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Will the this card (ZOTAC GeForce GTS 450) run Skyrim?

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April 5, 2012 1:30:19 AM

im trying to find a graphics card that's around $150 that ca run skyrim on medium-high. I just need to know whether this card can run it wel and if there's another one thats around the same price that maybe can run it better

Link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 5, 2012 1:49:51 AM

If your looking to spend 150$ on a card I strongly recommend shopping around until you find a 6870 at that price, I have seen them as low as 140$ on sale. A 6870 will mop the floor with a GTS 450.

Lastly a GTS 450 will play skyrim quite well, as I just picked up a new 250GTS(similar card just a bit older) for 60$ for my little brothers PC and it has been running Skyrim at medium/high with excellent frame rates.
April 5, 2012 5:59:02 AM

Lgab said:
It should be able to max out Skyrim actually as long as you have a decent processor with memory.

If you're looking for a much better option for about $10 more (after rebate) you could go with this though...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Sorry, Im kind of a noob, what exactly is processor?
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 8:13:00 AM

deeRnyrA said:
Sorry, Im kind of a noob, what exactly is processor?

That would be your CPU!
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a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 9:01:23 AM

Lgab said:
It should be able to max out Skyrim actually as long as you have a decent processor with memory.

If you're looking for a much better option for about $10 more (after rebate) you could go with this though...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


A 450 maxing out skyrim? is it April Fools ? a 550 ti is a terrible choice, a 6850 or if he can find a 6870 on sale would be the best choice.
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 9:39:59 AM

Hello.
In order to max out Skyrim you need 2 things.
A great cpu plus a decent gpu with lots of VRAM!
By enabling Ultra settings (8xAA + FXAA + 16xAF + Shadows on Ultra) plus high resolution patch from bethesda, criples the video memory. Caps for sure my 1280MB of my GTX570.
But for medium to high settings, without high resolution patch, the game is playable even in a laptop with GT555m (144cores, 128bit DDR3) (25% at least less power than gts 450) but with a good CPU.

So as for your question, if gts450 is able to run Skyrim in medium-high settings, Yes it can run in medium to high settings.

But what's your CPU? You can find it by right clicking on "My computer" on the selection "properties". In the window that will apper you can see it.

:) 
a c 92 U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 10:09:03 AM

buy the 6850. Its a lot better. Should be able to play skyrim on high with decent AA.
April 5, 2012 10:58:07 PM

photonboy said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skyrim-performance-...

I agree with and HD6850 or HD6870. By far the best value.

Here's an HD6870 for $150 USD (after MIR): http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=62756&vpn=HD687AZHFC&m...

Other:
- Power Supply must be adequate for the card (enough Amps on the +12V rail)
- If the CPU is too old it will be a bottleneck.

*If you want slightly better advice tell us your basic specs:
- CPU
- RAM
- Power Supply


PC specs:

CPU: AMD Athlon(64x Dual core processor)
RAM: 2GB(it has 4 RAM slots)
Power supply: 300 watt

April 5, 2012 11:01:47 PM

bryonhowley said:
That would be your CPU!


oh ok! now i know what you mean LOL! I have an AMD athlon would that be a good enough CPU to run Skyrim?
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 4:10:21 AM

Just so you know, I have a 2500k and a 5750 and I can max skyrim at 1080p w/ 2x AA... Not as smooth as I'd like but deff playable. A 450 is better than a 5750.
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 4:16:53 AM

Hmm that processor is kind of weak for Skyrim. You can try with a cheaper card but I wouldn't spend much unless you have a better processor. If you have a great graphics card but weak processor, the graphics won't be able to perform as well and you will get much lower fps, making it choppy and laggy.

If I were you I'd get a 6450.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 4:32:52 AM

I've got a GTS450. I can run Skyrim with Textures and Radial Blur to High, Decals on None (pretty sure it can handle ultra) and Shadow quality to Medium. Also, I run it at 1600X900. Runs smooth, gets around 30-45 FPS with rare sudden drops to mid 20s.

Your processor is quite weak to handle a HD 6850 and a HD 6870. I'd recommend you avoid them for now, since your processor would be a bottleneck.
A GTS450 would be the way to go, but I wouldn't suggest them now. Get a HD 6770.
I would also suggest a PSU upgrade. I don't think that 300W PSU is going to hold in an HD 6770 or a GTS450.

