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September 26, 2012 4:01:29 PM

tldr below ^^

Hey all,

I am here for advice on power supplies.

Me and my brother both had our problems trying to assemble our systems and most, or should I say all of those, were caused by CORSAIR PSU's...

About a year ago I built my system, put 2k in it and expected to have a nice time with it for quite a while.
I did and still do like the performance I get, but 1 particular part has been BUGGING me out since the very start.

It's my Corsair TX850 V2.
It's been the loudest part of my build since the beginning, under any load.
As soon as I start up my system, I get this annoying sound of a fan going full throttle, all the time.

This makes it impossible for me to relax and listen to some music or any sound coming from my speakers, nor can I sleep, with my computer running in the same room.

My video about it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRWizAhb7rI&feature=plcp
others with thesame problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM2ix8wDM9c (TX 650 V2, but exact the same issue)


My brother bought a Corsair GS800 about a month ago.
And he also experienced problems with it.
His video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sLigZz1bxk&feature=plcp


So now you would probably ask me: why don't you return it to get a new one?
Well, I did!

The past year, I sent back and forth my the TX850 V2 about 3 times already, each time I lost my PSU for a couple of weeks, and got another TX850 V2 back with THESAME EXACT ISSUE!

1st RMA (ow, I'll just have bad luck)
2nd RMA (Starting to think about the motherboard, others parts not functioning right?)

But then I put in my brothers GS800 in my system, it was dead silent, so clearly those PSU's were faulty.

Now in my life I have seen and touched only 4 PSU's (3 TX850v2, 1 GS800)
All were CORSAIR and all had issues with fans/noise.

So why is everyone recommending Corsair? I could understand their PSU units are good, but why don't they manage to install a decent fan in it?


tl;dr:


So finally, my 3rd faulty tx850v2 is on it's way back to the shop, I now have to choose a PSU to replace it with.
So I'm here to ask you guys if you can recommend me one, with a similar price to the TX850v2.

I don't think I want to go with corsair this time.. 4 times was enough..

System specs:
i5 2500k, M4 128gb SSD, 1TB HDD, HD 6950, asrock Z68 extreme4 gen3

Thanks!

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a c 87 ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 6:47:26 PM

Considering that the Corsair TX850 V2 uses the same internal design as the Seasonic M12II Bronze 850W (minus the modular interface) and it has the same fan profile, I don't think vsdagama would appreciate buying that.

Agree that 850W is 'overkill' for a system with either a single 6950 or CF 6950.
Assuming that you are in the US:
Rosewill Capstone-750M ($110 @ Newegg)
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-caps...
Much quieter unit and more efficient.
If not CFing in the future, or upgrading to two more power hungry cards then get the 550W version.
a b ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 6:49:04 PM

Seasonic are certainly amongst the very best of all PSUs. That is why I recommend them.
a b ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 7:01:40 PM

Quote:
I agree and always use Seasonic now. Thats the brand I use and recommend. I have had good luck with Corsair in the past though.

Same here. I recommend Corsairs when the budget is the driving factor. I have used them in the past and have had no significant issues with them.
a b ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 7:14:19 PM

Vsdagama, Corsair doesn't make psu's.


The Corsair TX850 V2 is a Seasonic.
a b ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 7:21:14 PM

geekapproved said:
Vsdagama, Corsair doesn't make psu's.


The Corsair TX850 V2 is a Seasonic.

While this is true, not all Corsairs are Seasonics. Just FYI.
a b ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 7:35:56 PM

Yeah, thanks for the tip. I had no idea. :sarcastic: 
a b ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 8:02:21 PM

Seriously? 2010? That link is so outdated I wouldn't believe anything it says, and there are surely no bronze, silver, gold or platinum rated psu's on that list, and if there are maybe a bronze or two, it doesn't even tell you.

This one is MUCH better and still missing some newer models.
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page364.htm
a b ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 9:09:50 PM

geekapproved said:
Seriously? 2010? That link is so outdated I wouldn't believe anything it says, and there are surely no bronze, silver, gold or platinum rated psu's on that list, and if there are maybe a bronze or two, it doesn't even tell you.

This one is MUCH better and still missing some newer models.
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page364.htm

That is a great source of info! Good job!!
September 26, 2012 10:57:01 PM

I'm a big fan of silverstone... though I have a 650 corsair OCZ in my wife's comp with no issues...

