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I'm planning a new system, strictly for Processing Photos and perhaps Video in the future. I am considering the following components:

-Antec 1100 case
-Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H mobo
-Intel I7-3820 CPU
-Corsair Vengeance 16GB, CMZ16GX3M4X1600C9G RAM
-Corsair CMPSU-850HX PSU
-SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5-Inch 256GB SATA
-Hitachi 2 Tb data drive
-Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE ODD
-EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1024 MB, if required???

No games, just production.

Questions:
1. Will the Onboard video suffice?
2. I know that PS CS6 can offload to the GPU. Does this happen with the Onboard GPU?
3. Any comments on components?

I will eventually upgrade to a 36mp camera. The RAW files are approx. 72mb each. I need power, but am trying to do this on a budget.

C & C welcome.....

Thank you,
PhilR
 
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You have chosen the wrong motherboard for that cpu , the cpu is a LGA 2011 socket and the motherboard is a LGA 1155 socket. So if you want to keep that cpu then you will have to choose a different MB.
I would get the seperate video card because you may need the Cuda cores for your work. The Sandy Bridge-E cpu does not have intergrated graphics so you would need the seperate video card. The LGA 1155 cpu does have intergrated graphics (HD-3000) and you may be able to use it for your work but I still think your better off with a seperate video card.
 
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Thank you, I do appreciate your advice. I originally had a dif mobo selected. Decided not to spend $329 for an ASUS Sabertooth X79. I like your suggestions.

I could change the cpu to the I7-2600 or I7-3770K. I'll prob get 2-8gb ram sticks to start and add 2 more in the future. I'll prob go with the EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1024 MB, unless you have a better plan. Not sure if this is overkill for what I will be doing. I do know that the NVIDIA chipset is what I need.....seems to work better with ProSho Producer.

Thx,
PhilR
 
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The Nvidia works better because of the Cuda cores in the card and that's why I had suggested to go with a seperate video card because the onboard Intel HD-3000 is not going to have the Cuda cores.
I would caution you to make sure that whatever cpu and motherboard you buy you have to make sure that your getting the same socket.You have to match the cpu socket type to that of the socket on the motherboard. The i7-2600 is a LGA 1155 socket so the motherboard has to have the same 1155 socket for that cpu to fit. If you go with the i7-3770K then you want to get the same 1155 socket but also the Z77 chipset on the motherboard and with the 2600 you want the Z68 chipset on the motherboard. If thats confusing then just post in here before you buy and we can then make it clear , just have decided which cpu you want to go with.
 
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Ok, how does this add up?

-Antec 1100 case
-Gigabyte GA-X79-UD5 LGA 2011 Intel X79 mobo
-Intel I7-3820 CPU
-Corsair Vengeance 16GB, CMZ16GX3M4X1600C9G RAM
-Corsair CMPSU-850HX PSU
-SAMSUNG 830 Series 2.5-Inch 256GB SATA
-Hitachi 2 Tb data drive
-Samsung SH-222BB/BEBE ODD
-EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1024 MB

Not sure if I should add a CPU cooler.......

You mentioned the Z77 chipset for the I7-3820. What is the diff between the Z77 an Z97?

I do appreciate you taking the time to assist.

Thx,
Phil R
 
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In your previous post you had mentioned the i7-2600 and the i7-3770 and I had said to put the i7-3770 with the Z77 chipset , now your back to the i7-3820 which is a 2011 socket and you have correctly matched it to a LGA 2011 socket motherboard. The Z77 only comes on the LGA 1155 socket motherboard while the X79 chipset only comes on the LGA 2011 socket motherboard.
You will have to add a cpu cooler because the i7-3820 does not come with one and depending on whether or not you will be overclocking will depend on what you should get for a cpu cooler.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

This one is good for some mild overclocking and also if you intend on not doing any.
The build as you have it is very good and if you don't intend on adding another video card then you could save some money by going with a 650w psu , but that's up to you. I tend to go a little higher than I need on the power supply so that I always have enough and you can do the same with a 750w psu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139010

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139035
 
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Thank you, more good info. I'll prob go with the 850w PSU, since I will most likely transfer some HDs from my old Quad. I expect $ HDs + the SSD, 1 - Video card....
That's probably it.

I know that I keep changing components....just trying to get the best bang for the buck and keep the cost reasonable. I've ordered the Samsung 830 SSD, $249 from NewEgg......a weekend special yesterday. The other components will prob come from Amazon. They seem to be a little cheaper than NewEgg on these components. Also, I found a $20 rebate on the EVGA GPU.

