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May 30, 2012 7:33:13 AM

Hello all. This is my second build, and I'll be utilizing some parts from my previous build a few years ago. Namely:

*1000w PS
*HDD
*optical drive
*sound card

Unfortunately my future-proof case investment (Antec 1200) was way too big to bring, as was my monitor. The big thing to keep in mind is I'm trying to do as much of the shopping as possible here in Japan. Customs can and do go through international mail and the duties can be substantial. Selection is a little bit limited (although more by my lack of Japanese than anything) and prices can be much, much higher. So with that in mind, please only recommend alternates if they are substantially better or if what I've chosen is simply awful.

Also note that the dollar is weak and the yen is strong, and that I am paid in yen. Although the official exchange is 80yen to the dollar, the actual cost of living means that it's more like 100yen on the dollar (which also makes math much easier).

Needs/expectations: decent FPS at 1920x1200 [Now 1900x1080 I guess!] in anything I throw at it. Possibly single-monitor 3D in the future. Best value for the money, budgeting around Y150,000 (~$1500).

Here's what I've sourced so far:

Mobo: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 [combo deal with CPU]
CPU: Core i5-3570 Y32,800 [CPU/MOBO combo]
GPU: GeForce Palit Microsystems GTX670 JetStream Y42,000 (this benches at par with reference 680 for $200 less)
SSD: 120GB Corsair CSSD-F120GB3A Y10,800
Memory: Corsair 2x8GB 1600Mhz DDR3 Y10,500
Case: Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Y8,500
Monitor: Dell U2312HM 23" IPS panel Y15,000
CPU cooler: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO Y3,600
OS: Win 7 64 Professional Student Upgrade download: $65

Total: Y123,200 [~$1550 USD but more like ~$1200 in terms of spending power/cost of living] + $65 for OS

Your opinion? :D 

EDIT: switched to IB from i5-2700K
EDIT 2: HAF922->Antec 902 / U2412M -> U2312HM / added CPU cooler ... price has come down quite a bit!
EDIT 3: going to go the student upgrade route as my ex has graciously offered to let me use her info :D 
May 30, 2012 9:36:39 AM

hello sir, I live in Japan as well and if you want to get the absolute best price on PC parts in Japan, go on "http://kakaku.com/pc/". Then type in the part number ie;HAF X and then you will get the best prices from tons of shops in Japan. The shipping price is also shown.
May 30, 2012 2:36:42 PM

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the absolute best price on PC parts in Japan, go on "http://kakaku.com/pc/".


Yep that's what I've been using in conjunction with bing translator and my girlfriend (although to her it's all just 'computer stuff' and doesn't make much sense, so she isn't fantastic for translating). It's a great site!
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May 30, 2012 2:50:05 PM

afterglowefx said:
Needs/expectations: decent FPS at 1920x1200 in anything I throw at it. Possibly single-monitor 3D in the future. Best value for the money, budgeting around Y150,000 (~$1500).

Here's what I've sourced so far:

Mobo: ASRock Fatal1ty P67 Performance Y9,000
CPU: Core i7-2700K Y25,500 (same price as 2600k)
GPU: GeForce Palit Microsystems GTX670 JetStream Y42,000 (this benches at par with reference 680 for $200 less)
SSD: 120GB Corsair CSSD-F120GB3A Y10,800
Memory: Corsair 2x8GB 1600Mhz DDR3 Y10,500 (memory is expensive in Japan)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 922 Y13,000 (cases are also expensive in Japan)
Monitor: Dell U2412M 24" IPS panel Y30,000

I haven't decided on a case fan or CPU cooler yet, it all depends on what I can find. I've also failed at every turn to find an SSD mounting bracket. I will probably have to buy the OS from the US: I can't find English OR OEM here, and Win7 Ultimate (includes English among 34 other languages) is nearly $400.

All up, including the OS if I get it from home, this should run around Y160,000 shipped. A bit over budget, but it seems to me to be a solid system at an alright price.

Your opinion? :D 

Motherboard and CPU aren't great choices. Go with ASRock Z77 Extreme4 and an i5-3570K - those are just about the best new gen value for money parts. What you have picked is a waste of money for last gen tech. Otherwise it's pretty nice. I don't think you'll need a separate SSD bracket unless that case is weird.
May 30, 2012 4:13:24 PM

FinneousPJ said:
Motherboard and CPU aren't great choices. Go with ASRock Z77 Extreme4 and an i5-3570K - those are just about the best new gen value for money parts. What you have picked is a waste of money for last gen tech. Otherwise it's pretty nice. I don't think you'll need a separate SSD bracket unless that case is weird.


