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Hi folks,
I am getting into digital photography and recently bought a D70 DSLR
with the kit lens (18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 G-AFS ED-IF DX Autofocus Lens).
The question I have is related to the size of the image as I see it
through the viewfinder.
Now, my understanding is that this lens will produce images that are
similar (size wise at least) to those coming out of a 27-105mm SLR (due
to the 1.5x crop factor).
When I look through the viewfinder the image that is the closest to
what I see in reality "happens" somewhere between 60-65mm.
Here's where I get confused, please bare with me.
I remember reading it somewhere that the "unit" lens for 35mm would be
42mm (the diagonal measurement of a 35mm frame) so the numbers don't
quite add up.
The diagonal measurement of the CCD sensor would be ~28mm. Multiplying
it with 1.5 you get (after less than 7.5 mil years of calculation -
42. Doing it again you'll get 63mm indeed but this is cargo cult math
and I would like to understand more exactly how this things work.
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On 18 Jul 2005 11:25:39 -0700, sebif@yahoo.com wrote:
>I remember reading it somewhere that the "unit" lens for 35mm would be
>42mm (the diagonal measurement of a 35mm frame) so the numbers don't
>quite add up.
>
>The diagonal measurement of the CCD sensor would be ~28mm. Multiplying
>it with 1.5 you get (after less than 7.5 mil years of calculation -
>42. Doing it again you'll get 63mm indeed but this is cargo cult math
>and I would like to understand more exactly how this things work.
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<sebif@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hi folks,
>
> I am getting into digital photography and recently bought a D70 DSLR
> with the kit lens (18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 G-AFS ED-IF DX Autofocus Lens).
>
> The question I have is related to the size of the image as I see it
> through the viewfinder.
The viewfinder shows 92% of the image.
> Now, my understanding is that this lens will produce images that are
> similar (size wise at least) to those coming out of a 27-105mm SLR (due
> to the 1.5x crop factor).
>
> When I look through the viewfinder the image that is the closest to
> what I see in reality "happens" somewhere between 60-65mm.
At what focal length of the zoom lens?
>
> Here's where I get confused, please bare with me.
Your confusion started far sooner....
>
> I remember reading it somewhere that the "unit" lens for 35mm would be
> 42mm (the diagonal measurement of a 35mm frame) so the numbers don't
> quite add up.
Your number don't because yours are incorrect. The film diagonal of a 35mm
frame (size = 24x36) is 43.266. The diagonal of the D70 sensor (size =
15.6x23.7) is 28.429. If you divide 43.266 by 28.429 you will find the
answer to be 1.52. The posted factor of 1.5 is close enough.
Jim
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Do not confuse *viewfinder size* anything direct. The *lens focal
length* does have a relationship to the *sensor size* in determining
the *field of view*.
The relationship of viewfinder magnification affects the relative
sizing of the subject being display on it vs. the sizing of the image
viewed with the naken eye. Due to the fact that cameras over the years
cram more and more information into the viewfinder has resulted in the
apparent subject size becoming smaller (vs. direct viewing by eye of
the real subject), and relative magnification of the viewfinder has
progressively shrunk from about 0.98x down to 0.92x (assuming the lens
and the sensor have not changed at all in size!).
To exxagerate for iilustration, you could have an 2"x3" display LED,
upon which is displayed the same photo as captured by both a 24mm x
36mm image sensor and by a 16mm x 24mm image sensor. You put a 42mm
lens in front of the 24x36 sensor in order to get a 'normal' field of
view; but you would put a 29mm lens in front of the 16x24 sensor to the
same 'normal' field of view. But the viewfinder of the 16x24 camera
might be 0.94X and the viewfinder magnification in the 24x36 camera
might be only 0.92x.
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Thanks for your responses guys,
I guess my question should have been:
How do you calculate the focal length for which you get objects to
*appear* life-size in the viewfinder? Is this important in any way?
Looking through the viewfinder the objects appear to be life-size at
aprox. 70mm.
This happens for both DSLR (D70 - 18-70 lens) and 35mm SLR (Elan7 28-90
lens - which has a bigger viewfinder).
I thought the focal length for real life-size would be 50mm (well..
43mm) for 35mm camera and somewhat proportional(1.5x) for the DSLR,
hence my confusion when I actually got 70mm for each one of them.
I hope my question is somewhat clearer this time. It could be that I am
looking at the problem from a weird perspective as I am learning these
things. If so please let me know.
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