670, but they are hard to find right now. Since you both had great things to say about the EVGA FTW I may just swipe that one. Is there a considerable performance difference that would be worth waiting for the others in stock?

geofelt, good call on the RAM, I think the one you linked is actually what I was looking for and I've had the wrong one in my cart.

Also, I agree I should take some more time on the monitor as it is a large part of the set up. I'm not sure I want to expand the budget to grab the one you linked but I'll definitely do some more research.

Thanks again guys! Any feedback from others is very welcome!
May 27, 2012 4:40:40 PM

looks good to me also. IMO with OC'ing being a maybe, I would opt in for a CWS (closed waterloop system) since prices for these kits are awesome. Take a look at corsairs H60 or Antec Khuler line. for under $100 bucks its a good option if you wanna OC later on.
May 27, 2012 5:12:14 PM

frozonic, thank you for the input, is there a reason you prefer G.Skills to the Corsair Vengeance? I only ask because they are the same price ($49.99) and most recommendations I've seen were for Corsair. And I mean the corsair geofelt linked to a bove, not the too-tall one in my original post.

Also, it is a good deal on the PSU/Case combo. TheBigTroll - thats why I chose the 500R over the 300R or 400R. I'm with you on the picking one of the cheaper models, but with the combo and MIR of the PSU with the 500R, it actually ends up cheaper or as cheap as the lower models so why not, right?

Thanks again for input. Keep it coming.
May 27, 2012 6:08:00 PM

Lose that RAM with those tall cake cutter heat spreaders or you are going to impede that cpu heatsink. Other than a hair comb those tall heat spreaders serve no purpose.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E... <----- Look at the G.Skill Ares (orange or blue), Corsair LOW PROFILE Vengeance (black or blue) or the Mushkin Blackline on that link.


Here's some options to consider and a 750w psu so you have some headroom.

http://www.amazon.com/PC-Power-Cooling-Performance-comp... $106.85 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 750W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandy Bridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite... $219.98 save: $30.00 - $20.00 Mail In Rebates FREE SHIPPING
Corsair Carbide Series 500R White Steel structure with molded ABS plastic accent pieces ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/asrock_z77_extreme... <----- review of that board with benchmarks

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z77%20Extre... <----- another look at that board along with a link to the most recent bios update

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-SSDNow-120GB-Solid-KW-S2... $114.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Kingston SSDNow V+200 120GB SATA III 6Gb/s 2.5 Inch Solid State Drive KW-S2120-4B

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1874/ <----- review of that Kingston 120GB SSD

http://www.amazon.com/VS228H-P-21-5-Inch-Full-HD-Monito... $129.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
ASUS VS228H-P 21.5-Inch Full-HD LED Monitor (Black) | LED Backlit with 50,000,000:1 ASUS Smart Contrast Ratio; Full 1080P with HDMI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $28.99 FREE SHIPPING
TP-LINK TL-WN881ND Wireless N Adapter IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCI Express x1 Up to 300Mbps Wireless Data Rates Supports 64/128 WEP, WPA /WPA2/WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK(TKIP/AES), supports IEEE 802.1X

or...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $44.99 FREE SHIPPING
TP-LINK TL-WDN4800 Wireless N Dual Band Adapter IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n PCI Express x1 Up to 450Mbps Wireless Data Rates Support 64/128 bit WEP, WPA-PSK/WPA2-PSK, 802.1x

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR... $17.99 Free Standard Shipping (3-5 days)
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)

or...