Corsair CX430W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD 6770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$45+$100=$145 total
Still fits your budget.

But if you want more room, get an Antec Earthwatts EA 650
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $150.
April 6, 2012 4:33:32 AM

jryan388 said:
Hmm that processor is kind of weak for Skyrim. You can try with a cheaper card but I wouldn't spend much unless you have a better processor. If you have a great graphics card but weak processor, the graphics won't be able to perform as well and you will get much lower fps, making it choppy and laggy.

If I were you I'd get a 6450.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...


iv been reading some reviews on the page you gave me, and so far I've heard its good but its not a gaming card. Is there maybe an entirely new CPU i could buy that would work well but not cost me a lot?
April 6, 2012 4:39:24 AM

Gman450 said:
I've got a GTS450. I can run Skyrim with Textures and Radial Blur to High, Decals on None (pretty sure it can handle ultra) and Shadow quality to Medium. Also, I run it at 1600X900. Runs smooth, gets around 30-45 FPS with rare sudden drops to mid 20s.

Your processor is quite weak to handle a HD 6850 and a HD 6870. I'd recommend you avoid them for now, since your processor would be a bottleneck.
A GTS450 would be the way to go, but I wouldn't suggest them now. Get a HD 6770.
I would also suggest a PSU upgrade. I don't think that 300W PSU is going to hold in an HD 6770 or a GTS450.

Corsair CX430W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD 6770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$45+$100=$145 total
Still fits your budget.

But if you want more room, get an Antec Earthwatts EA 650
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $150.


So i dont need a new CPU just get these and it'll be good?
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 4:42:22 AM

From what I can see, the bottleneck would be slight with a HD 6770. And little to no bottleneck with a GTS450 or a HD 5750/6750.
Also, what's your monitor's native resolution?

And yes, I don't think you'll need a new CPU for the parts I suggested.
April 6, 2012 4:49:56 AM

Gman450 said:
From what I can see, the bottleneck would be slight with a HD 6770. And little to no bottleneck with a GTS450 or a HD 5750/6750.
Also, what's your monitor's native resolution?

And yes, I don't think you'll need a new CPU for the parts I suggested.


2 things:
1) what does bottleneck mean?
2) my monitors resolution is 1440x900
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 5:36:18 AM

1) Bottleneck can be defined as a phenomenon in which either the GPU or the CPU is unable to transfer data at the same speeds as the former or the latter ( in tech terms).
For example, suppose you had a high end CPU, like a i5 2500k, and a relatively low end GPU, like a GT430. In such a case, the GT430 is unable to operate/ process data at the same speeds as the 2500k. Here, the GPU is the bottleneck.

And consider another example, in which we take yours for the time being,
You have the 4000+, and if you added a GTX680, the CPU is unable to process data at the same speeds as the 680. Here, the CPU is the bottleneck.


2) That resolution should be fine for a HD 6770 or a GTS450.
April 6, 2012 6:10:59 AM

Bottlenecks do not tend to behave the same in every game. While in Skyrim if you went with the automatic settings with a 6870 and that athlon it would certainly be CPU limited.

That doesn't mean you can't turn down every CPU based effect (shadows and decals are two I can think of off the top of my head that are CPU based effects) and experience significantly improved FPS when it's that GPU doing most of the work.

There will be plenty of games that show a large improvement with a 6870 even on that CPU, compared to say a 6770. Basically with too weak of a CPU(bottleneck) there will be times you will experience more drastic minimum FPS than you otherwise would in most games.

Personally I would get a decent(or even better than you need) graphics card for now and upgrade the CPU as soon as you can afford to.

Also if it is correct that your PSU is only 300 watts you will need to upgrade it as well, the 6870 uses about 250 watts by itself. Your processor probably doesn't need much but I'd bet it needs more than 50 watts.
April 6, 2012 6:16:11 AM

Gman450 said:
1) Bottleneck can be defined as a phenomenon in which either the GPU or the CPU is unable to transfer data at the same speeds as the former or the latter ( in tech terms).
For example, suppose you had a high end CPU, like a i5 2500k, and a relatively low end GPU, like a GT430. In such a case, the GT430 is unable to operate/ process data at the same speeds as the 2500k. Here, the GPU is the bottleneck.

