Laptop

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Hi
I'm looking for the ideal Laptop to take on location to allow me to upload
and manage all images taken from my camera.

Must be light, robust and fast and.. not too expensive.

What do you use?

Thanks

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Hi,

I'm very happy with my Apple Macintosh G4 iBook (14" screen) with
airport (wireless) card. Easy to carry, relatively long battery use,
stylish white case. Hard to beat for the price.

Best,

Conrad


--
Conrad

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> I'm looking for the ideal Laptop to take on location to allow me to upload
> and manage all images taken from my camera.

Sony makes a tiny Vaio called the picturebook which I love. It's
about the size of a book, much smaller than most laptops, and you
really can take it anywhere with you.

The only drawback is that I've heard that Sony's support isn't very
good. You have to hope the machine doesn't break. Dell is supposed
to have great support (but on the other hand, I just spent three days
on the phone with Dell tech support over a broken HD - they sure blew
this service call with me).

-Joel

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| Sounded like a decent opinion until you made a ridiculous comment about
| Dell.
|
| They make excellent machines -- at a price significantly below Apple's.


Their price is indicative of their quality.

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"colin." <colin###@###j0o.com> wrote in message
news:IjRCe.72431$G8.33959@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>| Sounded like a decent opinion until you made a ridiculous comment about
> | Dell.
> |
> | They make excellent machines -- at a price significantly below Apple's.
>
>
> Their price is indicative of their quality.
>
>

Really? How many have you owned? What's your PERSONAL experience? Or are
you just an Apple bigot.

Tom

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"Bill Hilton" <bhilton665@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Jack writes ...
>>
>>I'm looking for the ideal Laptop to take on location to allow me to
>>upload and manage all images taken from my camera.
>
> Decide how big a screen you need (15.4", 13.3", 10.6" or ?), decide
> what you need for RAM and HD space, and decide how much weight you want
> to carry and if you need wireless and how long a battery life you need,
> then go from there.
>
>>Must be light, robust and fast and.. not too expensive.
>
> Unfortunately "not too expensive" is mutually exclusive with "light ...
> and fast", I've found.
>
>>What do you use?
>
> I use my laptop for flipping thru RAW files and doing a first level
> cull, then writing them off on a Nixvue via USB for 2nd level backup,
> doing the real work at home on a desktop. I need 1 GB of RAM and 80 GB
> of hard drive for this, I feel, since I'm keeping track of files for
> two people (wife) and sometimes need to cull fast between sessions.
>
> What I REALLY wanted was a small Sony Vaio with 10.6" screen and very
> light weight, but it cost more than double what I wanted to spend.
> What I ended up with was a $999 (after multiple rebates) HP from Fry's
> with a 15.4" screen, poor battery life, 1 GB RAM and 80 GB HD, but
> it's almost triple the weight of the Sony and feels pretty flimsy. So
> far so good (after a year and several trips) but I still wish I had the
> Sony

I have a Dell D800 monster for serious editing and a Sony Vaio for light
travel. But the Sony does not have a internal CD/DVD drive which can be a
problem at times. I find the small screen a little too limiting for serious
editing but I can sort photos OK. I'm really surprised it's lasted so
long - we've had it since 2001 and knock on wood - we've only recently
upgraded the hard drive from 20GB to 80GB and added RAM - no problems. It's
fantastic for wireless in the house teeny-tiny.

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| Really? My Inspiron 9300 is a darned impressive machine. 17" Wide screen.
| Amazing.
|
| I'll ask you too. What is your personal experience with Inspirons? You
do
| know that the vast majority of the Latitudes are the same as an identical
| Inspiron but with a different label?


Of course, because you own one Inspiron you are an expert on all things
Dell. How remiss of me not to realise this.

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In article <dbg0ik$n7e$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, No@mail.Please
says...
>
>Hi
>I'm looking for the ideal Laptop to take on location to allow me to upload
>and manage all images taken from my camera.
>
>Must be light, robust and fast and.. not too expensive.
>
>What do you use?
>
>Thanks

If all that you are doing is downloading from your camera's cards, then maybe
one of the iPod-type units would work well. Nikon, Iomega, Epson, MAC, and
many others make them in size up to about 80GB. Most seem to have 3" +/-
monitors. If you want to also do a bit of Web-surfing, or e-mail, you could
add a Blackberry, or Trio and have a phone too. A Trio with T-Mobile will even
get you an international account, though the call time charges can be a bit
rough.