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-AD-7280S-0B-Internal-Drive-B... $17.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Sony AD-7280S-0B 24x SATA Internal DVD+/-RW Drive (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Intern... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1 TB 7200RPM SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST1000DM003
May 27, 2012 8:26:27 PM

Thank you for those ideas Why_Me. And I can't condone piracy either so I'll be buying the OS.
May 28, 2012 12:16:52 AM

Why_Me - Do you think the Gigabyte version is the one to get? Or should I wait for the Asus TOP to be available? Or is it irrelevant and EVGA and MSI would be just as good? Thanks
May 28, 2012 12:19:57 AM

the gigabyte and the asus ones are about par on each other. the evga ftw is a good one too. do not get the reference design ones other than from evga
May 28, 2012 12:27:04 AM

raindog85 said:
Why_Me - Do you think the Gigabyte version is the one to get? Or should I wait for the Asus TOP to be available? Or is it irrelevant and EVGA and MSI would be just as good? Thanks

Non reference design cards usually run cooler and for that reason can be o/c higher than reference cards. The only draw back with non reference cards is that they vent heat into the case and not out the back like a reference card. If you have a case with good cooling/airflow then non reference cards are nice. A soon as Nvidia finishes binning their cards for the gtx 660 due out the end of this summer you will see more non reference cards on the market. MSI always has their Twin Frozr (freezer) which is always a good one, Gigabyte skipped the reference design all together which was a good move on their part seeing how it's the only one on the market atm and a lot of people want that card for it's over clocking ability. Again if you have a case with good airflow then that Gigabyte card is a nice touch otherwise it's not that big a deal imo.
May 30, 2012 11:32:42 AM

Thanks for all the input. I ended up getting the Asus TOP G670

Any suggestions for a 21-23" monitor in the $100-200 range? I had wanted to get the Asus VS228H-P which was $129 on Amazon but is no longer available.
May 30, 2012 11:48:15 AM

raindog85 said:
Thanks for all the input. I ended up getting the Asus TOP G670

Any suggestions for a 21-23" monitor in the $100-200 range? I had wanted to get the Asus VS228H-P which was $129 on Amazon but is no longer available.

http://www.amazon.com/ML228H-21-5-Inch-Ultra-Thin-Integ... $151.00 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
ASUS ML228H 21.5-Inch Ultra-Thin Full-HD LED Monitor |
May 30, 2012 1:57:58 PM

Thanks why_me. Looks like an option, but any reason you recommend that model? Also it is about the same price as the vs228hp is on Newegg - can anyone comment on which is better?

Thanks as always for the great feedback
May 30, 2012 3:50:42 PM

One more thing - if I wanted to add a blue ray burner, does anyone have suggestions for a good retail burner?
May 30, 2012 4:04:46 PM

look at lg, asus or plextor. plextor s the best but the most expensive
May 30, 2012 7:15:15 PM

raindog85 said:
Thanks why_me. Looks like an option, but any reason you recommend that model? Also it is about the same price as the vs228hp is on Newegg - can anyone comment on which is better?

Thanks as always for the great feedback

That monitor has a lower (quicker) response time (2ms) than the other monitor (5ms) and the integrated speakers, and it's touch response hence the higher price.
May 30, 2012 7:21:47 PM

All TN Panel monitors are pretty much the same, minus 120Hz.
May 30, 2012 10:25:52 PM

their isnt much of a diference between 120hz monitors either other than the fact that it costs more and can display more frames per second
May 30, 2012 10:26:39 PM

There is, because 120Hz monitors have less input lag and can show smooth gameplay in fast-paced games.
May 30, 2012 10:34:40 PM

you wont see much difference between 60 frames and 80 frames. 120hz is good for 3D though. if you put it this way, why not just play on a plasma tv? it has a response time of 0.1ms and can display 600hz
May 31, 2012 12:27:10 PM

OK, below is what I decided on for components and already began ordering and receiving some pieces. Can anyone take a quick look and just confirm all the parts will be compatible and everything is covered? I know I may not have got the best bang for my buck but this is my first homebuilt PC and I'm very excited about my selections. Also, are there any suggestions for a monitor? Why_Me recommended the Asus ML228H but a lot of reviews talk about a smudge mark on the screen. I've been looking at the Asus VS229H-P. VS248H-P, and VE247H and VS238H-P. I don't care between 21.5-24" but want to make sure I pick a good monitor that will last a while. Thanks again for all the help!