EDIT: I lied
a b ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 11:29:46 PM

Have you figured out why the fans come up to full speed? It is very hard for me to believe that three power supplies would have the same problem, I have three different ones from Corsair and not a problem with any of them. Let me ask you where did you purchase them from? And have you spoken to Corsair directly to figure out what the problem could be?
a b ) Power supply
September 26, 2012 11:39:50 PM

Try putting the rig on a solid surface where the PSU intake fan can breath. Maybe even lay it on its side as a test of how loud/fast it is when it gets unobstructed air.

Your video looks like it's on a towel that could be smothering the intake. (maybe even getting sucked up against the fan grill) This actually can cause the fan to spin much faster than it otherwise would.

Heck, I can usually tell it's time to clean my filters just by the sound of my fans. And they aren't even that dirty when I can hear the increased fan speeds.
a b ) Power supply
September 27, 2012 3:06:23 AM

anort3 said:
The RealHardTechx site is the best database on the web. This is actually the link you want though. Geekapproved linked you to the Coolermaster page :lol: 

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page541.htm


This one is awesome too. Power requirements of systems with any GPU you can think of.

http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm


The coolermaster page of the same link you posted. I could have chosen the Corsair page of the same link if you preferred. :sleep: 
September 27, 2012 9:08:53 AM

Wow, so many replies. :) 

Well, the reason I went with Corsair in the first place was because I did a lot of research before buying my system.
And Corsair was recommended by almost everyone.

I still believe in Corsair (since I have some nice RAM from them, and they give long warranties) and I believe they can make good products (or seasonic can)

But why do they mess this up 4 times in a row? (3 times for me, 1 time for my brother)
Is it that difficult to get a good cooling solution that is silent and works like it should on a PSU...?

So should I take another Corsair/seasonic or do something else?
I just want a PSU that will work quietly like it should..

Silvune said:
Considering that the Corsair TX850 V2 uses the same internal design as the Seasonic M12II Bronze 850W (minus the modular interface) and it has the same fan profile, I don't think vsdagama would appreciate buying that.

Well, I think the ones I got were all faulty. Or am I wrong on this? Is it normal a PSU is that loud? (as in the first youtube vid)

Silvune said:
Agree that 850W is 'overkill' for a system with either a single 6950 or CF 6950.

I know it is overkill, but could you tell exactly how much? (like 400W, 300W,..?)
I took a bigger capacity to future-proof myself. When updating my system in the future, I would like to keep certain parts like the PSU, case, etc from my current system.

knightdog56 said:
Have you figured out why the fans come up to full speed? It is very hard for me to believe that three power supplies would have the same problem, I have three different ones from Corsair and not a problem with any of them. Let me ask you where did you purchase them from? And have you spoken to Corsair directly to figure out what the problem could be?

I bought them from www.azerty.nl
I haven't spoken to Corsair directly. Each time the RMA service of azerty confirmed it was a faulty PSU and sent me a new faulty one.
They didn't send me the same PSU, because the first one had a "linnen" bag around the PSU, the other ones had more like a "paper-texture" bag around them.
So I must have had at least 2 different revisions of the TX850 V2?
It is at full speed ALL THE TIME, on any load, from start to ending.

Z1NONLY said:
Try putting the rig on a solid surface where the PSU intake fan can breath. Maybe even lay it on its side as a test of how loud/fast it is when it gets unobstructed air.

Your video looks like it's on a towel that could be smothering the intake. (maybe even getting sucked up against the fan grill) This actually can cause the fan to spin much faster than it otherwise would.

Heck, I can usually tell it's time to clean my filters just by the sound of my fans. And they aren't even that dirty when I can hear the increased fan speeds.

The PSU was installed in my case (CM HAF X) fan-down. It was intaking from the bottom of the case (case is on wheels so about 4-5cm space)
Right now I have sent it back, so can't test anything.
There is no towel/anything in front of the PSU intake fan. I've used it several months/several positions/locations. And several PSU's... .

When I installed my brother's GS800 in my system, it was dead quiet... So that proves enough I think?

ps: What kind of filters do you use? Did you attach some airfilters yourself to the intakes of your case?
Still looking for a solution to reduce the amount of dust inside my case.

a b ) Power supply
September 27, 2012 10:48:14 AM

vsdagama said:

ps: What kind of filters do you use? Did you attach some airfilters yourself to the intakes of your case?
Still looking for a solution to reduce the amount of dust inside my case.