If you also want to edit the pics, then you start getting into problems with
screen size/rez and the size of the box. For Photoshop, I use a 17" laptop,
but always end up shipping the image to one of my workstations for any output.
I'd like a smaller unit, but really miss having dual, hi-rez, 21" monitors.
Seventeen inches was as small as I was willing to go.

Hunt

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Dell service has gone straight to hell in the last two years or so. I
have purchased five or six items from them in the last two years and
there has been a problem with every one in one way or another. I know
this is anecdotal, but take a look at their ratings with the various
rating services.

Kitt


Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote:
> > I'm looking for the ideal Laptop to take on location to allow me to upload
> > and manage all images taken from my camera.
>
> Sony makes a tiny Vaio called the picturebook which I love. It's
> about the size of a book, much smaller than most laptops, and you
> really can take it anywhere with you.
>
> The only drawback is that I've heard that Sony's support isn't very
> good. You have to hope the machine doesn't break. Dell is supposed
> to have great support (but on the other hand, I just spent three days
> on the phone with Dell tech support over a broken HD - they sure blew
> this service call with me).
>
> -Joel
>
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In article <VU2De.852$2R3.105@fe02.lga>, Ron Hunter
<rphunter@charter.net> wrote:

> Moving customer support 'offshore' was a SERIOUS error, and Dell is
> paying for it in perception problems. I would hope they will correct
> this error, but this seems to be the trend. They have gone from number
> one is PC support to merely an 'also ran'. Pretty sad.

One of the things my employer does is operate a call center for some
rather large corporations. The techs always joke about answering the
phone with a Mideast accent.

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Ron Hunter wrote:

> Sigh. Why do Apple owners always have to trash other people's
> computers? Lack of confidence, defensiveness, realization of error?

They don't; that is certainly not all of us do. The reason some folks
trash another's choice in camera, O/S, car, house, religion, etc. etc.
may include any of the above---- or a host of other reasons, rational
and irrational.

Tolerate the intolerable??

The interesting question to me is why do you need to cast aspersions on
a group based on the actions of a few?
--

John McWilliams

We used to be troubled by multiple personalities, but we're O.K. now....

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In article <feoqd1tr6ilj50d7dek96r8gcamjfsf656@4ax.com>,
ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:15:01 -0700, John McWilliams wrote:
>
> >> Sigh. Why do Apple owners always have to trash other people's
> >> computers? Lack of confidence, defensiveness, realization of error?
> >
> > They don't; that is certainly not all of us do.
> > . . .
> > The interesting question to me is why do you need to cast aspersions on
> > a group based on the actions of a few?
>
> Did he really?

Yes,..... the troll did.

> There's an implied word preceding "Apple owners",
> and Ron might well have meant it to be "some".

Implications mean jack squat.

>The interesting
> question to me is why you assumed that he meant it to be "all".

Because he said "always" which equates it to all Apple users
in the context as read.
--
Would thou choose to meet a rat eating dragon, or
a dragon, eating rat? The answer of: I am somewhere
in the middle.

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:39:38 GMT, Little Green Eyed Dragon wrote:

>> Did he really?
>
> Yes,..... the troll did.

Ron is a regular participant and not a troll. Whether you are one
or not is yet to be determined.


>> There's an implied word preceding "Apple owners",
>> and Ron might well have meant it to be "some".
>
> Implications mean jack squat.

To those incapable of comprehending English at a much higher level
than "See Jack run. Run, Jack, run."


>> The interesting
>> question to me is why you assumed that he meant it to be "all".
>
> Because he said "always" which equates it to all Apple users
> in the context as read.

Nonsense. "all" and "always" have different meanings despite
similarities in spelling. How would your logic work if he happened
to have said "Why do Apple owners never . . ."? I already gave you
the words to try inserting. Since you evidently didn't I'll do it
for you:

> Sigh. Why do SOME Apple owners always have to trash other people's"

Note that the word "always" applies only to "SOME" Apple owners.
That you think the work "always" can only allow the word "ALL" to be
the implied meaning implies something else. Namely, that you are
indeed an Apple owner, since according to surveys I've read (not
recently, probably more than 15 years ago) Apple owners tend to have
better graphic than linguistic capabilities. Please note that this
applies to SOME, not ALL Apple owners.


> Would thou choose to meet a rat eating dragon, or
> a dragon, eating rat? The answer of: I am somewhere
> in the middle.

