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June 2, 2012 9:57:35 PM

First time builder here

Approximate Purchase Date: In two days

Budget Range: 1400-1600

System Usage from Most to Least Important: CAD, physics modelling, video/photo editing, gaming, watching movies

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse, speakers, monitor

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg, tigerdirect, ncix, amazon

Country: Chile (will be importing)

Parts Preferences: N/A

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: In the future maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200

Here are the specs i came up with:

NZXT Phantom 410 CA-PH410-B1 White Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P8Z77-V LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA 02G-P4-2678-KR GeForce GTX 670 FTW 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec High Current Gamer Series HCG-750 750W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V v2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate Barracuda Green ST2000DL003 2TB 5900 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-ray Drive Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I will be buying in the next two days so i would love some input on wether i should change some components or not. Have some doubts about the barracuda green. Also will the RAM fit with the hyper 212? is the hyperthreading really worth the extra $100? is my PSU an overkill? AM i missing anything in my build? i'm just trying to make sure i'm making the right calls, or if there's chance to shave some price off. Thanks in advance for any advice you might have :) 

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June 2, 2012 10:22:09 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You may want to go with this ram (low profile) so as not to interfere with the cpu heat sink. It's the same ram that you had chosen only low profile , just in case because aftermarket fans can sometimes have clearence issues with tall heat spreaders.
If your going to go with SLI later on then you may want to consider an 850w psu for two 670's unless you want to do that upgrade later when you actually get the card.
The build looks solid and I can't see changing anything.
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June 2, 2012 10:23:12 PM

+1 ^
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June 2, 2012 10:24:24 PM

A very good list.

The Barracuda green seems to be one of the better 2gb drives:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/843-6/components-ret...

You might check out the ssd section too.
I think Intel 520 or samsung may be less trouble prone.

From a performance point of view, a 7200rpm drive might be better.

For ram, I would get a 2 x 8gb ddr3 1600 ram kit.
2 sticks are easier to OC, and you preserve your option to go to 32gb which might be helpful for your 64 bit enabled apps.
1.5v ram does not even need heat spreaders which are mostly marketing.
Look for a low profile version to avoid possible clearance issues with the cpu cooler.
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June 2, 2012 10:41:49 PM

So far, I mostly agree with what everyone has said.

For the RAM, yeah that Vengeance won't fit. If you can find these in stock, get two of them: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... . It may look pretty awful based on its specs, but they overclock insanely well. Slap on some blue or black heatspreaders if you don't like the look of the bare module. Or if you want to go the 2x8 route (which is what I'd recommend because 32GB of RAM is awesome for video editing), go with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... .

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If your going to go with SLI later on then you may want to consider an 850w psu for two 670's unless you want to do that upgrade later when you actually get the card.
850w is overkill for SLI 670s... This is more than enough: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Yes go with the 3770K. Hyper-threading is definitely worth the extra $100; trust me, I know :) 

I have that same 2TB hard drive and I've had no problems with it so far. So +1 from me for getting it!

- Jake
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June 2, 2012 10:52:36 PM

So i took your advice and changed the 4 vengeances for 2 8GB vengeance LP

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the mushkin chronos for a crucial M4 128GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And the antec 750w for the OCZ pSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also do i have to consider buying some thermalpaste for the aftermarket heatsink? giving a quick look i came up with this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

is there anything i'm missing here? thanks for the input :) 
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June 2, 2012 11:00:04 PM

pinwi said:
So i took your advice and changed the 4 vengeances for 2 8GB vengeance LP

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the mushkin chronos for a crucial M4 128GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And the antec 750w for the OCZ pSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also do i have to consider buying some thermalpaste for the aftermarket heatsink? giving a quick look i came up with this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

is there anything i'm missing here? thanks for the input :) 


The thermal paste the hyper 212 comes with is good enough
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June 2, 2012 11:00:44 PM

pinwi said:
So i took your advice and changed the 4 vengeances for 2 8GB vengeance LP

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the mushkin chronos for a crucial M4 128GB

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And the antec 750w for the OCZ pSU

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also do i have to consider buying some thermalpaste for the aftermarket heatsink? giving a quick look i came up with this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

is there anything i'm missing here? thanks for the input :) 
You don't have the buy the AS5 because the Hyper 212 comes with some already, but it will help drop temps a few degrees :) 

- Jake
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June 2, 2012 11:17:35 PM

The thermal paste you listed is probably the best and I use that all the time. If your staying with a 750w psu then I would not have switched to the OCZ junk , the Antec is a lot better than that , but if you wanted to go with a top quality psu then you would go with this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
$159.99

Before you go changing next time look at the feedback of the part you are switching to. You switched from a highly rated psu to a much lower rated psu as was indicated by the feedback , the OCZ psu had terrible feedback while the Antec had great feedback. The SeaSonic might be more expensive then both but they are well known for quality psu's.