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
Motherboard: Asus P8Z77-V ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$405

Hard Drive: Seagate ST2000DM001 Barracuda 7200RPM 2 TB SATA 6 GB/s NCQ 64 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005T3GRN2/ref=oh_deta...
$110

Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0033Z2BAQ/ref=ox_sc_a...
$18

Case: Corsair 500R White ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$175 (-$30 MIR)


CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$34

Memory: Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8 GB PC3-12800 1600mhz 240-Pin DDR3 Dual Channel Memory Kit SDRAM CML8GX3M2A1600C9
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00569K7LM/ref=oh_deta...
$50

Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($128.99 @ Newegg)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=yGD3XqgT...
$100

Video Card: ASUS GTX670-DC2T-2GD5 GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$430

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$100 (-$20 Newegg GC)

Total: $1422 [-50 rebates & GC] = $1372 Total w/o monitor
May 31, 2012 3:34:42 PM

Another quick newb question. If I receive all the parts except the gtx 670, will it cause a problem if I build the rig and then add the gpu later when I get it. Or will that be a huge hassle? Thanks
May 31, 2012 5:10:42 PM

no it shouldnt cause any problems, but i just dont like the idea of that
May 31, 2012 6:20:12 PM

raindog85 said:
Another quick newb question. If I receive all the parts except the gtx 670, will it cause a problem if I build the rig and then add the gpu later when I get it. Or will that be a huge hassle? Thanks

No problems at all. You can use the on die HD 4000 graphics until then. If you have plans of running two of those cards in SLI you want a 750w psu.
May 31, 2012 7:56:15 PM

hd4000 will be enough to play some low-end games or work
June 1, 2012 2:42:28 AM

Thanks Why_Me and TBT. I am expecting the gtx 670 next week but should have everything else tomorrow and just wanted to see if it was an issue to build it this weekend and then add the GPU later. Thanks.

Any other monitor suggestions from anyone? 22-24" 1080p 1920x1080 in $100-200 range
June 1, 2012 2:53:34 AM

vs247h-p or ve247h from asus. from what i know and what i have experienced, they are pretty decent. if you need IPS, for that price, get a LG
June 1, 2012 3:02:27 AM

Ok, I'm leaning heavily towards the ve247h, but does anyone have comments/experience with either the vs248h-p or the vs229h-p? Both look pretty nice and in the same price range

Thanks for your recommendation TBT
June 1, 2012 3:11:37 AM

the difference between the ve247h and the vs247h-p is that the vs is the newer model and has a higher dynamic contrast ratio (they are about the same in real-world). also, i would get the vs because its half as thick= thin
June 1, 2012 3:46:57 AM

i couldnt find anything about the 22inch so i checked the 23 inch one and it looks pretty dam good
June 1, 2012 12:43:11 PM

Yeah, it does look pretty good but its been hard to find any reviews/comments on the models unfortunately.
June 1, 2012 12:44:11 PM

Also, can anyone confirm the components in post 26 will be compatible and I haven't screwed up and ordered a piece that won't work with another.

Thanks a lot!
June 1, 2012 12:59:13 PM

your build will work
June 1, 2012 12:59:24 PM

your build will work
June 7, 2012 12:33:34 PM

Hi everyone, thank you so much for the advice! I put my build together over the weekend and everything worked perfectly. I then received my GTX 670 on Monday and installed it and it seems to be working correctly, but I cannot get any output from the HDMI port of the card. When I use DVI, everything runs perfectly, but it will not pick up a video signal from the HDMI port. I have tried everything and have already submitted an RMA to Newegg.

My question is should I refresh the computer with the GTX 670 installed and see if it picks it up? Because I can't help but think it is something I've failed to do correctly as the card definitely works, its just getting the HDMI output working.
!