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June 1, 2012 5:12:09 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Sometime before a month from now

Budget Range: (e.g.: 600-800) Less than 600 including shipping with rebates. (Also side question sometimes parts have individual shipping prices, but I order all the parts at once do I have to pay for each of those shipping prices or just the most expensive one? I know Amazon lets you choose if you want to receive multiple things all at once)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Maybe streaming my gameplay, Fraps recording so I think I need a certain speed harddrive, running multiple programs at once so I'd like more than 4 GB of ram, Video editting my fraps videos with a program like Sony Vegas.

Parts Not Required: Just need a case and everything that goes inside I'll probably be needing a new PSU as well.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I'd like everything to be from newegg.

Country: (e.g.: India) USA East Coast

Parts Preferences: I have some parts in mind that I'll list and from there you guys can make suggestions

Overclocking: Yes, I'll overclock but it wont be in the budget now because getting a cooler might put me over 600 so I figure I'll get a good setup where I can buy the cooler later. So I'll be getting a cooler later for overclocking later.

SLI or Crossfire: Idk what SLI is but I'll be using just 1 gfx card because my resolution is small, I have two monitors so its gotta be able to accommodate that

Monitor Resolution: 1280x720

Additional Comments: I'll just start putting down some parts I think are ok

CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (For Overclocking Later)

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (I remember that you have to be careful with like input/output plates and making sure that the PSU is around the same dimensions as your case)

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (I think there are better deals than this, but I went with this one because it was intel, you can make a better suggestion)

GFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Just selected a 6670 or should I go with an nvidia card?)

PSU: I'm not sure how much wattage I'll be needing with these kinds of parts. All I know is I'll be using these listed parts for sure and I'll be overclocking the i5 2500k to 4.2+ ghz maybe

RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (I also will be using my old HDD in conjunction with this one so I think I need some kind of slave/master type setup right? The HDD's are at different speeds and have different space, but that wont effect anything right?

Optical Drive: I'll use the old one from my PC

Lmk what you think, thanks.

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June 1, 2012 6:52:38 PM

Paying $219 for a CPU and $89 for a video card is an awful, awful, awful idea for a gaming computer. Your video card is by far the most important part of a gaming computer. You can have the fastest CPU in the world and it won't make your games run any better when paired with a bottom of the barrel card like that.

You need a good video card for playing video games.
June 1, 2012 6:54:55 PM

you can calculate your psu needs on this site, will also let you add in your future oc to ensure you get the right one.

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

http://www.coolermaster.outervision.com/

and a hard drive will make a world of difference, like any bottleneck. an ssd is a must have for any decent gaming rig.

unbeatable performance for the price and size =Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 1, 2012 7:05:36 PM

the great randini said:
you can calculate your psu needs on this site, will also let you add in your future oc to ensure you get the right one.

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

http://www.coolermaster.outervision.com/

and a hard drive will make a world of difference, like any bottleneck. an ssd is a must have for any decent gaming rig.

unbeatable performance for the price and size =Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I disagree, an SSD is probably not a great idea for such a low budget. A regular HDD will do what you need. That money is better served by a more powerful GPU.
June 1, 2012 7:21:45 PM

moornix said:
I disagree, an SSD is probably not a great idea for such a low budget. A regular HDD will do what you need. That money is better served by a more powerful GPU.

Agreed.

SSDs have no place in budget builds. You can always add them later when you get the funds, but going with them to start means you have to skimp on other components. Replacing your HDD with an SSD means you can use the HDD as extra storage. Replacing a shitty video card with a good one means that money you spent on the shitty video card is gone forever and you get no benefit for it.
June 1, 2012 7:22:22 PM

i op has a hard drive from his last rig he is bringing over he wold benifit most from a ssd
not to mention his question was

{"HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822144534 (I also will be using my old HDD in conjunction with this one so I think I need some kind of slave/master type setup right? The HDD's are at different speeds and have different space, but that wont effect anything right?"}
June 1, 2012 7:27:09 PM

the great randini said:
i op has a hard drive from his last rig he is bringing over he wold benifit most from a ssd

No he won't. SSDs are near useless for gaming, only speeding up loads. I mean, it's a nice convenience, but I think not having 10 FPS at medium settings is a hell of a lot more important than loading the game quickly.

