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New Mobo, Processor, Graphics card and RAM for around 700€ help?

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May 30, 2012 7:07:12 PM

Hello guys,

I appreciate every help i can get! I would like to upgrade my old system cause it started to suck at new games. Plan to play in 1080p, maybe do some other stuff, and a bit programming (started studying).
And would like to play all new and upcoming games on ultra +30fps if possible to not change my new build for about 2 years. So thank you forwards for your answers and sorry for my English I'm from Austria.

Proc: Phenom II x3 720BE
GPU: Sapphire Radeon HD 3870
RAM: 4GB DDR2 800Mhz Corsair
MOBO: Gigabyte MA-790X-UD3P

This will stay the same:
CASE: Antec 900
PSU: Corsair VX550W
HDD: Western Digital 500GB SATA II
Monitor? Samsung S24A350HS(planning to buy this under 200 € better suggestions?)


What i was thinking:

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Prozessor (3,4GHz, 6MB Cache, Sockel 1155) boxed
or
Intel Core i7-3770K Prozessor (3,5GHz, L3 Cache, Sockel 1155)

MOBO: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Sockel 1155 Mainboard (ATX, Intel Z77, 4x DDR3, DVI-D, HDMI, 4x SATA III, 2x USB 3.0)
or
Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H Sockel 1155 Mainboard (ATX, 4x DDR3 Speicher, HDMI, DVI-D, 2x SATA III, 4x USB 3.0)

RAM: I don't know if I get a nice boost with 2133mhz and 1866 mhz rams or are these just fine:
Corsair Vengeance (PC1600, 8GB, CL9) DDR3-RAM Kit 2x4gb kit

GPU: Is really hard to decide what card is good enough for everything but should not cost alot money.
I've been looking these two cards:
Zotac NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 cores (PCI-e, 1280MB DDR3 Speicher, Dual-DVI, HDMI DisplayPort)
or
Sapphire ATI HD 7850 OC Grafikkarte 2GB (PCI-e, GDDR5 Speicher, HDMI, DVI, 2x mini-DP, 1 GPU)

I would like to have ivy bridge more than sandy bridge just because of the new tehnology, and alot of promises. Please help me to get nice 4 components for under 700€! And a suggestions for Monitor would be fine too if you have time. Thanks forwards!
Btw. I am buying at www.amazon.de !

May 30, 2012 7:27:28 PM

I would suggest i5-3570K, simply because its cheaper and when overclocked will perform more similarly to the i7-3770K since most games don't use more than 4 threads if that.
MoBo is based on what you need from your system as far as sockets and connections, I would pick the cheapest z77 chipset motherboard you can find that meets your requirements for connections.
RAM: I have read articles on here that suggest 1600MHz is the best price/performance and that 8GB is more than enough for all but the most extreme gamers, with that said I would look for a 2x4GB set of 1600 DDR3 with the lowest CL you can find for a good price.
For GPU I would look at Best Graphics Cards For The Money: May 2012 and get the best with the money left in your budget.

Best of Luck
May 30, 2012 7:30:01 PM

Thanks a lot! Can you tell me please if this Corsair Vengeance 2x4b kit 1600 mhz is good? and sorry but "lowest CL" what is CL? :) 
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May 30, 2012 7:37:23 PM

Any other suggestions? :) ) and what cpu cooler is cheap and has nice OC potencial :)  ? thx forward!
May 30, 2012 7:48:23 PM

Quote:
Corsair Vengeance (PC1600, 8GB, CL9) DDR3-RAM Kit 2x4gb kit


The CL9 above is short for CAS Latency with a value of 9milliseconds. The lower this number the faster the RAM can do its job, in simple terms. This set of memory looks good from a price/performance view. The CPU cooler I like is the CoolerMaster 212 Evo, it has good contact with the CPU, it moves a good amount of air, and it is not too loud, all for a good price.

Hope that helps some.
May 31, 2012 6:28:42 AM

Hello thank you for your answer.

So I think this will outperfrom very well:
GPU :
ASUS Nvidia GeForce ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 Grafikkarte (PCI-e, 1280MB GDDR5 Speicher, 2x DVI-I, 1x Display Port, 1x HDMI)
PROC:
Intel Core i5-3570K Prozessor (3,4GHz, 6MB Cache, Sockel 1155) boxed
MOBO:
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Sockel 1155 Mainboard (ATX, Intel Z77, 4x DDR3, DVI-D, HDMI, 4x SATA III, 2x USB 3.0)
RAM:
Corsair Vengeance Arbeitsspeicher (PC1600, 8GB, CL9) DDR3-RAM Kit 2x4gb kit
COOLER:
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU-Kühler (120mm)

So what do you think? Will my Corsair VX550W outperform this well? I am not going to SLI or something. ANd what do you think is the GTX570 worth the extra 40 € or just the Sapphire OC 7850 2GB???? Thank you :) 
May 31, 2012 3:19:35 PM

The GTX570 performs roughly the same as the 7850, so in my opinion save the 40 Eur.
Your Corsair VX550W should be able to handle all of this.
May 31, 2012 5:29:15 PM