Is that a dragon eating LGED, who in turn is chomping on a rat? Or
could it be that LGED is a rat in drag? <g>

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In article <oisqd157mh0g462a0b4j50vdecvkhdc71p@4ax.com>,
ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:39:38 GMT, Little Green Eyed Dragon wrote:
>
> >> Did he really?
> >
> > Yes,..... the troll did.
>
> Ron is a regular participant and not a troll. Whether you are one
> or not is yet to be determined.

I have no doubts you and he are on good terms.
>
>
> >> There's an implied word preceding "Apple owners",
> >> and Ron might well have meant it to be "some".
> >
> > Implications mean jack squat.
>
> To those incapable of comprehending English at a much higher level
> than "See Jack run. Run, Jack, run."
>
>
> >> The interesting
> >> question to me is why you assumed that he meant it to be "all".
> >
> > Because he said "always" which equates it to all Apple users
> > in the context as read.
>
> Nonsense. "all" and "always" have different meanings despite
> similarities in spelling. How would your logic work if he happened
> to have said "Why do Apple owners never . . ."? I already gave you
> the words to try inserting. Since you evidently didn't I'll do it
> for you:

Nonsense is correct, I have no time for your childish games.
Now into the kill file where you belong.
--
Would thou choose to meet a rat eating dragon, or
a dragon, eating rat? The answer of: I am somewhere
in the middle.

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John McWilliams wrote:
> Hunt wrote:
>
>> In article <dbg0ik$n7e$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
>> No@mail.Please says...
>>
>>> Hi
>>> I'm looking for the ideal Laptop to take on location to allow me to
>>> upload
>>> and manage all images taken from my camera.
>>>
>>> Must be light, robust and fast and.. not too expensive.
>>>
>>> What do you use?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> If all that you are doing is downloading from your camera's cards,
>> then maybe one of the iPod-type units would work well. Nikon, Iomega,
>> Epson, MAC, and many others make them in size up to about 80GB. Most
>> seem to have 3" +/- monitors. If you want to also do a bit of
>> Web-surfing, or e-mail, you could add a Blackberry, or Trio and have a
>> phone too. A Trio with T-Mobile will even get you an international
>> account, though the call time charges can be a bit rough.
>>
>> If you also want to edit the pics, then you start getting into
>> problems with screen size/rez and the size of the box. For Photoshop,
>> I use a 17" laptop, but always end up shipping the image to one of my
>> workstations for any output. I'd like a smaller unit, but really miss
>> having dual, hi-rez, 21" monitors. Seventeen inches was as small as I
>> was willing to go.
>>
>
> I'd go for a Macintosh laptop, cost $800-3000. My three year+ old G-3
> ($900 then) is fine for field work, even though it's not got USBII. I
> plan to upgrade within the year to a fast G-4, but still don't plan to
> do any serious editing on it.
>
> --
> John McWilliams

I have found my HP laptop (1.4 Ghz, 512 meg, 60GB HD 15 inch LCD screen)
to be quite adequate for my needs. Battery life could be better, but it
charges fast, and my needs for battery operation are light. Speed is
adequate for running Photoshop Elements. Price, about $950 about a
year ago.


--
Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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Little Green Eyed Dragon wrote:
> In article <feoqd1tr6ilj50d7dek96r8gcamjfsf656@4ax.com>,
> ASAAR <caught@22.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:15:01 -0700, John McWilliams wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Sigh. Why do Apple owners always have to trash other people's
>>>>computers? Lack of confidence, defensiveness, realization of error?
>>>
>>>They don't; that is certainly not all of us do.
>>>. . .
>>>The interesting question to me is why do you need to cast aspersions on
>>>a group based on the actions of a few?
>>
>> Did he really?
>
>
> Yes,..... the troll did.
>
>
>>There's an implied word preceding "Apple owners",
>>and Ron might well have meant it to be "some".
>
>
> Implications mean jack squat.
>
>
>>The interesting
>>question to me is why you assumed that he meant it to be "all".
>
>
> Because he said "always" which equates it to all Apple users
> in the context as read.

Mainly because when push comes to shove, every Apple owner I have ever
known ends by trashing the PC. There may be exceptions, but I have yet
to meet one.


--
Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:06:55 -0500, Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net>
wrote:

>> I'd go for a Macintosh laptop, cost $800-3000. My three year+ old G-3
>> ($900 then) is fine for field work, even though it's not got USBII. I
>> plan to upgrade within the year to a fast G-4, but still don't plan to
>> do any serious editing on it.
>>
>> --
>> John McWilliams
>
>I have found my HP laptop (1.4 Ghz, 512 meg, 60GB HD 15 inch LCD screen)
>to be quite adequate for my needs. Battery life could be better, but it
> charges fast, and my needs for battery operation are light. Speed is
>adequate for running Photoshop Elements. Price, about $950 about a
>year ago.

