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XFX Pro 850w CE vs Sea Sonic JS 750w

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September 24, 2012 9:42:58 AM

Hi Guys,

After reading several reviews about power supplies i've come down to choosing between these two power supplies which are available for me to purchase in my area. Below is the rig im planning to build over the next 2 to 3 weeks. I will add 1 HDD at a later stage, possibly a sound card and have approx 6 usb devices (Joystick, Self-Powered steering wheel, Keyboard, Mouse, Printer, USB Wireless Stick) attached to the PC. Many people suggest Seasonic to be the better brand. My rigs power requirement seems to be leaning closer to the 700w mark at max load. If this is the case I would prefer not to stress out the SeaSonic power supply even though its capable of constantly delivering 700w. Will the XFX Pro 850w run quieter and cooler at the same 700w load than the Seasonic 750w? I will at times be playing graphic intensive games such as battlefield 3 and dirt.

I'm now digging deep into my budget to build this rig :??:  Any suggestions on this rig or what may improve performance significantly at a marginal cost increase would be appreciated. Thanks

GMC H-80 Case, Gigabyte Z77-D3H mobo, i5 3550 3.3/3.7TB Ivy Bridge, Zalman cnps11x Extreme CPU Cooler, Zalman ZM-F3 120mm, Case Fan, Sapphire 2G 256bit 7850 OC, 4 x 4g (16g) Corsair DDR3 1600 1.5v, DVDRW/CDRW Drive, OCZ Vertex 4 256G SSD, Samsung 23" S23B370H HD LED Display, Windows 7 Pro 64bit

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September 24, 2012 10:35:55 AM

amigomo said:
Hi Guys,

After reading several reviews about power supplies i've come down to choosing between these two power supplies which are available for me to purchase in my area. Below is the rig im planning to build over the next 2 to 3 weeks. I will add 1 HDD at a later stage, possibly a sound card and have approx 6 usb devices (Joystick, Self-Powered steering wheel, Keyboard, Mouse, Printer, USB Wireless Stick) attached to the PC. Many people suggest Seasonic to be the better brand. My rigs power requirement seems to be leaning closer to the 700w mark at max load. If this is the case I would prefer not to stress out the SeaSonic power supply even though its capable of constantly delivering 700w. Will the XFX Pro 850w run quieter and cooler at the same 700w load than the Seasonic 750w? I will at times be playing graphic intensive games such as battlefield 3 and dirt.

I'm now digging deep into my budget to build this rig :??:  Any suggestions on this rig or what may improve performance significantly at a marginal cost increase would be appreciated. Thanks

GMC H-80 Case, Gigabyte Z77-D3H mobo, i5 3550 3.3/3.7TB Ivy Bridge, Zalman cnps11x Extreme CPU Cooler, Zalman ZM-F3 120mm, Case Fan, Sapphire 2G 256bit 7850 OC, 4 x 4g (16g) Corsair DDR3 1600 1.5v, DVDRW/CDRW Drive, OCZ Vertex 4 256G SSD, Samsung 23" S23B370H HD LED Display, Windows 7 Pro 64bit

With those specs a good quality 450 watt power supply would be more than enough, you might see a 250 watt load when maxed out, doubt it though , no idea how you came up with 700 watts
Check out post #176

http://www.overclock.net/t/1126863/real-world-power-usa...
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September 24, 2012 11:35:23 AM

As previously mentioned you do not need anywhere near 700 Watts of power. If you don't plan on CF in the future I suggest this PSU: Rosewill Capstone 450W
If you do either get the Antec HGC 620W or the Rosewill Capstone 650W.
That will give you all the power you will ever need. Both Rosewills are SuperFlower made and the Antec is Sea Sonic made by the way, quality of these units are excellent.
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September 24, 2012 11:36:07 AM

Thanks i had a look there. The GTX670 is a 2ghz card with a power requirement of 550w according to gigabyte.

System requirement is 550w
http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pi...

Is Eleven Eleven perhaps runing it at ~1ghz? (1) GTX 670 @ 1058-1220MHz @ 1.175V

Max figures/power requirements on manufacturers websites and forums: Graphics card 500w, Processor 77w, cnps11x Fan 2.9w. Case Fans ~6w, SSD Drive 2.9w, dvd ~30w, mobo ~30w, Ram ? + Peripherals ~50w

Under system requirements you will find that the graphics card requires a 500w power supply.
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1...