Quote:
not to mention his question was

{"HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822144534 (I also will be using my old HDD in conjunction with this one so I think I need some kind of slave/master type setup right? The HDD's are at different speeds and have different space, but that wont effect anything right?"}

Doesn't change anything. An SSD still has no place in a budget build. It cannibalizes his budget for the parts he really needs, and you end up with a slower system.
June 1, 2012 7:29:58 PM

u r correct his build is all f@#$ed up piece of crap mobo crappy graphics card, but that does not change the fact that an ssd if far better than a standard hdd.
June 1, 2012 7:31:31 PM

Ok so I'll stick with my normal HDD. Now willard said that I should have a better gfx card. I thought I could put a little less into the gfx since I have a small resolution, but maybe not? What would be the cheapest thing I should get to compare to my cpu?

Let me just ask you willard what would you change to stay around a 600 budget
June 1, 2012 7:43:55 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($126.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply ($36.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $503.90
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-06-01 15:51 EDT-0400)

I figured I had a PCPP list somewhere around your budget, and lo and behold. All you need to do is put the HDD in that list and that's what I would go for (as far as a $600 budget gaming rig goes).

Edit: Whoa, what? No, that's wrong. It looks like PCPP cleared out some of their lists again, let me fix this. It'll be around $530-$540.
Edit x2: There, fixed. I guess I overestimated the cost, it's right around $500 with shipping + rebates. You may have the extra headroom to bump up the video card a bit too, or get a nice CPU cooler for the future (or for an ice cold i3). You'll have difficulty OCing the 2120 since it's got a locked multiplier (you might get a few hundred Mhz, maybe not) but it's a solidly performing dual-core (with Hyperthreading, I believe).
June 1, 2012 7:50:30 PM

the great randini said:
that does not change the fact that an ssd if far better than a standard hdd.

Nobody's disputing that. We're just saying that when working under a tight budget, you can't afford to include an SSD. Would you tell him to use a GTX 670 because it's faster than appropriate cards for his budget? It's faster, but it doesn't fit the budget. To make it work, you'd have to skimp on everything else and your system would be crap despite the awesome single piece of hardware you got.

Working within a budget is about compromise, not getting all the fancy toys.
June 1, 2012 7:51:20 PM

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June 1, 2012 7:55:55 PM

tinhajj said:
Ok so I'll stick with my normal HDD. Now willard said that I should have a better gfx card. I thought I could put a little less into the gfx since I have a small resolution, but maybe not? What would be the cheapest thing I should get to compare to my cpu?

Let me just ask you willard what would you change to stay around a 600 budget

Drop the CPU down to one of Intel's i3 models. That will free up about $100 for your video card budget. The motherboard you picked doesn't support overclocking anyway, so that would have been immensely disappointing.

I'd also go with a non-Intel motherboard. There's nothing wrong with their boards, but they're strictly reference designs and boards from ASRock, Gigabyte, ASUS, etc. can be had as cheaply but tend to have more features, like additional ports. If you can find open box items on Newegg, this can save you a ton of cash and you can get a mid-range board for low-end prices.

For the video card, I'd look at the HD 7770. They're great value for the money, and will be much faster than the 6670 you picked out.

For a PSU, I'd go with a low end unit from Antec or Corsair. They're quality units, just don't provide much power. A 7770 luckily doesn't need much power, though, so it's fine.

So in short, spend around $100 less on the CPU, spend about $75 more on the video card and put the rest into a slightly nicer motherboard.
June 1, 2012 7:57:43 PM

I really want the i5-2500k in the build

ill edit in asec
June 1, 2012 8:07:08 PM

tinhajj said:
I really want the i5-2500k in the build

Be that as it may, the 2500k isn't going to help you that much, and with a $600 limit, that's very unlikely to squeeze its way in. Again, gaming rigs are heavily dependent on the power of their video card, not their processor. I'd highly recommend going with the i3, and then when you have enough money, buy a 2600k/3570k/Haswell chip and a nice cooler, like a Hyper212 or V8.