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June 2, 2012 11:20:39 PM

inzone said:
The thermal paste you listed is probably the best and I use that all the time. If your staying with a 750w psu then I would not have switched to the OCZ junk , the Antec is a lot better than that , but if you wanted to go with a top quality psu then you would go with this one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SeaSonic X750 Gold 750W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
$159.99

Before you go changing next time look at the feedback of the part you are switching to. You switched from a highly rated psu to a much lower rated psu as was indicated by the feedback , the OCZ psu had terrible feedback while the Antec had great feedback. The SeaSonic might be more expensive then both but they are well known for quality psu's.
Jonnyguru says otherwise about that OCZ PSU...

But if OP wants to spend a bit more on a PSU, go with this instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- Jake
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June 2, 2012 11:47:55 PM

I tend to give more weight to what the feedback is and what the people who actually bought the part think about it after they are using it for a period of time. A review site is sent an item to them from the company that makes the part and those are hand picked before being shipped so that they are sent a good working item for them to test and review. The company certianly isn't going to take the chance of sending a defective non-working part for testing and review.
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June 2, 2012 11:56:02 PM

Ok so reading through the feedback it disencourages me to buy the OZ PSU
Now my question is wether it's a good idea to upgrade from the antec PSu to either the seasonic or the corsair. The three get great feedback and the only difference getween the three are the 80 plus certification. Is it worth it the extra $40 to get a higher 80 plus PSU? I'm getting kinda confued right now.. :( 
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June 2, 2012 11:58:45 PM

inzone said:
I tend to give more weight to what the feedback is and what the people who actually bought the part think about it after they are using it for a period of time. A review site is sent an item to them from the company that makes the part and those are hand picked before being shipped so that they are sent a good working item for them to test and review. The company certianly isn't going to take the chance of sending a defective non-working part for testing and review.
I suppose you're right. But then again, some owners don't know what they are talking about. I don't think that really applies in this case because I checked the reviews and there seemed to be similar complains, so yeah they're valid IMO. I looked around on Newegg and found that for the same price, you can get a 850w. Now I know I said that's overkill and while it is, I don't see why to spend the same amount of money and get 100w less.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or spend a little bit less for the 750w of the XFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- Jake

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June 2, 2012 11:59:35 PM

Get the OCZ PSU. Jonnyguru is the most reliable PSU reviewer, and if he says it is fine, it is fine.
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June 2, 2012 11:59:55 PM

My understanding is that OCZ psu quality is mixed, depending on the unit.

I can personally vouch for the Seasonic X750 gold psu. It is modular, gold rated and absolutely quiet.
I bought it for a small form factor case where modular mattered. It is as good as you can get, but a bit pricey.

I would have prefered the original Antec.

Or, for a different high quality unit, look at the PC P&C silencer 750w unit.
Silver rated and $90 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 3, 2012 12:03:32 AM

geofelt said:
My understanding is that OCZ psu quality is mixed, depending on the unit.

I can personally vouch for the Seasonic X750 gold psu. It is modular, gold rated and absolutely quiet.
I bought it for a small form factor case where modular mattered. It is as good as you can get, but a bit pricey.

I would have prefered the original Antec.

Or, for a different high quality unit, look at the PC P&C silencer 750w unit.
Silver rated and $90 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
+1 to the PC P&C unit. I forgot about this; I actually recommended this to someone a few weeks ago. If non-modular isn't a concern, then OP should take a look at this. Also, you can't really go wrong with a 7 year warranty. It just really depends what OP is looking for...

- Jake
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June 3, 2012 12:11:30 AM

The only concern i have regarding the... modularity (?) of the PSU is since i'm a first time builder i could get some issues with the whole "where do i put all these left over cables???" but other than that i'm fine with a non-modular PSU. The 7-year warranty is really tempting though
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June 3, 2012 12:12:33 AM

geofelt said:
My understanding is that OCZ psu quality is mixed, depending on the unit.

I can personally vouch for the Seasonic X750 gold psu. It is modular, gold rated and absolutely quiet.
I bought it for a small form factor case where modular mattered. It is as good as you can get, but a bit pricey.

I would have prefered the original Antec.

Or, for a different high quality unit, look at the PC P&C silencer 750w unit.
Silver rated and $90 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The TX750 V2 is $50 cheaper than the Seasonic and gets the same 9.5 JonnyGuru rating.
I don't see your PSU in JonnyGuru, but it is an excellent unit. Depends on what you value. GOLD ratings are good to have, but far from needed.
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June 3, 2012 12:20:03 AM

pinwi said:
The only concern i have regarding the... modularity (?) of the PSU is since i'm a first time builder i could get some issues with the whole "where do i put all these left over cables???" but other than that i'm fine with a non-modular PSU. The 7-year warranty is really tempting though


First of all, even on a modular psu, you are going to use most of the leads anyway.
The unused ones are just tucked out of the way of the cooling airstream.
In the case you picked, on the bottom of the case would be fine.