Is there a configuration that you would recommend for approx. the same $$$$? I really do appreciate your advice.

I seem to be @ 1152 + the SSD. That's about as high as I would like to go. This PC will be strictly for editing photos and perhaps Video in the future......
No surfing, email, etc..... I've done this in the past and have had very little trouble. Wish I had followed my own guidelines on my current system. (I7-780, 16 gb Ram...., 3 gb SATA....need more speed and reliability)

My current Quad is not a happy camper at this juncture. I was BSOD'ng whenever I ran Lightroom 4. Errors point to probs with the SATA controllers. I've negotiated a replacement mobo with Gigabyte, under warranty. There is no guarantee that this will resolve my problem. Building a new, single purpose PC seems like a reasonable idea at this time.

Thx,
PhilR

 
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That's a very good deal on the Samsung SSD and shopping around is the best way to get the best price , also shipping costs can add up and Amazon has free shipping for qualified parts over $25 , while Newegg is hit or miss.
There are a lot of different configurations that you can go with and at the end of the day you want what's going to work best for your needs.
The deal with the cpu's is this , the Sandy Bridge will draw 95w of power , and the Sandy Bridge-E will draw 130w of power , While the Ivy Bridge draws 77w of power. The K model of any cpu can be overclocked whils the non K model cannot so with the non K model the stock speed that you have is what you stay with while the K model if you need jigher speed you can overclock. If with what your intended use is for the computer you don't need to overclock then the cpu that you chose is good and you won't need more than one video card so the motherboard that you chose is good .
There is one thing that I am wondering about and that is the photo and video editing and what exactly do you need for that to be done in a good enough speed and overall performance when it comes to the video card. They do have video cards with different amounts of v-ram on them and that v-ram is soley for the use of the card and not the system. So would a video card with 2gb , 3gb or 4gb be of any added use to what you do? I'm thinking that a video card with 2gb of v-ram would be a benefit to your photo and video editing. Found this one on Amazon with a $30 rebate.

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Mini-HDMI-Graphics-02G-P3-1559-KR/dp/B004XUCCS6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338226464&sr=8-1

Of course this would only be if the extra v-ram will be of help to you.
 
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Excellent...............Good choice of GPU......I really was not sure. I was just going with a moderate level card from Maximum PC.
Overclocking......have not tried. I'm most interested in stability and speed. If a moderate OC would be stable, I would have not trouble giving it a shot. No prob to add Liquid cooling. I know that I could add it for ~$100 or less. What are your thoughts.

Thank you,
PhilR
 
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131830 $209.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504 $239.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233197 $97.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099 $33.99

Ok here is a build for you to consider and it will actually end up costing you a little less and you will be able to overclock the cpu to whatever your comfotable with. The Asus boards I have found to be very user friendly and the come with preprogramed overclock settings in the bios , so that someone with little or no experience can just select a setting in the bios for a cpu overclock and the settings being preprogramed will just be applied without you worrying about doing the right thing. This is a great way for someone to start out and gain some experience with overclocking and if you go no futher then you don't have to if you are happy with those settings. There are several to choose from so you can increase it if you need to.
The cpu does not come with a cooler so I listed one and with a moderate overclock you won't need a liquid cooler, the ram wants to be dual channel so I listed one of those as well. You can of course shop around for cheaper prices it was kust easier for me to get the parts from one place.
The preprogramed overclock that is in the bios is completely stable and you should not have any problems as that is tested before the settings were put in there for us to use.
 
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inzone5:
Ok, again, you are spending way too much time and effort on my build, but it is greatly appreciated, I can assure you.
The only prob I see with your build is the cpu. I need an I7 for Multi-threading. Supposedly, CS6 and LR will benefit from this.
So the question is, which CPU for the most bang for the buck and moderate OC???

I am considering the following Cooler, recommended by MaximumPC for their Performance Build (this is where most of my components come from)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835146012&Tpk=nzxt%20havik%20120

Also, I found an article that describes how to unlock a GPU for CS6 to offload some processing. I will try this using the GPU you previously suggested.

--> http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm

Please comment on the CPU and if I should stick with 1155. If so, I am back with the I7-2600K?.....I can live with this....what say yee????????...LOL....