If you reaaally want a quad-core i5, then I can suggest you spend about $65 more and go for the i5-2380p or i5-2400. You really can't OC the 2400, but I've actually heard of someone getting the 2380p up to 4.5Ghz (can't confirm it though). Both of them cost about $190.
June 1, 2012 8:08:54 PM

tinhajj said:
I really want the i5-2500k in the build

ill edit in asec



i5 @ 600ish w/ MIR:

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June 1, 2012 8:09:36 PM

tinhajj said:
I really want the i5-2500k in the build

ill edit in asec

I'm sorry, but the prices are what they are. You're not going to get good gaming performance with the 2500k in a $600 build, and you can't even overclock the 2500k with the dirt cheap motherboard you picked out.

Your video card is without question the most important part of a gaming computer. Spending a third of your budget on the CPU just doesn't make sense. It's not nearly as important as the video card.
June 1, 2012 8:23:10 PM

tinhajj said:
Ok so I'll stick with my normal HDD. Now willard said that I should have a better gfx card. I thought I could put a little less into the gfx since I have a small resolution, but maybe not? What would be the cheapest thing I should get to compare to my cpu?

Let me just ask you willard what would you change to stay around a 600 budget


willard said:
I'm sorry, but the prices are what they are. You're not going to get good gaming performance with the 2500k in a $600 build, and you can't even overclock the 2500k with the dirt cheap motherboard you picked out.

Your video card is without question the most important part of a gaming computer. Spending a third of your budget on the CPU just doesn't make sense. It's not nearly as important as the video card.


are you sure because im just worried about being able to stream and record videos on fraps and things like that. I think the cpu would dictate how well that goes mostly?
June 1, 2012 8:26:18 PM

Recording with Fraps is not very CPU intensive, because the video is stored uncompressed, unless Fraps has changed things in the last couple years.

You've also got to consider that if your game is running at 15 FPS because you skimped on the one part of the system critical to running games, your recorded videos are going to look like ***.
June 1, 2012 8:27:49 PM

willard said:
I'm sorry, but the prices are what they are. You're not going to get good gaming performance with the 2500k in a $600 build, and you can't even overclock the 2500k with the dirt cheap motherboard you picked out.

Your video card is without question the most important part of a gaming computer. Spending a third of your budget on the CPU just doesn't make sense. It's not nearly as important as the video card.



If he reuses the hard drive and optical he can get an i5/560 that will fine at High settings in most games. It can be done. I agree tho, the i3 + 7850 would be a better "gaming" set up tho. This guy is on Monitor Resolution: 1280x720 a 560 will be fine.
June 1, 2012 8:33:56 PM

loops said:
If he reuses the hard drive and optical he can get an i5/560 that will fine at High settings in most games. It can be done. I agree tho, the i3 + 7850 would be a better "gaming" set up tho. This guy is on Monitor Resolution: 1280x720 a 560 will be fine.


yeah this was the argument I was trying to make idk how well it holds up but this was it.

The resolution was small so the gfx shouldn't have to work as hard and then I could have a nice CPU, are you sure that can't work willard? I just need like 80 frames ingame and fraps at most would knock it down to 60.

Then I could use the CPU to run some non-gfx intensive programs in the background
June 1, 2012 8:39:39 PM

loops said:
If he reuses the hard drive and optical he can get an i5/560 that will fine at High settings in most games. It can be done. I agree tho, the i3 + 7850 would be a better "gaming" set up tho. This guy is on Monitor Resolution: 1280x720 a 560 will be fine.

He is reusing his old hard drive - but it's old and slow, so a new SATA3 HDD is really important (especially for recording videos). On 720p, a GTX560 would be way more than enough to handle gaming - but it would be out of his budget to get that + an i5.

You're also forgetting to include some pretty important parts in your builds - like the motherboard. That's necessary, and another hundred dollars.


tinhajj said:
yeah this was the argument I was trying to make idk how well it holds up but this was it.

The resolution was small so the gfx shouldn't have to work as hard and then I could have a nice CPU, are you sure that can't work willard? I just need like 80 frames ingame and fraps at most would knock it down to 60.