Cheers for the quick reply. I think I'll take you up on moving to Ivy Bridge. I've been traveling or otherwise out of the country for the better part of two years and I'm a little behind the times. The prices are actually quite good too.

Regarding the ASRock Z77 Extreme4, it's quite expensive here (cheapest is Y15,000 [~$190]). The Pro3 is only about Y9700, and as far as I can tell from the following website I don't really need most of the features (no use for eSATA or 4x SATA 6GB and no plans for SLI so 2x PCI 3.0 is a waste, etc).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|13-157-293^13-157-293-02%23%2C13-157-297^13-157-297-02%23%2C13-157-296^13-157-296-02%23

That said, I will be OCing the CPU so if the Pro4 or Extreme4 offer a (very) significant advantage there I'd consider the extra cash. I'd rather put it toward a CPU cooler, though, as for whatever reason they're about twice as expensive here.

OP edited to reflect changes.

Ah and a quick edit, the HAF 922 only has 3.5" bays so it's either two-sided tape or a mounting bracket for the SSD =\
May 30, 2012 5:39:36 PM

Yeah definitely get the Pro if you know you're never gonna SLI.
May 31, 2012 1:34:19 AM

Hey, I just checked out the Asrock Z77 Pro3 in Japan and Sofmap seems to be the best choice. If you live in a big Japanese city, you probably have a sofmap electronics store close to you. If so, you should go sign up for their membership card. For anything you buy at sofmap, 10% will be points. So for example if you spend 1000 yen, you will get 100 yen in points which you can then use to buy other pc components. The asrock Pro3 at sofmap also has free shipping and it costs 9920JPY.

http://www.sofmap.com/product_detail/exec/_/sku=1183063...

Otherwise, I found a 3570k and Gigabyte Ga-Z77MX-D3H combo on sale for 31400JPY at this link.
http://www.sofmap.com/product_detail/exec/_/sku=8001760...

If you aren't sure about the Z77MX-D3H motherboard, here's the link to the anandtech review. It seems like an excellent MOBO especially for the price.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5850/gigabyte-gaz77mxd3h-...

Sofmap has tons of other pretty good motherboard+CPU combos. Here's the link to those.
http://www.sofmap.com/topics/exec/_/id=4993/-/sid=0

Also, the same corsair vengeance memory costs 300 yen less at sofmap and shipping should be free as well.
http://www.sofmap.com/product_detail/exec/_/sku=1184989...

The HAF 922 case is good, but it doesn't seem to have USB 3.0 so I would suggest getting the NZXT phantom 410 (11169JPY) or Fractal Design Define R3 (8980JPY) instead. The define r3 has noise dampening and the phantom 410 has a more cool styling to it. Both these cases are again sold at sofmap and other online shops.

As for the monitor, I would recommend you get the asus VS229H-P. It's a dirt cheap IPS monitors and all the reviews i've seen from it are excellent. It's almost 3 times less than the dell 2412M. Save 20000yen and spend it on something else instead. Amazon Japan has the best price. I didn't post the link on here because it was extremely long. Just type VS229H-P. For that price, you could also get a dual monitor setup and still spend less than the one dell monitor. Don't confuse it with other "VS" series monitors because some are not IPS.
May 31, 2012 6:18:50 AM

FinneousPJ - Awesome, thanks for the info.

IntegratedGraphics - I live in Gunma in a fairly small city so I'm not sure if Sofmap has a store near me (maybe in Maebashi?) ... I'll have to have my girlfriend check. They seem like they have great prices and free shipping + store points saves me a lot. On that motherboard/CPU combo link you gave me I found some awesome deals -- I think I'll get the Extreme4 after all because with the combo it's quite cheap!

Regarding the Dell, I don't mind spending a bit more on a superior monitor. After all, it's the bit that you use the most! And as to the case, I didn't realize the front ports were 2.0 only. I'll have to check out the cases you mentioned.