If it does what you want it to do, that's a lot in its favor! :-)
Have you looked into a newer battery? My last laptop (an OLD HP) badly
needed a new battery (the original was dead; the laptop wouldn't run
more than 10 minutes unplugged),and a new, higher capacity battery was
very reasonable (a little under $100), and did wonders for it.

--
Bill Funk
replace "g" with "a"
funktionality.blogspot.com

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In article <UzhDe.1181$bG4.1065@fe06.lga>,
Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> wrote:

> Do you killfile everyone who disagrees (even politely) with you? In
> that case, I would be honored to join your list.

Actually I try to be rather tolerant,....I did not like his tone
--
Would thou choose to meet a rat eating dragon, or
a dragon, eating rat? The answer of: I am somewhere
in the middle.

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Little Green Eyed Dragon wrote:
> In article <%xhDe.1178$bG4.664@fe06.lga>,
> Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>Mainly because when push comes to shove, every Apple owner I have ever
>>known ends by trashing the PC. There may be exceptions, but I have yet
>>to meet one.
>
>
> Biggest complaint, I have are the endless security patches Microsoft
> send to my website server. I have no problem with PC computers
> otherwise. Anything running Windows I'll opt out from running on the
> Net.

Well, I have 3 Windows computers on the net, and have never had a
problem with any of them. Most of the problems people have are either
bad operating habits, or laziness, or ignorance. Those can get you into
trouble on any computer.


--
Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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Ron Hunter wrote:
> John McWilliams wrote:
>> Hunt wrote:
>>
>>> In article <dbg0ik$n7e$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
>>> No@mail.Please says...
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>> I'm looking for the ideal Laptop to take on location to allow me
>>>> to
>>>> upload
>>>> and manage all images taken from my camera.
>>>>
>>>> Must be light, robust and fast and.. not too expensive.
>>>>
>>>> What do you use?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If all that you are doing is downloading from your camera's cards,
>>> then maybe one of the iPod-type units would work well. Nikon,
>>> Iomega, Epson, MAC, and many others make them in size up to about
>>> 80GB. Most seem to have 3" +/- monitors. If you want to also do a
>>> bit of Web-surfing, or e-mail, you could add a Blackberry, or Trio
>>> and have a phone too. A Trio with T-Mobile will even get you an
>>> international account, though the call time charges can be a bit
>>> rough. If you also want to edit the pics, then you start getting
>>> into
>>> problems with screen size/rez and the size of the box. For
>>> Photoshop, I use a 17" laptop, but always end up shipping the
>>> image
>>> to one of my workstations for any output. I'd like a smaller unit,
>>> but really miss having dual, hi-rez, 21" monitors. Seventeen
>>> inches
>>> was as small as I was willing to go.
>>>
>>
>> I'd go for a Macintosh laptop, cost $800-3000. My three year+ old
>> G-3
>> ($900 then) is fine for field work, even though it's not got USBII.
>> I
>> plan to upgrade within the year to a fast G-4, but still don't plan
>> to do any serious editing on it.
>>
>> --
>> John McWilliams
>
> I have found my HP laptop (1.4 Ghz, 512 meg, 60GB HD 15 inch LCD
> screen) to be quite adequate for my needs. Battery life could be
> better, but it charges fast, and my needs for battery operation are
> light. Speed is adequate for running Photoshop Elements. Price,
> about $950 about a year ago.

Does it have a CF card slot? The current similars I have seen are
five-in-one equipped, but the CF is not one of them.