My 400R case comes with a fabric filter on the bottom and a mesh filter on the front fans. I use something like this for the side fans:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a c 87 ) Power supply
September 27, 2012 11:47:45 AM

vsdagama said:
So should I take another Corsair/seasonic or do something else?

Well, I think the ones I got were all faulty. Or am I wrong on this? Is it normal a PSU is that loud? (as in the first youtube vid)

Seasonic do make some quiet PSUs, but the SS-xxxAM/SS-xxxAT that the Corsair TXxxx V2 series is based on is not one of them. This is based on the fact that the fan spins at ~1000RPM in idle. For me this is not quiet, maybe it is for others or even you, but based on the fact that you are complaining about the noise it makes I suspect not.

vsdagama said:
I know it is overkill, but could you tell exactly how much? (like 400W, 300W,..?)
I took a bigger capacity to future-proof myself. When updating my system in the future, I would like to keep certain parts like the PSU, case, etc from my current system.

A system with a single 6950 is unlikely to draw more than 300W on full load.

If you weren't interested in 'future proofing' and 'upgrading in the future', then I'd probably suggest this:
Super Flower Golden Green SF-550P14XE €94
Excellent performance, high quality and quiet. Idles at ~700RPM and would only above 1000RPM on full load if the ambient temps are quite high.
This is very typical of SF PSUs so the 750W version would be my recommendation to fullfil your requirements:
Super Flower Golden Green SF-750P14XE €120
September 27, 2012 8:45:25 PM

I never heard of Super Flower before ^^

Are they a good pick? Should I pick them over a Seasonic one?

thanks for the recommendation!
a c 259 ) Power supply
September 27, 2012 10:19:46 PM

SuperFlower is more of an OEM than a brand you would buy in the store although that is changing. They make power supplies for companies like NZXT and Rosewill. They have developed a reputation for some very good models over the last few years. Seasonic though in my opinion is the very best manufacturer.

I have a hard time beileving you actually had 3 bad Corsair units in a row. I assume you have a first world power infrastructure since you list a Dutch website. Do you by chance live in a really old building? Do you have the power supplies plugged into a decent surge protector?
September 27, 2012 11:33:49 PM

My power is allright, and I live in a modern building.

It must be something with those TX850v2, because my brother's GS800 did not make that loud noise.

I think I'll just take a Seasonic this time (if the shop lets me) to be safe.
Which version (around 850W) will guarantee me silence and can last for a couple of years?

thanks!
a c 259 ) Power supply
September 28, 2012 1:40:49 AM




I disagree. The SeaSonic X Series X-850 is quite simply one of the best power supplies on the market. The M12 is still very good but the X series is top quality. The M12 is 80+ Bronze while the X- 850 is 80+ Gold rated.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The only bad thing is the top quality units cost you a premium. But if you can afford it the X series are among the best power supplies on the market.

Hardwaresecrets Golden Award.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Seasonic-X-Serie...
a b ) Power supply
September 28, 2012 1:42:27 AM

anort3 said:
I disagree. The SeaSonic X Series X-850 is quite simply one of the best power supplies on the market. The M12 is still very good but the X series is top quality. The M12 is 80+ Bronze while the X- 850 is 80+ Gold rated.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The only bad thing is he top quality units cost you a premium. But if you can afford it the X series are among the best power supplies on the market.

Hardwaresecrets Golden Award.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Seasonic-X-Serie...

Agreed with your assessment of the X-Series. My recommendation was largely based on cost. BTW, I have both series installed in my various rigs and I am very happy with all of them.
a c 259 ) Power supply
September 28, 2012 1:50:47 AM

He specifically asked for a silent unit though and I believe the X series only turns on their fans when they need them.
a c 110 ) Power supply
September 28, 2012 4:16:28 AM

anort3 said:
He specifically asked for a silent unit though and I believe the X series only turns on their fans when they need them.

Same thing with the newer TX models....

Antec as well.
September 28, 2012 8:19:32 AM

So which models do have a efficient fan (only turns on when needed) and are of good quality?
750-850 watt.

With silent, I meant like every other PSU, not like the ones I've had :o 

preferably around thesame price as my TX850v2 (+-130 euros)
a c 259 ) Power supply
September 28, 2012 8:33:54 AM

Pretty much any model for Corsair, Seasonic, PC Power and Cooling, XFX, Silverstone, Enermax, OCZ and Antec will be very high quality. There are other good brands as well but it's hard to find a bad unit from the brands I listed above.