I do know that the card may not require that much, but that allowance needs to be there for some reason, else the manufacturer would have not listed 500w as a requirement.
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September 24, 2012 11:41:35 AM

amigomo said:
Thanks i had a look there. The GTX670 is a 2ghz card with a power requirement of 550w according to gigabyte.

System requirement is 550w
http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pi...

Is Eleven Eleven perhaps runing it at ~1ghz? (1) GTX 670 @ 1058-1220MHz @ 1.175V

Max figures/power requirements on manufacturers websites and forums: Graphics card 500w, Processor 77w, cnps11x Fan 2.9w. Case Fans ~6w, SSD Drive 2.9w, dvd ~30w, mobo ~30w, Ram ? + Peripherals ~50w

Under system requirements you will find that the graphics card requires a 500w power supply.
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1...

I do know that the card may not require that much, but that allowance needs to be there for some reason, else the manufacturer would have not listed 500w as a requirement.

Power consumption of the GTX 670 is completely irrelevant to the HD 7850. It is a different chip with different power specifications.

Manufacturers always list a higher minimal wattage to avoid being sued by people using crappy PSU's.
Fill in your specs here and see what you need: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
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September 24, 2012 11:46:14 AM

Oh and by the way, you have selected a Z77 mobo and an excellent aftermarket cooler, but an non-overclockable CPU. I suggest you either get the i5 3570K or ditch the cooler and get an H77 mobo.
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September 24, 2012 11:50:09 AM

ElMoIsEviL said:
Well is it worth anything to you to know that the XFX "Core" 850W is actually a SS-850HT (Seasonic 850W) unit? (this one to be exact: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...)


Thanks, i have read that SeaSonic makes many of the psu's for other brands and labels them to that brand name. I didnt know that the XFX Core 850w was also made by them. I presume the 850w will be a better option as it may operate more silently as it will be under less stress than the 750w?
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September 24, 2012 12:16:32 PM

amigomo said:
Thanks i had a look there. The GTX670 is a 2ghz card with a power requirement of 550w according to gigabyte.

System requirement is 550w
http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pi...

Is Eleven Eleven perhaps runing it at ~1ghz? (1) GTX 670 @ 1058-1220MHz @ 1.175V

Max figures/power requirements on manufacturers websites and forums: Graphics card 500w, Processor 77w, cnps11x Fan 2.9w. Case Fans ~6w, SSD Drive 2.9w, dvd ~30w, mobo ~30w, Ram ? + Peripherals ~50w

Under system requirements you will find that the graphics card requires a 500w power supply.
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1...

I do know that the card may not require that much, but that allowance needs to be there for some reason, else the manufacturer would have not listed 500w as a requirement.

Yes it's called cover your butt in case someone decide's to use an exceedingly low quality power supply
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September 24, 2012 12:20:22 PM

Thomas_89 said:
Oh and by the way, you have selected a Z77 mobo and an excellent aftermarket cooler, but an non-overclockable CPU. I suggest you either get the i5 3570K or ditch the cooler and get an H77 mobo.


Thanks, i think i will go for the 3570k then. Its about $22 more.

http://ark.intel.com/compare/65516,65520

Do i need the z77x mobo or faster ram for oc'ing. I doubt it as we are only incresing the processing speed right.
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September 24, 2012 12:22:11 PM

Thomas_89 said:
Power consumption of the GTX 670 is completely irrelevant to the HD 7850. It is a different chip with different power specifications.

Manufacturers always list a higher minimal wattage to avoid being sued by people using crappy PSU's.
Fill in your specs here and see what you need: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

It's relevance is in the fact that it is rated for higher power consumption than the 7850

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=669&card2...
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September 24, 2012 12:30:06 PM

amigomo said:
Thanks, i have read that SeaSonic makes many of the psu's for other brands and labels them to that brand name. I didnt know that the XFX Core 850w was also made by them. I presume the 850w will be a better option as it may operate more silently as it will be under less stress than the 750w?


That is correct and the XFX unit also received a high score from JonnyGuru: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

It is quite efficient... according to Jonny..