--
Frank ess

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Frank ess wrote:
> Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>> John McWilliams wrote:
>>
>>> Hunt wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <dbg0ik$n7e$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>,
>>>> No@mail.Please says...
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> I'm looking for the ideal Laptop to take on location to allow me to
>>>>> upload
>>>>> and manage all images taken from my camera.
>>>>>
>>>>> Must be light, robust and fast and.. not too expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you use?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If all that you are doing is downloading from your camera's cards,
>>>> then maybe one of the iPod-type units would work well. Nikon,
>>>> Iomega, Epson, MAC, and many others make them in size up to about
>>>> 80GB. Most seem to have 3" +/- monitors. If you want to also do a
>>>> bit of Web-surfing, or e-mail, you could add a Blackberry, or Trio
>>>> and have a phone too. A Trio with T-Mobile will even get you an
>>>> international account, though the call time charges can be a bit
>>>> rough. If you also want to edit the pics, then you start getting into
>>>> problems with screen size/rez and the size of the box. For
>>>> Photoshop, I use a 17" laptop, but always end up shipping the image
>>>> to one of my workstations for any output. I'd like a smaller unit,
>>>> but really miss having dual, hi-rez, 21" monitors. Seventeen inches
>>>> was as small as I was willing to go.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'd go for a Macintosh laptop, cost $800-3000. My three year+ old G-3
>>> ($900 then) is fine for field work, even though it's not got USBII. I
>>> plan to upgrade within the year to a fast G-4, but still don't plan
>>> to do any serious editing on it.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John McWilliams
>>
>>
>> I have found my HP laptop (1.4 Ghz, 512 meg, 60GB HD 15 inch LCD
>> screen) to be quite adequate for my needs. Battery life could be
>> better, but it charges fast, and my needs for battery operation are
>> light. Speed is adequate for running Photoshop Elements. Price,
>> about $950 about a year ago.
>
>
> Does it have a CF card slot? The current similars I have seen are
> five-in-one equipped, but the CF is not one of them.
>
No CF card slot, but there is a PC Card slot, and I have a USB card
reader (6 in 1) that works fine with it.
The only negative aspect I have found is that it weighs in at 6.5 lbs.
It seems one can have light, or inexpensive, not both.


--
Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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I'd go with the iBook. I have one, and I absolutely adore it. The
reason apple people are so, uh...agressive in pushing apple products is
simply a love for the brand. We see people buying Dell laptops and
just feel like they don't know what they're missing. I've steered a
number of coworkers and friends towards Apple and none of them regret
it.

The Good:
-The iBook will come with iPhoto, which handles RAW photos now and has
some basic editing capabilities. The ability to natively work with RAW
is great.
-5 hour battery life
-Ability to work with two displays (with Screen Spanning Doctor)
-Relatively small and light for the $1000 price point
-No need to worry about getting a virus (ok, very _little_ reason to
worry about it)
-Spectacular software packaged with the computer. You're getting a
very complete suite of programs that blow away the stuff packaged with
a Dell.
-OS 10.4 is absolutely awesome. This is one area where apple is, in my
mind, unquestionably better. I cry a little bit when I'm at work in
front of an XP box. The built-in search feature is one of those things
that once you've used, you can't figure out how you got along without
it. Same thing for Expose.
-Nearly instant wake from sleep. My machine only gets turned off once
a month or so. I can tell you when the last OS upgrade came out
because that's the only time it goes down.

The Bad:
-The machine isn't going to be as fast as new Dell with anything other
than their slowest processor. You'll get used to it. It's not slow
feeling in day-to-day stuff, but you do lose something on the
just-chew-through-this-data front. Generally I'll download all my RAW
files and feed them into capture one pro, do the adjustments, and have
it process the files overnight.
-Fewer pieces of good commercial software. All the creative stuff is
available, but there are going to be fewer games and business software
packages.
-The file browser, Finder, just isn't as nice as windows' Explorer.
-The display on the iBook doesn't seem to be as bright and crisp as a
vaio or a powerbook's display. It's very usuable, but I'm not terribly
blown away by it.
-One button trackpad. Gross. You can use iScroll2 to get two-fingered
scrolling and a right-click like feature, but I still wish I had a
right click.
-Fewer keyboard shortcuts, I think. I'm a big keyboard fan, and this
is one area where apple continues to piss me off.

When all is said and done, I think I've spent less on my iBook than I
would have on a PC laptop. Figure $1000 for the 12" ibook, plus
another hundred or so for 512-1024mb of ram (OS X needs _a lot_ of
RAM). Get the applecare, too. In the long run, you'll very likely
save time and money with apple products. They hold their value longer,
so if you're upgrading every couple of years you'll not _completey_
lose your shirt when you sell it on ebay.

As someone else said, if you're still set on a windows machine, I'd
_strongly_ suggest one of the IBM Thinkpads. Those things are built
like tanks and when you remove it from the package the first time
you'll get a nice wiff of high-class electronics smell. I love that.

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"ASAAR" <caught@22.com> wrote in message
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> On 20 Jul 2005 09:51:24 -0700, grendel@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Bad:
>> -The machine isn't going to be as fast as new Dell with anything other
>> than their slowest processor. You'll get used to it.
>
> I'm no fan of Apple products, but to be fair, while the new Dells
> might be faster, due to the way Windows likes to save literally
> millions of bits of every imaginable kind of data (often encrypted
> or obfuscated) in its registry, given enough time, those Dells may
> bog down and become slower and less responsive than the iBooks.
> Many Windows owners learn that if their machines become excessively
> slow, the cure is to format the hard drive and reinstall Windows.


