Help Deciding for a new Gtx 570

[nightmare981]

OK, i know the new 680's are out and the 670s, 660s, etc are coming out soon, but i really dont need those kind of cards. i dont need the newest devices. All i want is a graphics card that runs cool and OC relatively well. I dont need a 580, but i do want some performance for my games.

Currently, i am in a stalemate with the MSI gtx 570 Twin Frozr III(OC) and the Asus gtx 570 DCII.
I dont care about stock speed, ill be overclocking. Which one will be cool but give me good overclock? i care more about the temp than the overclock.... lol

MSI:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127582

Asus:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121432

-Thanks
Nightmare981

-PS- Im sure there is another post somewhere in the forum just like this but i couldnt find it. Sorry.

 

[17seconds]

I really prefer the MSI Twin Frozr card. It has a custom board with high-end components and its specifically made for overclocking. It runs very cool and quiet as well. I think the TFIII card uses better components than the Asus DCuII.

 

[purple stain]

What are your full system specs?(CPU,RAM,etc.)

The Twin Frozr III is a cooler running card(and it only takes up 2 slots).

But if your going for a card that can O.C. well I suggest looking for something else.The GTX570 isn't that great of an Overclocker.

I suggest going for a 7850.It's slightly slower than the GTX570 but it runs much much cooler and can O.C. greatly on the stock voltage.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127663

 

[nightmare981]

My specs are:
Asrock P67 Extreme4 Gen3
Intel Core i5 2500k @ 4.5 GHz
CM Storm Trooper Case
(Temporary) Evga Gtx 550 Ti
Corsair 8gb Dominator Gt Ram
Corsair 750W PSU
Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD

Gonna be getting a 1920x1080 monitor soon to run my games at max.

The in ability to OC is not the end of the world, but i do want a great card for a good price. the 570 fits the envelop and (no offense to AMD) but my friends have had so much difficulty with AMD cards, i dont want to take a chance with it. Sorry

 

[DM186]

This is just a step down from the 570 it is the 560 ti 448 core and they OC very nice. They are almost a 570 but fall short. Here are a few links so you can check it out. Good luck on your choice. Anyway you go is better than what you have now.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125406

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127615

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/499?vs=306

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-core-benchmark,3082.html

 

[Ironwilly]

I've heard very good things about overclocking on the Asus DCII card and I believe I read that some of the higher overclocks on the 570s were achieved on the Asus, but I don't have a source to point to, so I don't want to steer you in that direction. Sorry I couldn't find reviews on the same site, but these should give you a general idea.

MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III 'Power Edition' - Full article here: http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/msi_gtx570_1280mb_power_edition_oc_review,9.html
"The maximum overclock I achieved was very good 962MHz on the core and 4224MHz on the memory. While I could get quite alot more on the memory with the core at stock speed, having both clocked up caused stability issues, I therefore opted to keep the core overclock and reduced to the memory overclock until stability was attained. The Core clock too would surpass the 980MHz mark which was a great acheievement but again, during testing this proved unstable under the most stressful conditions so I settled for the overclocks above and used these clockspeeds to assess the cards overclock capabilities compared to the stock values throughout our benchmark testing."

Asus ENGTX570 DCII - Full article here: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Asus-DirectCU-II-Roundup-ENGTX560-ENGTX570-and-ENGTX580/Power-Consumption-Tem
"The GTX570 was able to hit 950 MHz without the voltage bump. People who have taken the leap and applied more voltage to this chip and go 100% on the fans have seen it go upwards of 1 GHz. That is pretty impressive for a card with this kind of performance in the first place. 200+ MHz above stock with the ease that I saw gave very significant results in gameplay performance. Noise from the fans do go up, even when set to auto. Still, this is a nice bump from the stock speed of this card."

Do keep in mind that every card is different and some reviews actually have "handpicked" cards given to them that overclock more efficiently. Hopefully this helps.

 

[nightmare981]

Thx for your help. I think i know what i might be getting, but i have one final question. Which one runs cooler overall?

Sorry to make this thread keep dragging on...

 

[17seconds]

They are both really good at keeping temps very low. The MSI Twin Frozr may have an edge.