Thanks!
what do you think is the 7870 OC Sapphire much better than the 7850 OC Sapphire?
And is this MSI Z77A-G43 Motherboard better than the ASRock Z77 Extreme4 i could save 30 € here.
May 31, 2012 5:32:32 PM

Which Z77 motherboard would just perform well in OC, USB 3.0 slots and 1 3.0 pcie and cheap
May 31, 2012 6:09:09 PM

I like MSI better than ASRock but that is just personal opinion, Six Sub-£160 Z77 Motherboards, Benchmarked And Reviewed looks at both the ASRock Extreme6 and the MSI z77A-G65, and it came to a split conclusion between the two motherboards you chose big brothers. So the question is, does the success of the big brothers (Extreme 6 and G65) translate into success of the little brothers (Extreme 4 and G43)? I don't have hands-on experience with either board but I would choose the board that most closely matches your needs as far as connectors, and look at customer reviews from online retailers (Newegg or TigerDirect etc).

The 7870 and 7850 are close in performance and so if the price is close enough for you to jump up to the 7870 then go for it, otherwise you probably won't be sorry you saved a few Eur.
May 31, 2012 6:15:36 PM

The price difference for 7870 OC Sapphire and 7850 OC Sapphire is 70 Euro :) 
So Sapphire 7850 OC = 240 €
Sapphire 7870 OC = 314 €
GTX 570 = 260 €
OR Sapphire 7950 not OC = 345€

What would you recommend?
May 31, 2012 6:38:51 PM

I kinda like that Sapphire OC 7870 for 314 € it has nice benchmarks and nice cooling, and I think it's future ready for about 2 Years what do you think? :) 
May 31, 2012 6:52:35 PM

I agree with your choice in video cards.
Unfortunately I am only a fledgling German language student, wir sind brüder im computerwelt.
May 31, 2012 7:20:47 PM

:)  I sent you just so you can see the pictures and benchmarks. So is a 7870 good buy?
May 31, 2012 9:03:09 PM

I did read the graphs and was impressed with the increase in performance the OC version had. I think the 7870 OC version is a good choice for a PCIe 3.0 graphics card, and with the system we have laid out you should be close to top-of-the-line for 2 years easy.
May 31, 2012 9:36:54 PM

So thanks a lot for your help!!!! Just one more thing to solve! :) 
My decision:
Intel core i5 3570k
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 2x4gb kit 1600mhz
Sapphire HD 7870 OC
Coolermaster evo 212 (if budget now enough, but if not 1-2 months later, I heard he can be easily clocked to 4ghz on stock cooler?)

and now the last thing.
I want to buy an Asus motherboard, they don't have the asrock extreme 4, althought i could get it from another site, but I am stuck between those two:

Asus p8z77-V and asus p8z77-M Pro

So is SLI or Crossfire really neccesary, I think i will run games real good for 2-3 years with the hd 7870 and than could just buy some new card and forget about that Crossfire? I don't like the blue gigabyte ones, and the MSI are just ugly brown for me :S SO please help :) ))
May 31, 2012 9:43:17 PM

or the asus z77 extreme 4? but it's kinda ugly on pictures with it's dark brown is it?

EDIT: Or is the asus z77 extreme 4-m also enough? :D 
May 31, 2012 10:23:02 PM

Quote:
or the asus z77 extreme 4

do you mean ASRock? I don't see an ASUS z77 extreme 4

The two ASUS motherboards you pointed out, along with the ASRock extreme 4, have 2 PCIe 3.0 slots allowing for crossfire. Crossfire will certainly increase your future performance substantially if you want to go that route. The differences, on paper, between these three motherboards is very small; but the price of the ASRock is $50 USD cheaper but has similar reviews and apparently good overclocking ability. I have my own preferences in brands (ASUS > MSI >ASRock) but those are not founded on lots of hands-on experience.

Quote:
My decision:
Intel core i5 3570k
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 2x4gb kit 1600mhz
Sapphire HD 7870 OC
Coolermaster evo 212

(based on US prices converted to Euros at 1USD=0.8085Eur) you would be at 660Eur with the ASRock extreme 4, and 706Eur with the ASUS P8Z77-V. So right in the budget.

Hope I've helped.
June 1, 2012 7:30:58 AM

But the asrock one also has 2 x pcie 3.0 doesn't it? or is the difference that in SLI this one has 8x/8x and the others 16/16 from asus?
June 1, 2012 12:12:29 PM

santino5 said:
But the asrock one also has 2 x pcie 3.0 doesn't it? or is the difference that in SLI this one has 8x/8x and the others 16/16 from asus?

Yes, the ones mentioned have 2 PCIe 3.0 and can Crossfire/SLI. I've read that today's best graphics cards do not suffer much performance loss by being in an 8x slot instead of 16x so I would focus less on that.
June 1, 2012 12:59:22 PM

Ok thank you I think I'll stay at the best selled and reviewed Asus P6Z77-V :) 
Will the Coolermaster Evo 212 OC it well? and what thermal paste do I need I have some 3 years old unpacked don't know from what manufacturer is it just vague or do I need a nice one? Or will my stock cooler do well to 4.0ghz.
June 1, 2012 1:39:02 PM

santino5 said:
Will the Coolermaster Evo 212 OC it well? and what thermal paste do I need I have some 3 years old unpacked don't know from what manufacturer is it just vague or do I need a nice one? Or will my stock cooler do well to 4.0ghz.