I like Apple products, they are good solid machines. In my case, sometime
ago I went PC because my business needs industry specific software and
frankly that vendor area simply doesn't do much with Apple OS. I use a
Timberline product and they see no need or reason to create software for
Apple. But I do understand why people who use Apple find anything else just
a bit perplexing.

On the other hand I am now sold on PC's for reasons that have more to do
with business than anything else, but it is a need I have and Dell has
always provided me with extremely good solid notebook machines.I recently
moved to a 6000 and am quite impressed. I am currently using it on the
office network (where I keep my photo archives) and using it for all my
photo editing tasks. It is a charm for this use and when I travel it will be
an extremely good tool to have on photo trips.

All that said, I think anyone anywhere who buys a PC from any of the major
suppliers needs to do a reformat immediately upon receipt of the machine,
and then a fresh install of the OS as well as any required drivers. To use
them as an example: Dell, machines are capable of so much more speed but
Dell sells disk rights to so many vendors that the day your machine is
delivered it is already stuffed full of programs, startup items and registry
entries that it has no chance of performing to the levels it's hardware
would otherwise allow.

Clean that baby up, put on what **you** need and desire, and not only will
the machine runs faster but your program and program functions will run
cleaner.

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Ross Garrett wrote:
> "ASAAR" <caught@22.com> wrote in message
> news:403td15sd16ob70592dpdhj7i1ch6cuu34@4ax.com...
>
>>On 20 Jul 2005 09:51:24 -0700, grendel@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>The Bad:
>>>-The machine isn't going to be as fast as new Dell with anything other
>>>than their slowest processor. You'll get used to it.
>>
>> I'm no fan of Apple products, but to be fair, while the new Dells
>>might be faster, due to the way Windows likes to save literally
>>millions of bits of every imaginable kind of data (often encrypted
>>or obfuscated) in its registry, given enough time, those Dells may
>>bog down and become slower and less responsive than the iBooks.
>>Many Windows owners learn that if their machines become excessively
>>slow, the cure is to format the hard drive and reinstall Windows.
>
>
>
> I like Apple products, they are good solid machines. In my case, sometime
> ago I went PC because my business needs industry specific software and
> frankly that vendor area simply doesn't do much with Apple OS. I use a
> Timberline product and they see no need or reason to create software for
> Apple. But I do understand why people who use Apple find anything else just
> a bit perplexing.
>
> On the other hand I am now sold on PC's for reasons that have more to do
> with business than anything else, but it is a need I have and Dell has
> always provided me with extremely good solid notebook machines.I recently
> moved to a 6000 and am quite impressed. I am currently using it on the
> office network (where I keep my photo archives) and using it for all my
> photo editing tasks. It is a charm for this use and when I travel it will be
> an extremely good tool to have on photo trips.
>
> All that said, I think anyone anywhere who buys a PC from any of the major
> suppliers needs to do a reformat immediately upon receipt of the machine,
> and then a fresh install of the OS as well as any required drivers. To use
> them as an example: Dell, machines are capable of so much more speed but
> Dell sells disk rights to so many vendors that the day your machine is
> delivered it is already stuffed full of programs, startup items and registry
> entries that it has no chance of performing to the levels it's hardware
> would otherwise allow.
>
> Clean that baby up, put on what **you** need and desire, and not only will
> the machine runs faster but your program and program functions will run
> cleaner.
>
>
One of the first things I do with a new computer is clean it of stuff I
neither want, nor need. But formatting and reinstalling is going a bit
too far for me.


--
Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Ross Garrett wrote:

> One of the first things I do with a new computer is clean it of stuff I
> neither want, nor need. But formatting and reinstalling is going a bit
> too far for me.

I find it much easier to do than hunt through the registry, even with some
of the fine reg-edit products out there these days. It provides a complete
clean. And with the speed of today's notebooks it's done in 1/10 the time it
used to take only 3 or 4 years ago.

A few hours with my new notebook(s) and I have as clean and dedicated
machine as I can get. And few hours is not, in my estimation, to far to
good to have a speedy, streamlined, clean slate.

You simply cannot get there by removing, deleting and editing. There is
always something left behind to muck up the party. **That** is part and
parcel of running any Windows version.