 

[17seconds]

I just saw this showing the difference in size:

 

[Ironwilly]

MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III

"The card runs much cooler than the reference solution, peaking at 62c under gaming load. Furmark raises the temperatures to 70c, which is still very impressive. A very noteworthy cooling system indeed." - Source: http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/msi-geforce-n570-twin-frozr-iii-power-edition-oc-review/20/

Asuu ENGTX570 DCII

"Given the huge size of this card, thermals need to be second to none in order to be justified. Luckily for ASUS, the gamble paid off and the temperatures are excellent in every single test but the last, in which I am willing to forgive given the ridiculous overvoltage and overclock I am pushing through. Very, very, very good showing, but does it justify the size? That's for the consumer to decide — for me, I would definitely pick one up." - Source: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/asus_gtx570_directcu2/15.htm

I don't think you can really go wrong either way. To be honest, you're probably not going to find a review of both these cards on the same testbed, at the same ambient temperature and the same time. This alone makes in pretty impossible to get a 100% reliable comparison. Either way you go though, the cooling solution for both of these cards seems to be very effective! Keep in mind that the Asus version is a 3-slot card, the MSI is a 2-slot.

 

[fil1p]

The ASUS card runs really cool, about 34C(idle) and about 56-60~ish(load) when I had it. I think that it is cooler than the MSI card, and i did a lot of research before buying it. Note though it has two drawbacks, first of all it is a triple slot card, mine fit without a problem, but I did not plan on SLI, so consider that. However the Asus cards have their issues, I got a bad one, it kept crashing non stop while gaming. I had a lot of artifacts, and I could never get it to work. Others where having the same problem, so I be careful if you are planning to get that one. Also with the ASUS card people are having mixed results when overclocking, but other than that one big problem, the card itself comes with a backplate, and it looks awesome, I only wish it had worked Just to let you know, i think i just got a bad card, but i wanted to point that out.

Hope this helps

 

[JackNaylorPE]

The Twin Frozr is one of the cards talked about in the following "have you fried your 570" article.

The Asus has an 8 phase VRM on the PCB, the MSI has 6.

http://www.overclock.net/t/929152/have-you-killed-a-570-no-recent-deaths-buy-some-570s/550

- Gigabyte 570 OC Windorce 3x and MSI 570 TwinFrozr II both use the reference PCB design with 6 phase VRM (4 for GPU and 2 for memory). They simply put a custom cooler on top. MSI cards have similar incidents reported

- Gainward 570 Phantom, Gainward 570 GS Goes Like Hell, Palit 570 Sonic Platinum all have 8 phase VRMs (6 GPU and 2 memory). Same amount with the GTX 580. All these cards have identical PCB since they belong to the same graphics card manufacturer group

- Asus GTX570 DirectCU II also has 8 phase VRMs (6 GPU and 2 memory)

The 560-448 is in fact a 570 that either failed to pass testing on one of its SM's or has just had 1 SM disabled.

Personally I can't make a case for the 570 or 560-448 on a cost per frame basis. For just $60 more you could have two of these which get 862 fps ($0.46 per frame) in SLI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121425

Compared to about 600 fps for the Asus CUII 570 ($0.57 per frame)

 

[Ironwilly]

Inline with a few of JackNaylorPE's comments, the ASUS DCII GTX 570 is not, in fact, simply a reference design with an enhanced cooling solution. It is a ground up rebuild of the GTX 570 using their own PCB, RAM and VRM design.

"With the massive heatsink and large PWM fans, this card was very silent through all operations. I do not think that I ever heard it once, or even noticed if the fans would spin up unless I was watching the GPU Tweak utility. This card is able to match the best the competition has to offer. The only potential issue with this card is that it could in fact be too big. Triple SLI would be an issue in most cases, because three of them would take up 9 slots! Good luck in squeezing another type of card (like a sound card or RAID card) if even using these in two card SLI." - Source: http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Asus-DirectCU-II-Roundup-ENGTX560-ENGTX570-and-ENGTX580/Asus-ENGTX570-DCII

After reading a bit more about the two cards and your overall goals, I feel the ASUS DCII is the way to go if you won't be sacrificing anything by using a triple slot GPU. While the MSI has great features, I think the overall quality and value of the ASUS is better and it has a little more headroom for overclocking both the core and memory frequencies.

 

[nightmare981]

Thanks Everyone! Im gonna go with the Asus card since it sounds like a better card. It wont hurt me to have the triple slot card since i have plenty of room. Im hoping it will stay cooler with a decent overclock.

 

[nightmare981]

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[purple stain]

It's the SLI that you have to worry about for space.