Then I could use the CPU to run some non-gfx intensive programs in the background

I don't know what games you'll be playing, but unless you have your video settings on low/medium, I seriously doubt you'd get 80fps with that card. I know the i5 is a very attractive option - but you do not need it. Unless you're willing to save up an extra $80 for a lower-end i5, your best option is to go for the i3/7770 combo.
June 1, 2012 8:40:58 PM

tinhajj said:
yeah this was the argument I was trying to make idk how well it holds up but this was it.

The resolution was small so the gfx shouldn't have to work as hard and then I could have a nice CPU, are you sure that can't work willard? I just need like 80 frames ingame and fraps at most would knock it down to 60.

Then I could use the CPU to run some non-gfx intensive programs in the background


I have a z68 + 2500k and the gtx 560 in SLI. I ran with just one GTX 560 tho and no OC of gpu/cpu and I was able to play BF3 in high w/o AA. (1650x 150). There were some dips in large maps and I wanted to stay at 60 fps so I went sli.
June 1, 2012 8:47:06 PM

mousseng said:
He is reusing his old hard drive - but it's old and slow, so a new SATA3 HDD is really important (especially for recording videos). On 720p, a GTX560 would be way more than enough to handle gaming - but it would be out of his budget to get that + an i5.

You're also forgetting to include some pretty important parts in your builds - like the motherboard. That's necessary, and another hundred dollars.



I don't know what games you'll be playing, but unless you have your video settings on low/medium, I seriously doubt you'd get 80fps with that card. I know the i5 is a very attractive option - but you do not need it. Unless you're willing to save up an extra $80 for a lower-end i5, your best option is to go for the i3/7770 combo.



Read again: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

it is an i5/z68 combo.

As for the hard drive and recording, I'd simply make due and maybe hold off on the recording. The price on drives continue to come down and that can be added later.

An i3,z68,560 build with a new drive would be a valid thing to do.

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June 1, 2012 9:01:31 PM
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loops said:
Read again: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

it is an i5/z68 combo.

Right you are - I missed that, that's my bad.

Quote:
As for the hard drive and recording, I'd simply make due and maybe hold off on the recording. The price on drives continue to come down and that can be added later.

An i3,z68,560 build with a new drive would be a valid thing to do.

He could, but it seems gaming/streaming/recording is what he wants this computer for. If he can get a solid contender for all three of those at once, why skimp on two of them so you can get a better CPU and maybe GPU? If he's looking to stay around $600 and keep the streaming/recording, the i3/560 is the best he can do, yes.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Seagate SV35 Series 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1GB Video Card ($166.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply ($36.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $613.89
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-06-01 16:55 EDT-0400)

The HDD here is a rather new Seagate - it's got a $20 off promo running until the 6th, so I'd say this is a great deal compared to the SATA2 drive he had picked out.
June 1, 2012 9:04:28 PM

Where's your motherboard? And no one mentioned an OS, I would assume your get windows 64-bit, that's at least another $98.99. Here's the build someone gave to me. I don't know how it would preform to suit your preferences but it comes closer to the budget with an OS and mobo:
Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core $89.99
Motherboard ASRock H61M/U3S3 Micro ATX LGA1155 $73.97
Memory Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1333 $22.99
Hard Drive Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM $69.99
Video Card MSI Radeon HD 6870 1GB $179.99
Case Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower $49.99
Power Supply OCZ 550W ATX12V $48.98
Optical Drive Sony AD-7280S-0B DVD/CD Writer $17.99
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) $98.99
Total of about $675 or $652 if you live near a micro center.
And of course since your going to use your old HDD then that saves $70 and with that you can increase from 4gb to 8gb.
I recommend you go to www.pcpartpicker.com and make a build with the parts suggested. Pc part picker gives you the cheapest price from many know and trusted websites for your specific part. I'm new to this too BTW.
June 1, 2012 9:07:14 PM

zZ Cory said:
Here's the build someone gave to me. I don't know how it would preform to suit your preferences but it comes closer to the budget with an OS and mobo:

Not a good build. The 6870 should be one of the new 7000 series cards. H61 motherboard can't overclock, preventing him from upgrading to a 2500k in the future. 4GB of memory saves $20 but cripples your computer's performance due to paging.
June 1, 2012 9:26:31 PM

What, now I'm getting mixed reviews, yes I was told the mobo isn't for OCing or it can't OC but that's fine with me since I'm not going to.i was told the 6870 would be fine for WoW//d3 on at least high graphic settings. And I thought I said to upgrade to 8gb. 4gb is more than enough for me, I'm not planning on having 20 other tabs open and BF3 on ultra settings at the same time. You can't expect that on a budget build . Correctme if I'm wrong as I am new to this stuff.
June 1, 2012 9:28:06 PM

mousseng said:
Right you are - I missed that, that's my bad.