The Seasonic X series I recommended above is the absolute best or the best ( In my opinion ! ). It's the Ferrari of power supples. It's expensive though unless you can get it on sale.
a c 87 ) Power supply
September 28, 2012 10:23:16 AM

vsdagama said:
I never heard of Super Flower before ^^

Are they a good pick? Should I pick them over a Seasonic one?

thanks for the recommendation!

It is not surprising that you have not heard of Super Flower, even some people on forums like this one, who give out 'advice' to others and should know about PSUs, don't know about Super Flower for some reason.

Yes Super Flower are very good. Considering your budget yes you should get what I suggested.

Here are some Reviews for PSUs based on Super Flower Golden Green designs:
NZXT Hale90 750W
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cases/display/nzxt-psu...
http://hardocp.com/article/2010/12/13/nzxt_hale90_750w_...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NZXT/HALE90_750W/

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Rosewill/CAPSTONE-75...

Rosewill Capstone-750
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Kingwin Lazer Gold LZG-850
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

NZXT Hale90 850W
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/1070
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NZXT/HALE90_850W/

Sentey Golden Steel Power 850W
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Sentey-Golden-St...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Super Flower Golden Green SF-800P14XE
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

BTW the Golden Green/Golden King platform goes all the way up to 1300W and even units at that wattage level get a lot of good reviews.
If I had included reviews for lower and higher wattage GGs as well as Golden King designs (which are very similar to Golden Greens) then there would be dozens of links in this thread. And don't think that I'd have been cherry picking reviews either, I can only think of one review which was not glowingly positive.

vsdagama said:
So which models do have a efficient fan (only turns on when needed) and are of good quality?
750-850 watt.

With silent, I meant like every other PSU, not like the ones I've had :o 

preferably around thesame price as my TX850v2 (+-130 euros)

You don't need a unit which is semi-fanless, you just need to choose a unit which has a decent idle fan speed, which the Corsair TX850 V2 does not.

Corsair AX850 (€185)
http://azerty.nl/8-1073-282017/corsair-professional-ser...
Based on the Seasonic X-850 that Anort suggested, but cheaper. Apart from lower wattage versions there are no other Seasonic built PSUs that are cheaper that are likely to be quiet enough for you.
Semi-fanless to 20% load.

The new HX850 has a semi-fanless mode:
Corsair HX850 (€160)
http://azerty.nl/8-1073-534786/corsair-hx850-voeding-in...
Corsair doesn't state to what load it is semi-fanless, but I suspect it is the same as the LEPA unit below.
The 750W version is €140.

This is uses the same internal design as the above Corsair HX850:
LEPA G850-MAS (€125)
http://azerty.nl/8-1073-552822/lepa-g850-mas-voeding.ht...
Semi-fanless to 15% load. Max speed of 1600RPM according to LEPA.

Another very quiet unit:
LEPA G700-MA (€133)
http://azerty.nl/8-1073-538904/lepa-g-series-g700-ma-vo...
Fan speed range of 330-900RPM.


You already suggested that unit in this thread, and I already explained that it is unlikely to be quiet/good enough for the OP.
a b ) Power supply
September 28, 2012 11:23:55 AM

Silvune said:


You already suggested that unit in this thread, and I already explained that it is unlikely to be quiet/good enough for the OP.


The one is the system I am using right now is nearly dead silent. You would have to stick your head under my desk, next to the case itself to hear anything.

Still, the X-Series is awesome, the X-850 I have in the system next to the one I just mentioned is also dead silent.
a c 87 ) Power supply
September 28, 2012 2:23:05 PM

People perceive noise differently, so it might be quiet enough for you, but it might not be for someone else.
a b ) Power supply
September 28, 2012 3:10:38 PM

Silvune said:
People perceive noise differently, so it might be quiet enough for you, but it might not be for someone else.

True.
a c 283 ) Power supply
September 29, 2012 3:01:13 AM

2653602,1,326217 said:
tldr below ^^

Hey all,

I am here for advice on power supplies.

Me and my brother both had our problems trying to assemble our systems and most, or should I say all of those, were caused by CORSAIR PSU's...

About a year ago I built my system, put 2k in it and expected to have a nice time with it for quite a while.
I did and still do like the performance I get, but 1 particular part has been BUGGING me out since the very start.

It's my Corsair TX850 V2.
It's been the loudest part of my build since the beginning, under any load.
As soon as I start up my system, I get this annoying sound of a fan going full throttle, all the time.