And consider another example, in which we take yours for the time being,
You have the 4000+, and if you added a GTX680, the CPU is unable to process data at the same speeds as the 680. Here, the CPU is the bottleneck.


2) That resolution should be fine for a HD 6770 or a GTS450.


so basically you're telling me if i get:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I can play Skyrim lag-free?
April 6, 2012 6:20:04 AM

With any half decent video card you can play the game "lag free" assuming you set the settings low enough.
April 6, 2012 6:29:21 AM

Hey while I was thinking about it I found this card I put in my little brother's PC.

Only 60$ and your current power supply will be enough to power it. You won't have to upgrade other parts of the system! My brothers Dell 248 watt power supply was able to run this card no problem in addition to the power hungry processor it came with.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This link shows a comparison between the card I linked you to above ^ and the GTS 450 you were looking at. The 250 actually has more horsepower, just not as modern.
http://www.hwcompare.com/7778/geforce-gts-250-1gb-vs-ge...
April 6, 2012 7:07:11 AM

Gman450 said:
1) Bottleneck can be defined as a phenomenon in which either the GPU or the CPU is unable to transfer data at the same speeds as the former or the latter ( in tech terms).
For example, suppose you had a high end CPU, like a i5 2500k, and a relatively low end GPU, like a GT430. In such a case, the GT430 is unable to operate/ process data at the same speeds as the 2500k. Here, the GPU is the bottleneck.

And consider another example, in which we take yours for the time being,
You have the 4000+, and if you added a GTX680, the CPU is unable to process data at the same speeds as the 680. Here, the CPU is the bottleneck.


2) That resolution should be fine for a HD 6770 or a GTS450.


hey i was looking for CPUs to see if maybe there was one that was a good price and could work with the other things you showed me. Would this work?

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-G530-CACHE-Processor-BX8062...
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 1:51:03 PM

@OP
You'll have to change your motherboard to a LGA 1155 one to get that G530. But I'd suggest a better processor. An Intel Core i3
2100 should do well. However, you won't be able to overclock, and it only has got 2 cores.


Quote:
Only 60$ and your current power supply will be enough to power it. You won't have to upgrade other parts of the system! My brothers Dell 248 watt power supply was able to run this card no problem in addition to the power hungry processor it came with.

Dell PSUs are under rated. They normally perform really well. However, the OP's PSU is a Gateway 300W, which I see as only having 13A on it's +12v rail, which is quite low.
So I would recommend a PSU upgrade.
April 6, 2012 4:34:37 PM

Well that's good to know, so either way you'll at least need a better PSU to play Skyrim at a decent level of quality. That card I listed does use significantly less than the standard current draw for a GTS 250 because of its low profile design but it may still be too much for a 13A 12V rail.....

If you have the money for a better processor/motherboard too then of course that's going to improve your performance considerably. Don't forget if your upgrading these parts then you'll also need new RAM as well.

I mean if you listen to these guys(they will push performance on everyone) you will need to spend a minimum of 300$ to put this PC into gaming condition. 40$(PSU) + 120$(i3 CPU) 60$(decent motherboard) + 25$(4Gigs of RAM) + GPU(100$) = 345$

By the way that is basically an entirely new PC, except you'll be using your old case.....

I would personally suggest seriously considering whether you just want enough graphics to play Skyrim on your current PC(of course that will require a better power supply as well) or if you want to look into completely rebuilding your PC. Because the way this topic is going is straight from "I need a better graphics card" to "I guess I could build an entirely new PC"

For around 100$ you could get that graphics card I linked to on Newegg (= or better to the 450 GTS you originally had in mind) and a power supply good enough to run it with no problems with one single order from Newegg. This is not going to give you the VERY BEST performance you could possibly want from Skyrim, but if you want the VERY BEST performance you are going to be looking at 800$ in parts for an entirely new high end PC.

Granted for around 300-350$ you will be able to build a budget PC that will outperform what you have now (even if you upgraded the graphics.) If you have the money and energy for all that it is your best option.