Quote:
As for the hard drive and recording, I'd simply make due and maybe hold off on the recording. The price on drives continue to come down and that can be added later.

An i3,z68,560 build with a new drive would be a valid thing to do.

He could, but it seems gaming/streaming/recording is what he wants this computer for. If he can get a solid contender for all three of those at once, why skimp on two of them so you can get a better CPU and maybe GPU? If he's looking to stay around $600 and keep the streaming/recording, the i3/560 is the best he can do, yes.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Seagate SV35 Series 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1GB Video Card ($166.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply ($36.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $613.89
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-06-01 16:55 EDT-0400)

The HDD here is a rather new Seagate - it's got a $20 off promo running until the 6th, so I'd say this is a great deal compared to the SATA2 drive he had picked out.


Yep. That would do nice.
June 1, 2012 9:29:57 PM

If you try for the i5 you have to skip:

See this build that goes over a tad: Case = meh, 4 gigs of ram, small drive:

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Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...
Item #: N82E16819115072
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813157279
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$10.00 Instant
-$18.00 Combo


$334.98
$306.98
Subtotal: $655.94
June 1, 2012 9:34:45 PM

willard said:
Paying $219 for a CPU and $89 for a video card is an awful, awful, awful idea for a gaming computer. Your video card is by far the most important part of a gaming computer. You can have the fastest CPU in the world and it won't make your games run any better when paired with a bottom of the barrel card like that.

You need a good video card for playing video games.


I agree that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to pay way more for the CPU than the GPU on a sub-$900 build.
June 1, 2012 9:41:16 PM

tinhajj said:
system builder used an i5 on 600 build what do u think of this?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-overclock-p...

I think it's not great. They skimped on the motherboard, RAM, and case to get the price down enough to afford an i5 and decent video card.

I'm not understanding why you're still deadset on getting an i5 - it's not going to help you as much as you seem to think. I said it before, and I'll say it again: you should go with the i3 + z68 + 7770 or 560, and save your money for either an i7 or a Haswell chip. There's no way you'll get an i5 under (or even close) to that budget without making serious compromises (ones you don't want to make).
June 1, 2012 9:41:45 PM

zZ Cory said:
What, now I'm getting mixed reviews, yes I was told the mobo isn't for OCing or it can't OC but that's fine with me since I'm not going to.

I was responding to the build in the context of this thread, where the OP has said on numerous occasions that he really wants a 2500k for overclocking. If you don't want to overclock, it doesn't matter.

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i was told the 6870 would be fine for WoW//d3 on at least high graphic settings.

Probably will be, but the 7000 series cards are better bang for your buck.

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And I thought I said to upgrade to 8gb. 4gb is more than enough for me, I'm not planning on having 20 other tabs open and BF3 on ultra settings at the same time. You can't expect that on a budget build

I think it's worth spending $20 to not have to worry about what else your computer is doing when you decide to play a game. 8GB of memory easily fits into a budget build. Memory prices are lower than they've ever been, it just doesn't make sense to skimp on memory to save so little money you can't even buy half a tank of gas with it.
June 1, 2012 9:52:13 PM

mousseng said:
I think it's not great. They skimped on the motherboard, RAM, and case to get the price down enough to afford an i5 and decent video card.

I'm not understanding why you're still deadset on getting an i5 - it's not going to help you as much as you seem to think. I said it before, and I'll say it again: you should go with the i3 + z68 + 7770 or 560, and save your money for either an i7 or a Haswell chip. There's no way you'll get an i5 under (or even close) to that budget without making serious compromises (ones you don't want to make).


ok what if I went with your build and the i3 and no i5

I'd like to get it under 600 couldn't i use a cheaper case?
and what does everyone else about mousseng's build?
June 1, 2012 10:01:42 PM

tinhajj said:
ok what if I went with your build and the i3 and no i5

I'd like to get it under 600 couldn't i use a cheaper case?
and what does everyone else about mousseng's build?