The stock cooler will work well at stock speeds, anything above that and the temperatures will rise, the question is how hot is too hot, and that is mostly personal preference, but it is a fact that a CPU will last longer and perform better at lower temperatures. The CoolerMaster 212 Evo will keep your CPU at a much lower temperature than the stock cooler but not as cool as other more expensive coolers, that comes down to how much are you willing to pay for performance and the Evo has a good price/performance ratio. As far as thermal paste goes, it matters much more that you apply the paste correctly than it does what type of thermal paste you use. The Evo will come with a packet of paste that I hear is pretty decent so I would make sure I apply it correctly and you will not need another paste.
June 1, 2012 2:50:15 PM

THank's! didn't knew that the thermal paste comes with.
In online shop the Sapphire HD 7870 OC (Retail) is 300€, and the Sapphire HD OC 7870 OC (Full-Retail) is 330 €? I was looking the retail version has 5ghz and the fullretail has just 4,8 ghz. So what's the point why is it 30 € more expensive???? :/ 
June 1, 2012 3:03:21 PM

santino5 said:
In online shop the Sapphire HD 7870 OC (Retail) is 300€, and the Sapphire HD OC 7870 OC (Full-Retail) is 330 €? I was looking the retail version has 5ghz and the fullretail has just 4,8 ghz. So what's the point why is it 30 € more expensive???? :/ 

Can you send links? I can't seem to find them on my own, and if links are in German that is fine, I just want to look at the numbers.
Without looking I believe the 5GHz and 4.8GHz you are looking at means the effective memory speed which is Memory Speed x Data Rate (1250MHz x 4=5GHz since Retail version clock is 1250MHz, and 1200 x 4=4.8GHz since Full-Retail clock is 1200MHz), but I may be wrong since I don't have the details in front of me.
June 1, 2012 4:36:22 PM

Yes, the only difference is memory clock as I suspected, but the cheaper one (retail) is the better card and appears to be on sale and would be the one I would buy.
June 1, 2012 4:42:42 PM

But is unlogical for me, why would they sell a better card for less money, is in the package something missing? The package is staying high, not wide.
June 1, 2012 4:46:24 PM

I cannot explain this sale price. The packaging appears to be complete, although I understand your concern that the box appears smaller. You could contact the website by phone to see if there is an explanation.
June 1, 2012 7:55:27 PM

I read in some forums that retail lite retail full retail versions are just different in most situations extra cables software etc. so I think that's not the problem. What do you think for the normal 7870 sapphire? Is the 7870 OC worth the extra 30-40 €? Or can I just OC the 7870 sapphire normal and easily to that one?
June 1, 2012 9:13:41 PM

The OC version will be better suited to operating at the overclocked settings since the factory usually selects the better chips to fill the demand for OC models. Also, the factory warranty will not be broken by overclocking the card on your own. I think it is safer to buy the OC version if you plan to overclock the card, but if you are satisfied with the performance of the standard 7870 then save the money.
June 1, 2012 9:40:42 PM

Ah ok, so I can overclock the Sapphire 7870 OC and my warranty will also stay?? That's nice if I understood it right!
Corsair 1600mhz, and corsair 1866mhz are in the same price range is it good to buy the 1866mhz ? is there any better quality. Latencys are 9-9-9-9-24 or 27 i think so under 9 right?
June 1, 2012 9:49:15 PM

Overclocking any component will technically void the warranty, so in order to get more performance without breaking the warranty you would want the OC version.
If the price of memory is the same there is no harm getting the faster memory even though the speed increase will be minimal.
June 1, 2012 10:16:09 PM

There would be no noticeable difference in performance of the two types of memory.
June 3, 2012 12:08:10 PM

THanks, what monitor would you recommend under 200€ for gaming and really nice picture quality.

I have seen this one Samsung S24A350HS
And Asus Asus VS248H
Any other's to recommend?
June 3, 2012 5:40:38 PM

Monitors are a bit out of my range of expertise, I just know to look for good response time 2-5ms, good resolution, and high standard contrast ratio (not dynamic).
June 4, 2012 8:15:59 AM

OK i think ill go with the samsung. I can get now the hd 7970 sapphire OC for 360€. Would you recommend it? Or the palit geforce gtx 670 normal version for 340€. What do you suggest?
June 4, 2012 12:50:51 PM

I've heard really good things about the GTX 670, the two cards will perform on relatively the same level, one might be faster in a certain game/test but the other will be faster in another. I think in this case it comes down to do you want an AMD card or nVidia card.
June 4, 2012 3:04:44 PM

ok thank you. I know i will have to change a new card in 2 - 3 years again. Is the reference evga gtx 670 good? its not that expensive while watching the others
June 4, 2012 3:06:30 PM

and whats the difference between the normal and ti version?
!