This makes it impossible for me to relax and listen to some music or any sound coming from my speakers, nor can I sleep, with my computer running in the same room.

My video about it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRWizAhb7rI&feature=plcp
others with thesame problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM2ix8wDM9c (TX 650 V2, but exact the same issue)


My brother bought a Corsair GS800 about a month ago.
And he also experienced problems with it.
His video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sLigZz1bxk&feature=plcp


So now you would probably ask me: why don't you return it to get a new one?
Well, I did!

The past year, I sent back and forth my the TX850 V2 about 3 times already, each time I lost my PSU for a couple of weeks, and got another TX850 V2 back with THESAME EXACT ISSUE!

1st RMA (ow, I'll just have bad luck)
2nd RMA (Starting to think about the motherboard, others parts not functioning right?)

But then I put in my brothers GS800 in my system, it was dead silent, so clearly those PSU's were faulty.

Now in my life I have seen and touched only 4 PSU's (3 TX850v2, 1 GS800)
All were CORSAIR and all had issues with fans/noise.

So why is everyone recommending Corsair? I could understand their PSU units are good, but why don't they manage to install a decent fan in it?


tl;dr:


So finally, my 3rd faulty tx850v2 is on it's way back to the shop, I now have to choose a PSU to replace it with.
So I'm here to ask you guys if you can recommend me one, with a similar price to the TX850v2.

I don't think I want to go with corsair this time.. 4 times was enough..

System specs:
i5 2500k, M4 128gb SSD, 1TB HDD, HD 6950, asrock Z68 extreme4 gen3



Hi - I agree with the folks on here recommending Seasonic. If you can swing the X750 Gold at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168..., the fan
the Seasonic X Gold series only run when needed and are very quiet when the do run.

Tom
September 29, 2012 7:46:24 PM

Ok, you guys listed a lot of good choices here!
I hope I can get one of those and finally enjoy the sound of silence while computing :) 

1 more question:

On several types listed here, like the Corsair AX850 and LEPA G850-MAS, the fans don't spin under a certain load, 20% and 15% respectively.

But what if your systems hangs just around that load?

My brother had the same issue. His Corsair GS800 started spinning at "20% load" but when he started up certain applications, his fan was turning on and off (making a noise), balancing on the border of that 20% probably.

Will this also be the case on those units above?
a c 283 ) Power supply
September 29, 2012 8:57:47 PM

vsdagama said:
Ok, you guys listed a lot of good choices here!
I hope I can get one of those and finally enjoy the sound of silence while computing :) 

1 more question:

On several types listed here, like the Corsair AX850 and LEPA G850-MAS, the fans don't spin under a certain load, 20% and 15% respectively.

But what if your systems hangs just around that load?

My brother had the same issue. His Corsair GS800 started spinning at "20% load" but when he started up certain applications, his fan was turning on and off (making a noise), balancing on the border of that 20% probably.

Will this also be the case on those units above?


Hi vsdagama - Maybe this will help. From a JonnyGuru(very respected at this) review of the Seasonic:

• Sanyo Denki - San Ace PWM Silent Fan
The superb high-grade San Ace Pulse Width Modulation fan pairs perfectly with the Hybrid Silent Fan control circuit for super low noise & cooling performance.
-Interesting... I'm not sure fanless operation has been done with a PWM fan before. Maybe that's what they're patenting.
o Benefits:
 Reduces noise without increase in temperature.
 Extends fan life by eliminating unnecessary rotation.
 Optimizes heat dissipation at all times.
 Fanless mode (0 dBA) provides unsurpassed silent performance

Tom
a c 283 ) Power supply
October 3, 2012 1:33:31 PM

vsdagama said:
Nice!

The retailer gave me a full refund for my third TX850v2 and was willing to give me the Sea Sonic X-760 without extra cost.
http://azerty.nl/producten/product_detail/?ID=392092

Is this Sea Sonic X-760 good? Similar to the X-750 mentioned above?


Seasonic X 760 is excellent! Go for it.

Tom
a b ) Power supply
October 3, 2012 2:10:43 PM

vsdagama said:
Nice!

The retailer gave me a full refund for my third TX850v2 and was willing to give me the Sea Sonic X-760 without extra cost.
http://azerty.nl/producten/product_detail/?ID=392092

Is this Sea Sonic X-760 good? Similar to the X-750 mentioned above?

Yes. Proceed. Good luck!
!