"Summary

Great +12V regulation, great ripple suppression, low price and decent looks all come together to make this a great unit. Sure, the marketing on the box insults the intelligence of even the lowest common denominator and the box itself fails to completely protect the PSU within, and the unit isn't modular, but all and all it is a great unit for the money and certainly worth a recommendation.

The Good:

* Very stable +12V rail
* Very good ripple suppression
* 80 Plus Bronze efficiency confirmed
* Great price

The Bad:

* Box doesn't effectively protect PSU
* The marketing on the box was enough to make my brain hurt

The Mediocre:

* +3.3V and +5V regulation is just so-so
* Not modular
* Lacking connector support for multiple-CPU motherboards, despite having plenty of power to do so"
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September 24, 2012 1:37:52 PM

amigomo said:
Thanks i had a look there. The GTX670 is a 2ghz card with a power requirement of 550w according to gigabyte.

System requirement is 550w
http://www.gigabyte.co.za/products/product-page.aspx?pi...

Is Eleven Eleven perhaps runing it at ~1ghz? (1) GTX 670 @ 1058-1220MHz @ 1.175V

Max figures/power requirements on manufacturers websites and forums: Graphics card 500w, Processor 77w, cnps11x Fan 2.9w. Case Fans ~6w, SSD Drive 2.9w, dvd ~30w, mobo ~30w, Ram ? + Peripherals ~50w

Under system requirements you will find that the graphics card requires a 500w power supply.
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1...

I do know that the card may not require that much, but that allowance needs to be there for some reason, else the manufacturer would have not listed 500w as a requirement.



The power draw of the GTX 670 is actually 170w, 500w is nvidias recommended minimum power supply for the entire system:

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gt...


These guys know what they are talking about, 750w is major overkill for your setup. :) 
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September 24, 2012 2:41:55 PM

As others have said, a quality 450W unit would be plenty for that setup. For reference, I have a Corsair VX450W PSU running a 3570K and Sapphire 7870 OC.
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September 24, 2012 3:10:33 PM

You guys are giving me a good system at an affordable price :-)

I didn't know that the system requirement being referred to was the entire system. I was under the impression that the Sapphire 7850 OC required 500w of power dedicated to it. As i did not presume that the manufacturers would assume that your 500w power supply will be fitting for their card AND other components/setups in your PC.

So then it seems i could step down to about between 600w-700w to be safe for upgrades in the near future.

Is the ram i've chosen good?
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September 24, 2012 3:34:40 PM

Enermax is all I will touch.....just my 2 cents. You could get away with a Lepa or a Corsair though. XFX...no thank you. Seasonic, some are perfect but some suck. I suggest you find a Lepa G500 somewhere. 700w is a lot for your system. You can find one on amazon for 118. Buy it from the ecomaster seller, its the manufacturer.
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September 24, 2012 3:48:40 PM

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Is the ram i've chosen good?

It is great, although you don't need 16 GB, it won't hurt either especially cause it's cheap. If your budget it tight just get 8GB though. Just remember that corsair vengeance heatspreaders are rather tall and can cause problems with large CPU coolers. To be safe get the Low Profile version: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Two of those are actually cheaper than the 16 GB kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Enermax is all I will touch.....just my 2 cents. You could get away with a Lepa or a Corsair though. XFX...no thank you. Seasonic, some are perfect but some suck. I suggest you find a Lepa G500 somewhere. 700w is a lot for your system. You can find one on amazon for 118. Buy it from the ecomaster seller, its the manufacturer.

Don't listen to this. Enermax makes some excellent quality PSU's but that doesn't mean other brands don't. Sea Sonic and SuperFlower are just two examples and their units are relabled by many others. XFX uses Sea Sonic made units so saying Sea Sonic is good but XFX not so much is BS. And XFX XXX or Black Edition units are of higher quality than the Lepa G500 at any rate.
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September 24, 2012 3:48:50 PM

Also, after looking at your needs, I would get a 2500K instead of a 3550. Then you can get a 7950 with the extra cash and the 2500k is overkill for games. I am getting into personal opinion instead of fact but, I would not use a big SSD like that. I have a 128 and if given the choice again, I would go for a 60. I just don't use all the space. I mean do you really need every program you run to open in 1 second instead of 5?
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September 24, 2012 3:55:27 PM