I think the build I suggested is about as powerful as you can go for right around $600 now. That's why I suggested it.

And yeah, if you want to shave off some of the price, the case would be the first place I'd go to. You could substitute something like an NZXT Source 210 in ($47 with shipping), a Rosewill R218 ($35 with shipping), an HEC 6C60BS ($30 with shipping), an HEC 63R3BB ($32 with shipping + rebate), a XION Xon-180 ($25 with shipping + rebate), anything really. It's important to make sure it's an ATX Mid Tower (or that it takes ATX motherboards, not just microATX) and that it's well-built (for the money).
June 1, 2012 10:05:05 PM

Atm, nothing in the 7xxx series is close to the Radeon 6870's performance. The 7770 is closer to the 6850's.
June 1, 2012 10:11:16 PM

mousseng said:
Right you are - I missed that, that's my bad.

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As for the hard drive and recording, I'd simply make due and maybe hold off on the recording. The price on drives continue to come down and that can be added later.

An i3,z68,560 build with a new drive would be a valid thing to do.

He could, but it seems gaming/streaming/recording is what he wants this computer for. If he can get a solid contender for all three of those at once, why skimp on two of them so you can get a better CPU and maybe GPU? If he's looking to stay around $600 and keep the streaming/recording, the i3/560 is the best he can do, yes.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Seagate SV35 Series 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 560 1GB Video Card ($166.97 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 430W ATX12V Power Supply ($36.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $613.89
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-06-01 16:55 EDT-0400)

The HDD here is a rather new Seagate - it's got a $20 off promo running until the 6th, so I'd say this is a great deal compared to the SATA2 drive he had picked out.


Ok so what does everyone think about this build?
Anonymous
June 1, 2012 10:16:29 PM

tinhajj said:
Ok so what does everyone think about this build?

i am really NOT wanting to say anything, because that is a great build and i am impressed at finding a reference 560 for $40 less that i did. however though the PSU is sufficient for an i3 build; it is ever so slightly underpowered for overclocking an i5-2500K or 3770K.

believe me, if you do a search for my postings you'll see i advocate to get the minimum needed and never overcompensate on a PSU but a 450-475 watt will bee needed for an i5 . . .
June 1, 2012 10:19:05 PM

Anonymous said:
i am really NOT wanting to say anything, because that is a great build and i am impressed at finding a reference 560 for $40 less that i did. however though the PSU is sufficient for an i3 build it is ever so slightly underpowered for overclocking an i5-2500K or 3770K.

believe me, if you do a search for my postings you'll see i advocate to get the minimum needed and never overcompensate on a PSU but a 450-475 watt will bee needed for an i5 . . .


I think I understand what you're getting at.

If anything I'll stick with the PSU he listed for now and I'll buy a new PSU later even thought that'd be the more expensive option. I could always sell the old PSU.
Anonymous
June 1, 2012 10:22:28 PM

sweet!
go for it then :) 
June 1, 2012 11:08:14 PM

willard said:
I was responding to the build in the context of this thread, where the OP has said on numerous occasions that he really wants a 2500k for overclocking. If you don't want to overclock, it doesn't matter.

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i was told the 6870 would be fine for WoW//d3 on at least high graphic settings.

Probably will be, but the 7000 series cards are better bang for your buck.

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And I thought I said to upgrade to 8gb. 4gb is more than enough for me, I'm not planning on having 20 other tabs open and BF3 on ultra settings at the same time. You can't expect that on a budget build

I think it's worth spending $20 to not have to worry about what else your computer is doing when you decide to play a game. 8GB of memory easily fits into a budget build. Memory prices are lower than they've ever been, it just doesn't make sense to skimp on memory to save so little money you can't even buy half a tank of gas with it.

What aazem40 said above.
June 1, 2012 11:16:13 PM

I didn't say the above. :p 
June 1, 2012 11:18:50 PM

tinhajj said:
Ok so what does everyone think about this build?


I like it. I would like a bit more on the PSU so I could upgrade a GPU down the line and that is why I picked the one I listed its what 46 bucks after MIR and would allow you to gun for a good OC when you do get an i5 or a not stress about the PSU when you move to another GPU that is a bit more powerful.