Thanks for all your time, some great info there that's already saved me money :D 

tinnitus - haha, you managed to find English win7 right on Amazon. Bing Translator wasn't using the correct kanji I guess because I never found it. I can't make out if it's 64 bit or not, though? And cool case, but a bit expensive for me!
May 31, 2012 8:48:31 AM

IntegratedGraphics said:
Hey, I just checked out the Asrock Z77 Pro3 in Japan and Sofmap seems to be the best choice. If you live in a big Japanese city, you probably have a sofmap electronics store close to you. If so, you should go sign up for their membership card. For anything you buy at sofmap, 10% will be points. So for example if you spend 1000 yen, you will get 100 yen in points which you can then use to buy other pc components. The asrock Pro3 at sofmap also has free shipping and it costs 9920JPY.

http://www.sofmap.com/product_detail/exec/_/sku=1183063...

Otherwise, I found a 3570k and Gigabyte Ga-Z77MX-D3H combo on sale for 31400JPY at this link.
http://www.sofmap.com/product_detail/exec/_/sku=8001760...

If you aren't sure about the Z77MX-D3H motherboard, here's the link to the anandtech review. It seems like an excellent MOBO especially for the price.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5850/gigabyte-gaz77mxd3h-...

Sofmap has tons of other pretty good motherboard+CPU combos. Here's the link to those.
http://www.sofmap.com/topics/exec/_/id=4993/-/sid=0

Also, the same corsair vengeance memory costs 300 yen less at sofmap and shipping should be free as well.
http://www.sofmap.com/product_detail/exec/_/sku=1184989...

The HAF 922 case is good, but it doesn't seem to have USB 3.0 so I would suggest getting the NZXT phantom 410 (11169JPY) or Fractal Design Define R3 (8980JPY) instead. The define r3 has noise dampening and the phantom 410 has a more cool styling to it. Both these cases are again sold at sofmap and other online shops.

As for the monitor, I would recommend you get the asus VS229H-P. It's a dirt cheap IPS monitors and all the reviews i've seen from it are excellent. It's almost 3 times less than the dell 2412M. Save 20000yen and spend it on something else instead. Amazon Japan has the best price. I didn't post the link on here because it was extremely long. Just type VS229H-P. For that price, you could also get a dual monitor setup and still spend less than the one dell monitor. Don't confuse it with other "VS" series monitors because some are not IPS.

Good info except about the screen. I'd say get the best monitor you can, it may be the component that most affects your enjoyment and will probably be with you through a couple of hardware upgrades.
May 31, 2012 9:01:39 AM

oh and one more thing. I think I may have just found an amazing case +PSU combo. The Fractal design define R3 which costs around 10000 yen + an antec EA-650 80 plus bronze PSU which costs 5700 yen and the combo only costs 12000 yen. It's only for a limited time and the website I found the combo deal on sells tons of other pc parts.
http://www.dospara.co.jp/5shopping/detail_set.php?bg=1&...

And sorry to bother you with the whole monitor choice, but I found another dell ultrasharp IPS panel but this time for the astounding low price of 14980 on dell's own website. Strangely enough it's much cheaper in Japan because on newegg, the U2312HM costs 249 on sale. It has a standard 3 year "premium warranty" on it so I don't think you can go wrong with it.

http://accessories.apj.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?...

That's about all the info I found. The PSU and case combo definitely seems like an excellent deal because the PSU costs 58$ in the US and the fractal R3 109$. The fractal R3 is also a case I was considering buying for my own build because it has noise dampening and overall it seems like a well-rounded case.
May 31, 2012 2:52:41 PM

Integrated -

Great find on that monitor!! I had sourced the U2412M on Rakuten after failing to find it on Kakaku and resigned myself to spending 3万 to get it, but the U2312HM is only an inch shorter on the top and I don't care at all about 16:10 vs. 16:9. What an awesome deal at only Y15000! (And I have since found all the Dell stuff on Kakaku but the U2412M is still 1万 more... not worth it for one inch!) From what I have read the two perform pretty much identically, so the U2312HM definitely seems like a better bet for the money. Thanks again :D 

And about the case + PSU combo, it's good but I've already got a 1000w PSU from a previous build. I just now found an Antec 902 on Kakaku for Y8500 which has a USB 3.0 out so I'll go with that. I had an Antec 1200 at home so I know pretty much exactly what I'm getting, and with free shipping from Amazon.jp it's a great deal.

Stoked about that monitor find, you just saved me $200.
!