Thomas_89 said:
And XFX XXX or Black Edition units are of higher quality than the Lepa G500 at any rate.


better value sure but better quality now that's debatable

but as said there are many good brands and oems out there some mix good ones with bad ones so its more advisable to go on a unit by unit basis
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September 24, 2012 3:58:04 PM

obsidian86 said:
but as said there are many good brands and oems out there some mix good ones with bad ones so its more advisable to go on a unit by unit basis

Nothing is more true. Well, when it comes to PSU's at least...
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September 24, 2012 4:08:58 PM

Thomas_89 said:
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Is the ram i've chosen good?

It is great, although you don't need 16 GB, it won't hurt either especially cause it's cheap. If your budget it tight just get 8GB though. Just remember that corsair vengeance heatspreaders are rather tall and can cause problems with large CPU coolers. To be safe get the Low Profile version: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Two of those are actually cheaper than the 16 GB kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Enermax is all I will touch.....just my 2 cents. You could get away with a Lepa or a Corsair though. XFX...no thank you. Seasonic, some are perfect but some suck. I suggest you find a Lepa G500 somewhere. 700w is a lot for your system. You can find one on amazon for 118. Buy it from the ecomaster seller, its the manufacturer.

Don't listen to this. Enermax makes some excellent quality PSU's but that doesn't mean other brands don't. Sea Sonic and SuperFlower are just two examples and their units are relabled by many others. XFX uses Sea Sonic made units so saying Sea Sonic is good but XFX not so much is BS. And XFX XXX or Black Edition units are of higher quality than the Lepa G500 at any rate.




So your suggestion is not to buy a G500 because other PSU's are not crap???? Show me a better 500w for 119 bucks. I also didn't say Seasonic was all good. They are hit and miss. So by default XFX is not going to be as good as hit or miss. Those specific model numbers are not top of the line offerings anyway, so my comment stands. And unless you are just wanting to pick a fight for the sake of brand name you cant compare a 500w MODU87+ with mid level XFX and seasonic parts. Good idea, don't listen to me and buy one of the top rated PSUs in the last few years for 119 dollars. You are smoking crack if you think any XFX PSU, seasonic clone or not, is anywhere close to a MODU87+ series part.
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September 24, 2012 4:11:11 PM

Its not like I personally insulted Seasonic and XFX..... They just are not as good as Enermax.
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September 24, 2012 4:12:26 PM

Thanks, though i've always used one drive for my apps and data so with some games currently requiring in excess of 10gigs i would not want to load and remove games and apps as i use them. I may not even put in a secondary drive. I read some reviews and chose the LP ram despite the heat spreaders looking cool.

Budget for computer is $1700. Finish purchase the monitor.

These are my options. Seasonic 750w or XFX 650w. Theyre both basically the same price.

Store 1
http://www.comx-computers.co.za/computer-hardware.php?c...
Store 2
http://www.sybaritic.co.za/store/index.php?cPath=73_269...
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September 24, 2012 4:15:46 PM

liquidchild said:
So your suggestion is not to buy a G500 because other PSU's are not crap???? Show me a better 500w for 119 bucks. I also didn't say Seasonic was all good. They are hit and miss. So by default XFX is not going to be as good as hit or miss. Those specific model numbers are not top of the line offerings anyway, so my comment stands. And unless you are just wanting to pick a fight for the sake of brand name you cant compare a 500w MODU87+ with mid level XFX and seasonic parts. Good idea, don't listen to me and buy one of the top rated PSUs in the last few years for 119 dollars. You are smoking crack if you think any XFX PSU, seasonic clone or not, is anywhere close to a MODU87+ series part.

i can suggest better psu's for even cheaper with more wattage
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September 24, 2012 4:26:38 PM

amigomo said:
Thanks, though i've always used one drive for my apps and data so with some games currently requiring in excess of 10gigs i would not want to load and remove games and apps as i use them. I may not even put in a secondary drive. I read some reviews and chose the LP ram despite the heat spreaders looking cool.

Budget for computer is $1700. Finish purchase the monitor.