The CASE = good.
Ram = good.
Mobo = good for the price (btw get the CPU/Mobo combo and knock down 18 bucks)
CPU= solid and can take on ADM's finest
GPU= good for your needs

You have some solid feed back here.
June 1, 2012 11:24:48 PM

azeem40 said:
I didn't say the above. :p 

Sorry that was suppose to be a reference to what you posted above in the thread.
June 1, 2012 11:27:48 PM

Oh alright. :) 
June 1, 2012 11:42:06 PM

I have to agree that you want to get an I3 2100 or an AMD equivalent since the I5 is just not helping you as much as a better graphics card would.

There are SOME games though (like minecraft...) that are much more CPU/RAM dependent than video dependent... for that game or some similar ones you would be fine.

At the resolution you play at, the GTX 550 will probably suit your needs just fine. and it goes for about 100. If you get that and still have money left over, then you can get yourself i5, or ivy bridge if you like.

If your willing to toss your old HDD, you can save yourself some money by not using a multiple drive setup and get a mobo like the h61.
June 2, 2012 1:33:28 AM

Spoiler
Ok you've all been a great help, I mean no disrespect by this to all the people that have helped me, but I'm really fixated on this i5 overclocking

I found this build on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/ufzm8/build_r...

They skimped on the harddrive and case, I wouldn't need to use his exact CPU I could revert to the i5.

Now I feel like the only way you can dispute this build is by saying maybe the gfx card isn't good? but I think maybe you could find another kind of gfx card around 167 dollars that'd be good.

Also maybe the mobo could be bad? I'm not sure

The PSU didn't get good reviews, but this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
has good reviews and is 20 with rebate

Then the last thing you'd have to argue about is the 160 GB HD. And to that I'd say I can manage it. I have 140 GB right now and I've managed with that. I can use fraps to write my recordings onto the 160 HD and then transfer them to my old Hd if I need to. And then I know fraps recordings are pretty big so I'd render and compress footage if I needed to, to make it smaller.

Thats my idea and I know the people in the thread have told me over and over I shouldn't, but you can understand that I had my eyes set on this for a very very long time, and I can't really let the thought go out of my mind that quickly


I had another build idea but I put it in the spoiler because you guys' build was better

Edit: I was told that using a cheap mobo now would mean it'd be harder for me to upgrade later. Are there any other draw backs?

Edit: I had asked someone else on another forum and they agreed with what you guys said too. WIth so much agreeing and consensus, I'll just have to go with what you guys said.

Someone in the thread said that the PSU im using now wouldn't be good if I wanted to upgrade later to an i5 2500k and overclock it

Any opinions on this?
June 2, 2012 1:46:21 AM

tinhajj said:
Ok you've all been a great help, I mean no disrespect by this to all the people that have helped me, but I'm really fixated on this i5 overclocking

I found this build on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/ufzm8/build_r...

They skimped on the harddrive and case, I wouldn't need to use his exact CPU I could revert to the i5.

Now I feel like the only way you can dispute this build is by saying maybe the gfx card isn't good? but I think maybe you could find another kind of gfx card around 167 dollars that'd be good.

Also maybe the mobo could be bad? I'm not sure

The PSU didn't get good reviews, but this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
has good reviews and is 20 with rebate

Then the last thing you'd have to argue about is the 160 GB HD. And to that I'd say I can manage it. I have 140 GB right now and I've managed with that. I can use fraps to write my recordings onto the 160 HD and then transfer them to my old Hd if I need to. And then I know fraps recordings are pretty big so I'd render and compress footage if I needed to, to make it smaller.

Thats my idea and I know the people in the thread have told me over and over I shouldn't, but you can understand that I had my eyes set on this for a very very long time, and I can't really let the thought go out of my mind that quickly

Edit: I was told that using a cheap mobo now would mean it'd be harder for me to upgrade later. Are there any other draw backs?


600 bucks and you i5 up in smoke? Read feed back:

Extremely hot and smells like burnt wires 10 min into game play.
A burning smell was clearly detectable
Burning smell for the first two weeks
Smells like burning wires. Overheats and shuts down when trying to play a game.

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