Thx again,
Phil R
 
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Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K
$349.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501

Ok you do have a choice so if you want to wait untill this comes back in stock or try to pick it up from Amazon (in stock) you can stay with the other parts that I listed.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-3770K-processor-BX80637I73770K/dp/B007SZ0EOW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338251022&sr=8-1

If you prefer you can switch to the i7-2600K and then change the motherboard to a Z-68.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271

Also the ram to dual channel;

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233198
 
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Ok, we are so close........


The mobo only has 4 mem slots. I think I will go for 2 - 8gb strips so that I can upgrade in the future if necessary.

Looks like I would have to go with:

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-1600MHz-Memory-CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10/dp/B006EWUO22/ref=sr_1_15?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1338254326&sr=1-15

$137 instead of $97.98......not sure if it worth it. 16gb sounds like a good #. What do ya think?

Also, the mobo specs indicate 6 - 6gb SATA, 2 - 3gb SATA + + 2 - 6gb SATA RAID. It does not look like the board has 8 SATA connectors. If it does, I imagine I could disable the RAID feature and hav +2 - 6gb SATA????


Also #2, this board appears to have integrated graphics.....no biggie, prob a good thing for diags with the GPU out of the mobo.


Thx,

Phil
 
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Ok, so the final solution will prob be:

I7-3770K

ASUS Maximus V Genie

16 gb Corsair Vengeance Blue

Corsair HX Pro Series 750 w PSU

Samsung 830 SSD

EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti 2048 mb

Samsung SH-222 OD

Antec 1100 Case

HDs from the Old sys, 2 tb Hitachi to start

Thx,

PhilR
 
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The selection of the ram was not a lock it was just to get the 8gb listed and as always the final build would be exactly what you want and ecerything would be looked over before hitting the buy button.

The sata ports are all available for use and it's just that certian ones were to be used for a raid setup and if there was no raid setup then they could be used as regular sata ports.

Once a video card is installed the intergrated graphics is diabled so that's not a concern and if there was an occasion where the video card was out , maybe for repair if defective , you would still have the onboard to use and the new HD4000 is a lot better so you wouldn't be too dirupted.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233280 $116.99
 
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Ok I think that you are there and I think that you have a nice build and should serve you well.
 
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Thank you much and thx for the heads up on the RAM........a long haul, but with your guidance, I am there.



Good Night,

PhilR

Come on down to S. Florida so that I can buy you lunch...............
 
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How can I email or contact you.........

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Keep in mind that the 550 is not "officially" supported for Adobe Premiere Pro's mercury playback engine (what makes Nvidia cards ROCK in Premiere Pro) All you will need to do is add a text line, but there MAY be a feature or two that doesn't work (I've heard of some people not being able to preview render). So if you aren't using Premiere, CUDA cores aren't as big of a difference (some of the bench tests I've seen show ATI leading when MPE was not used)

There are a couple of encoding instances where an onboard vid processor actually works better than vid cards do, there are articles here on Tom's about it I believe.

As I understand it, the vid card won't affect you PS experience too much, unless you are using some of the 3d modeling features. PS wants to see memory, Premiere and After Effects want to see video cards and cores. With files from a med format camera (I assume, due to stated mp and file size) you will eat through that 16 gb surprisingly quickly once you start tossing in layers and effects. Check it out once you have the machine, I expect you'll want that extra 16gb pretty quick. Oh, and make darn sure you are using a 64bit OS to get use of that memory above 3 gb.

Forgive me if you already know this (or any of the above), but here is a handy link for basic tuning of PS into your system, most applies to cs6 as well, and I'm sure there is a cs6 version of this page, I'm just too tired to find it.
http://blogs.adobe.com/crawlspace/2011/05/how-to-tune-photoshop-cs5-for-peak-performance.html
Take note of setting different drives for different purposes. I personally prefer to have a different drive for scratch, render, storage, and os/programs. Not all systems and uses will see a HUGE difference that way, but it helps.

As for cooling, you should be just fine with that. I've been poring over this type of particular system for about a week now (switching from Mac to PC) for myself. My only concern is long (overnight) encodes. I went with the coolmaster 612, and MAY end up getting a liquid system when I can actually test long term heat build up. Initially i was focused on the H100 liquid cooler ($100) but it was overkill.

And finally, don't forget to look into hyper threading. Unlike the original SandyBeach processors, the Sandy Beach-E does support it. Should help vid work, if not PS.

 
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