These are my options. Seasonic 750w or XFX 650w. Theyre both basically the same price.

Store 1
http://www.comx-computers.co.za/computer-hardware.php?c...
Store 2
http://www.sybaritic.co.za/store/index.php?cPath=73_269...



If your only 2 options are those, then I would pick the XFX because it is a Seasonic part and I have never heard of a JS series PSU. But I bet you they are equal in the quality department. FYI I would get that 550pro for R 670.00 right above that one your looking at. The extra 30 bucks could step you up in another area of your build.
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September 24, 2012 4:37:11 PM

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So your suggestion is not to buy a G500 because other PSU's are not crap???? Show me a better 500w for 119 bucks. I also didn't say Seasonic was all good. They are hit and miss. So by default XFX is not going to be as good as hit or miss. Those specific model numbers are not top of the line offerings anyway, so my comment stands. And unless you are just wanting to pick a fight for the sake of brand name you cant compare a 500w MODU87+ with mid level XFX and seasonic parts. Good idea, don't listen to me and buy one of the top rated PSUs in the last few years for 119 dollars. You are smoking crack if you think any XFX PSU, seasonic clone or not, is anywhere close to a MODU87+ series part.

liquidchild said:
Its not like I personally insulted Seasonic and XFX..... They just are not as good as Enermax.

No you didn't, but you are putting too much trust in the Enermax brand in my opinion. Not considering other brands because Enermax PSU's are good is something I would never advice someone. Perhaps other brands offer similar quality but more value? Anyway I I don't want to pick a fight lets just agree to disagree and focus on helping the OP.
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September 24, 2012 4:41:40 PM
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September 24, 2012 4:44:24 PM

amigomo said:
Thanks, though i've always used one drive for my apps and data so with some games currently requiring in excess of 10gigs i would not want to load and remove games and apps as i use them. I may not even put in a secondary drive. I read some reviews and chose the LP ram despite the heat spreaders looking cool.

Budget for computer is $1700. Finish purchase the monitor.

These are my options. Seasonic 750w or XFX 650w. Theyre both basically the same price.

Store 1
http://www.comx-computers.co.za/computer-hardware.php?c...
Store 2
http://www.sybaritic.co.za/store/index.php?cPath=73_269...


if they are the same price i would go with the higher wattage one
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September 24, 2012 4:46:52 PM

obsidian86 said:
i can suggest better psu's for even cheaper with more wattage


What were you thinking? A TP-550, or a CWT lepa part?
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September 24, 2012 4:48:05 PM

delluser1 said:
And you even included a Lepa :ouch: 
That lepa is not on par with the enermax part. :ouch: 
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September 24, 2012 4:49:30 PM
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September 24, 2012 4:53:18 PM

It's the entertainment value that keeps me coming back :lol: 
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September 24, 2012 4:54:14 PM

liquidchild said:
Your list included Rosewill and xclio......enough said.

the rosewill golds are super flower greens which exceed or even better their enermax counterparts the xclio gold is a enhance gold same as the silverstone g1000 evo which is just a good as the enermax on its level the rosewill plats are among the class leading units in their catagory the kingwin 550 is a super flower golden king the best unit in its category anywhere the lepa g650 is better then the enermax equivalent its the same as the thermaltake tpg 650
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September 24, 2012 4:56:43 PM

Hardewaresecrets and Guru are on a open server.... Its not hidden. Comparing a rosewill part with a MODU is about as fail as you can get. Superflower>Ecomaster....lololol
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September 24, 2012 5:01:40 PM

on the level were are takling now its just splitting hairs they are all good and all better value then ecomaster im not saying enermax is bad but that price really hits you in the face and the lepa units are a great counterpart to the enermax units but have also recently become a tad inflated the only real great deals on the lepa units are in europe


liquidchild said:
Hardewaresecrets and Guru are on a open server.... Its not hidden. Comparing a rosewill part with a MODU is about as fail as you can get. Superflower>Ecomaster....lololol



yes i know but now you know so get reading and come back when you have learnt something
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September 24, 2012 5:13:12 PM

obsidian86 said:
on the level were are takling now its just splitting hairs they are all good and all better value then ecomaster im not saying enermax is bad but that price really hits you in the face and the lepa units are a great counterpart to the enermax units but have also recently become a tad inflated the only real great deals on the lepa units are in europe