As to the value of gold or silver efficiency, you are unlikely to recoup the extra cost through electricity savings.
More efficient psu's will tend to be quieter becan the fans do not need to spin up so much for cooling.
The Seasonic X750 gold unit actually warns you not to be concerned if the fan does not seem to be operative.
If mine ever turns on, I can't hear it.

Worth it? That is a judgement that only YOU can make.
Personally, I have sometimes regretted buying cheap, but rarely regretted buying more quality than I needed.
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June 3, 2012 12:25:02 AM

Non-modular is fine, but with a price like that, it's hard to find comparable PSUs.
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June 3, 2012 12:29:00 AM

pinwi said:
The only concern i have regarding the... modularity (?) of the PSU is since i'm a first time builder i could get some issues with the whole "where do i put all these left over cables???" but other than that i'm fine with a non-modular PSU. The 7-year warranty is really tempting though
XFX has a 5 year warranty on the ones I listed, and they are mostly modular. And you'll end up using all of the cables attached anyways :) 

geofelt said:
As to the value of gold or silver efficiency, you are unlikely to recoup the extra cost through electricity savings.
+1 to this. It'll take a few years (at minimum) to gain those savings back.

- Jake
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June 3, 2012 1:33:51 AM

I think i'm going to go with the PCP&C PSU, seems legit and according to the reviews and feeback seems like a solid purchase. Thanks everyone, i'm glad a place like this exists on the interwebz

Final build is this :

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
NZXT phantom 410
MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS P8hz77 V
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
EVGA Geforce GTX 760
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
pc power & cooling MKII 750W
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Intel core i7 3770k IB
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Crucial M4 128 GB
Memory: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...ç
Corsair Vengeance black (2x8GB) LP
HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate Barracuda green 2TB @5600 rpm
Optical drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS BR reader
Heatsink: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO

Any final thougts? i think i'll be buying tomorrow. SO this build looks solid? thank you everyone again :) 
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June 3, 2012 1:58:18 AM

cranked said:
Why the 5600 rpm drive?

Maybe this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'm getting the barracuda mainly because it's more energy efficient and it runs a bit cooler than a 7200rpm hdd. Plus all my frequently accessed data will be allocated on the SSD :) 
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June 3, 2012 3:16:06 AM

One bit of advice:
Take the time now to download and read, cover to cover the case and motherboard manuals.
Many questions will be answered.

Have you ordered a OS? Windows 7 64 bit.
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June 3, 2012 3:29:11 AM

Yes, will do

No i won't order an OS
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June 3, 2012 3:29:51 AM

geofelt said:
One bit of advice:
Take the time now to download and read, cover to cover the case and motherboard manuals.
Many questions will be answered.

Have you ordered a OS? Windows 7 64 bit.
And if you get Windows 7, be sure to get Professional or Ultimate so you can utilize more than 16GB of RAM in the future :D 

- Jake
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June 3, 2012 5:33:56 AM

The Crucial M4 is a popuilar SSD but I don;t see why it's so populr with such slow write speeds (175mb/s ) , I have the Samsung 830 and the write spwwds are more than double that . Also I have the 256gb model which gives me plenty of room for what ever I want to put on it without worrying about space.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $267

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $170

For $100 more you double the size of the drive.

The 3770K is not in stock at Newegg so you may have to try Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-3770K-processor-BX8063...

You really should consider a 7200 rpm hard drive as the 5400 rpm is laptop speed and even though you will have your frequently accessed data on the SSD when you do want something from the hdd it will be slow.
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June 3, 2012 5:50:34 AM

For files, I don't think the speed will matter.
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June 3, 2012 5:56:25 AM

inzone said:
The Crucial M4 is a popuilar SSD but I don;t see why it's so populr with such slow write speeds (175mb/s ) , I have the Samsung 830 and the write spwwds are more than double that . Also I have the 256gb model which gives me plenty of room for what ever I want to put on it without worrying about space.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $267

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $170

For $100 more you double the size of the drive.

The 3770K is not in stock at Newegg so you may have to try Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-3770K-processor-BX8063...

You really should consider a 7200 rpm hard drive as the 5400 rpm is laptop speed and even though you will have your frequently accessed data on the SSD when you do want something from the hdd it will be slow.
It's popular because it's cheap and very reliable. Sure it doesn't have the fastest speeds, but let's be honest, how often in real world scenarios can you tell the difference in SSD speeds? Because I honestly can't tell that much of a difference between my Intel 320 and OCZ Vertex 4 except in benchmarking...

The 2TB is actually 5900rpm (wow a whole 500 more rpm lol). But on a more serious note, I'm using that drive right now and it works fine for me (I do the same stuff that OP does). Since it's just for storage, speed really doesn't matter too much.


- Jake
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