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March 26, 2012 10:25:58 PM

I have a RAGE 128 PRO Ultra GL AGP video card, and I've been searching throughout the internet for MONTHS and can't seem to find the perfect replacement for this really outdated graphics card. I would be glad to provide my system's info if needed. All I ask is a response that helps conclude this old journey of mine.

Please help. :cry: 
a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 10:39:27 PM

Which motherboard are you using? The AGP bus is a very outdated bus, so you may want to consider an upgrade to your cpu and motherboard as well.
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a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 10:40:13 PM

Full specs, please. Is this still going to be a gaming build?
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March 26, 2012 10:47:05 PM

Yes, this is going to be a gaming build. But, I plan on using it to play games from pre-2000 to around 2006? Also, here are the full specs. :) 

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System Information
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Time of this report: 3/26/2012, 18:12:22
Machine name: CENSORED
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.111025-1629)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Dell Computer Corporation
System Model: Dimension 4300
BIOS: Default System BIOS
Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz
Memory: 256MB RAM
Page File: 365MB used, 2941MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 10.0 (4.10.0000.5512)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode
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Display Devices
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Card name: RAGE 128 PRO Ultra GL AGP (Microsoft Corporation)
Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
Chip type: RAGE128 PRO II, (AGP 4X/PCI)
DAC type: Internal DAC (350Mhz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5446&SUBSYS_04081002&REV_00
Display Memory: 16.0 MB
Current Mode: 1152 x 864 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Monitor: Dell E771a
Monitor Max Res: 1280,1024
Driver Name: ati2dvaa.dll
Driver Version: 6.13.0010.5019 (English)
DDI Version: 8
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 4/13/2008 20:11:49, 377984 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
VDD: n/a
Mini VDD: ati2mtaa.sys
Mini VDD Date: 8/3/2004 22:29:28, 327040 bytes

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a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 10:52:04 PM

Your system is severly outdated. The best card you could probably put in this system that is still for sale is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....

I would also consider upgrading your 256MB of system ram to 1GB+ if you are determined to continue using this pc for any gaming.
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March 26, 2012 10:57:38 PM

kelthic said:
Your system is severly outdated. The best card you could probably put in this system that is still for sale is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168....

I would also consider upgrading your 256MB of system ram to 1GB+ if you are determined to continue using this pc for any gaming.
Is this all I need? I'm hoping my dinosaur can run Grand Theft Auto 3 and Grand theft Auto Vice City. :) 
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a c 189 U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 11:07:28 PM

I would not recommend spending that much. Have you checked craigslist or ebay?
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a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 11:08:31 PM

This card and a ram upgrade should be enough to play these games, but i will not guarantee they will play at high settings nor entirely smoothly.
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March 26, 2012 11:14:57 PM

kelthic said:
This card and a ram upgrade should be enough to play these games, but i will not guarantee they will play at high settings nor entirely smoothly.

That's okay. I usually play my games on low settings. Besides, its all about gameplay and THEN graphics. :D 

Thanks so much! :wahoo: 

Last question: What specific video card do you recommend in the link that you've given me?
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a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 11:16:58 PM

Sorry the HIS 4670. As K1114 mentioned, there are several cards there that are lower priced, and also, you may be able to find a used card in your area for cheap as well.
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a c 189 U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 11:22:08 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Radeon-HD-3650-512-MB-AGP-D...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sapphire-ATI-Radeon-HD4650-HD-4...

Even a 3650 or 4650 can max those games and still go way beyond 100fps. Vice city recommended is 256mb of ram and 64mb graphics card (geforce 3 or radeon 8500). Here's a hierarchy chart, you can see it's ways above those, a 4650 can even play modern games on low. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
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March 26, 2012 11:26:31 PM

kelthic said:
Sorry the HIS 4670. As K1114 mentioned, there are several cards there that are lower priced, and also, you may be able to find a used card in your area for cheap as well.
Thank you SO much! Finally, a video card that my trusty PC needs! :ange: 

:) 
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a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 11:28:55 PM

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Even a 3650 or 4650 can max those games and still go way beyond 100fps. Vice city recommended is 256mb of ram and 64mb graphics card (geforce 3 or radeon 8500).
seems my rememberance of these games is a little off. Might be because i remember them fondly :) 
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March 26, 2012 11:30:14 PM

k1114 said:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ATI-Radeon-HD-3650-512-MB-AGP-D...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sapphire-ATI-Radeon-HD4650-HD-4...

Even a 3650 or 4650 can max those games and still go way beyond 100fps. Vice city recommended is 256mb of ram and 64mb graphics card (geforce 3 or radeon 8500). Here's a hierarchy chart, you can see it's ways above those, a 4650 can even play modern games on low. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

Thank you, too, k1114! This has been a great big help. I can't wait to play Vice City! :bounce: 

:D 
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a c 189 U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 11:34:18 PM

Can you check your psu, from what I can search you may have a 250w which is enough but I just want to make sure.
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March 26, 2012 11:44:44 PM

k1114 said:
Can you check your psu, from what I can search you may have a 250w which is enough but I just want to make sure.
As of right now, I am using my dino of a PC to read and reply to these answers. So, I might have to give you the PSU results later tonight or tomorrow. May I PM you the results, or bump this thread?
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a c 189 U Graphics card
March 26, 2012 11:46:24 PM

1 day isn't a bump and is fine.
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March 26, 2012 11:49:10 PM

k1114 said:
1 day isn't a bump and is fine.
Okay, then. The thread it is. :) 
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2012 12:05:54 AM

Buy a used pc from somebody - one with a more recent cpu/ram/gpu.
-Bruce
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March 27, 2012 12:58:18 AM

k1114 said:
Can you check your psu, from what I can search you may have a 250w which is enough but I just want to make sure.

All I could dig up from the PSU sticker was:

Model: Dell Model NPS 250GB B
Input: 100-120V
200-240V
170W
Output: ???
250W MAX

Is this enough information? :??: 
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2012 1:35:05 AM

While the overall wattage of the psu seems ok, i would look at the amperage on the 12v rail if i were you. Everything i can see states 20-25amps on the 12v rail for a 4850, and I am guessing your psu is an older style with more of the amperage on the 5v rail than on the 12v rail.
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a c 189 U Graphics card
March 27, 2012 4:06:13 AM

It's 14a. That is what I was looking at earlier when I searched. You may have an issue with these cards especially with the age of the psu. The 4650 uses the least out of these. You also have pci which may open a few more doors. What is your budget anyways? It may be simpler to buy a used pc, I can usually find full core 2 duo rigs with decent cards for ~$150 on craigslist.
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April 6, 2012 11:17:57 AM

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