I have a G900 and it cost me 129 USD.... So I can agree with you on the price points not being what they used to be, but superflowers are not better then ecomasters. I would pick that kingwin over the G500 though, the higher watts and efficiency outweigh ecomasters edge over superflower. So you got me there.
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September 24, 2012 5:17:21 PM

That still proves nothing.... Guru and Torres almost always rate ecomaster parts over superflower parts. So you can come at me with a cute comeback or you can admit who is higher rated.
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September 24, 2012 5:28:28 PM

BTW this has NOTHING to do with the two PSU's the OP has decided to pick from. You just suggested the higher watt part, without even knowing who made it. The XFX is made by seasonic. The "seasonic" part is unknown.... We don't even know if we can go off the picture, one pic shows it as black the next as silver. One says its a bronze rated part...one says silver. It sounds like you saying "moar power" over quality.
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September 24, 2012 6:07:18 PM

liquidchild said:
BTW this has NOTHING to do with the two PSU's the OP has decided to pick from. You just suggested the higher watt part, without even knowing who made it. The XFX is made by seasonic. The "seasonic" part is unknown.... We don't even know if we can go off the picture, one pic shows it as black the next as silver. One says its a bronze rated part...one says silver. It sounds like you saying "moar power" over quality.


guru

super flower 1200 over platimax 1200

super flower 1000 over platimax 1000

Hs

super flower 850 over platimax 850

I cant reference more units because there hasnt been many on the same wattage tested by each and cross referncing reviews by different reviewers will skew results

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September 24, 2012 7:07:19 PM

obsidian86 said:
guru

super flower 1200 over platimax 1200

super flower 1000 over platimax 1000

Hs

super flower 850 over platimax 850

I cant reference more units because there hasnt been many on the same wattage tested by each and cross referncing reviews by different reviewers will skew results


Johnny guru-Build Quality (20% of the final score) - as always, the build quality out of the Superflower factories is almost at the top of the food chain. It's not quite there, but real close. I do like those modular connectors, long as they may be. They have a nice, solid feel to them. Half a point off for general soldering.

1200w superflower build quality 9.5. Platimax 1200 build quality 10

1000w superflower build quality 9 Platimax 1000 9.5

The bad-
build quality is a notch below the best, but only a small notch -Johnny Guru(talking about the superflower part)

As for the HS article it never states its better, only cheaper. Ecomaster>superflower. Even your links say they are built better. Saying superflower is a better unit due to price is silly. Quality>price any day...or you might as well buy a diablo.

The only gripe anyone has with enermax is and always will be the price....which is why a Lepa fits the bill IMO. Its a enermax -60 bucks + ugly paint.
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September 24, 2012 8:25:18 PM

liquidchild said:
Johnny guru-Build Quality (20% of the final score) - as always, the build quality out of the Superflower factories is almost at the top of the food chain. It's not quite there, but real close. I do like those modular connectors, long as they may be. They have a nice, solid feel to them. Half a point off for general soldering.

1200w superflower build quality 9.5. Platimax 1200 build quality 10

1000w superflower build quality 9 Platimax 1000 9.5

The bad-
build quality is a notch below the best, but only a small notch -Johnny Guru(talking about the superflower part)

As for the HS article it never states its better, only cheaper. Ecomaster>superflower. Even your links say they are built better. Saying superflower is a better unit due to price is silly. Quality>price any day...or you might as well buy a diablo.

The only gripe anyone has with enermax is and always will be the price....which is why a Lepa fits the bill IMO. Its a enermax -60 bucks + ugly paint.

and performance scores that is what you really use when it turned on
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September 24, 2012 8:40:12 PM

obsidian86 said:
and performance scores that is what you really use when it turned on
Really, voltage regulation is the most important part of a new power supply? Silly me I always thought reliability.... When the OP asked which PSU was better I'm pretty sure voltage regulation took a back seat to death by fire. He was asking which one is less likely to break. And ecomaster is the most reliable brand they make. Why don't we get back on subject...you were telling him to get the one with "moar power" even though it might not even be made by seasonic.... :pfff: 

He should get the XFX, at least we know who built it.
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