In fact I myself am running a Pentium G850 processor(80$) with a 480GTX(200$) graphics card. 99% of the people on this forum would tell you that the G850 is not as good as the i3 and that the 480 GTX would bottleneck the G850.

I did some pretty extensive testing which showed otherwise. I went to Micro Center and bought an i5 2500k(very fast processor) clocked it up to 4.6 and loaded up all the games I benchmarked on the Pentium G850. Skyrim(purportedly one of the more CPU limited games) gained exactly 0 FPS improvement moving up from a G850 dual core at 2.9, to a i5 2500k quaq core at 4.6 GHZ. This shows that even though the game is known to be CPU limited, with a processor as cheap as the G850 it will still be GPU limited even with an overclocked high end graphics card like the 480 GTX. I run Skyrim with every setting pushed to maximum and I am almost always hitting the 60 FPS vsync at 1680x1050 resolution. The game is largely dependant on your graphics card(like most games) and the CPU is going to play a smaller part. Scenes with a lot going on (lots of shadows moving, lots of characters on the screen, lots of units on the battlefield) are going to depend a lot more on your CPU and in many gaming situations a better CPU will make a difference up to a point. I returned the i5 to Micro Center because even in my most CPU limited game(starcraft 2 once a couple thousand units get onto the screen in a custom game) it only took me from 5 FPS up to 7 FPS during these peak scenes.

The conclusion I came to is that the G850 is pretty much the most you will need with modern games, and even an i5 2500k is not going to make a huge difference unless you are going to be investing 500+ dollars just in graphics hardware.

Also another point of contention on this forum, I run my system with a MEASLY 4 GB of RAM, which people will argue all day is like such a tiny amount of ram you could hardly load windows. Frankly I can EASILY alt tab out of any game without crashing, I run my games at max settings, I always have open browsers running, and I still don't use up all my RAM.

Nothing wrong with going with the i3 but I feel like you were trying to game on a budget, and for 50% additional cost compared to the G850 the i3 is not in any way worth it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... = 87$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... = 65$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... = 23$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... = 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... = 60$

With a G850 based PC upgrade you would be looking at 275$ if you wanted the minimum that would really run Skyrim nicely at pretty high settings(probably max at 1440x900). Might even consider getting a cool looking case for 30-40$ more since you'd already be making a pretty big order from Newegg.
April 7, 2012 8:19:00 AM

I'm gonna be honest here, I've been reading these messages for about two days researching all the "tech talk" ,I guess you could call it, and I understand , most, of what ur all saying. BUT I still have no clue WTF to do!LOL If you could just flat out tell me what I need to play Skyrim on medium to high on my current computer. People are telling me about getting a new motherboard and new processor, and a new GPU and all this crazy stuff. All I wanted to know in the first place was what graphics card I need that fits in my budget. If I need to spend some extra to get one or two things thats fine but I wasn't looking to buy an entirely new computer, if wanted a new computer I would just go to Best Buy or something and just bought one. Not trying to be a dick but I was getting frustrated with the confusing responses that in the end lead me to,either nowhere, or just to a pile of burning money (my money to be exact). So if someone could just tell me what EXACTLY I need that would be great, thank you.
a c 290 U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 11:33:15 AM

I'd just go with Gman's suggestion and get Corsair CX430 and HD6770. Your skyrim experience will be good, you won't be able to max it, but you'll be able to play on medium-high settings.
a c 521 U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 11:45:57 AM

My 6850 Gigabyte has no issues running skyrim.I had the zotac 450 gts and this 6850 crushes it.
a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 5:13:14 PM

SR-71 Blackbird said:
My 6850 Gigabyte has no issues running skyrim.I had the zotac 450 gts and this 6850 crushes it.

+1 but the OP asked for max $150 and he needs to change psu too. Its kinda impossible 6850+PSU <$150.

Gman450 said:
@OP
Corsair CX430W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] ir%20CX430

HD 6770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814150540


+1 This should be a good combination
An other alternative good psu is Antec VP-450 450W $39.99 since corsair lately raised the price of CX430 by $5 :( .

edit: Your links are broken :D . But you probably saying about something like: ASUS EAH6770/DI/1GD5 Radeon HD 6770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 $109.99
April 7, 2012 8:44:18 PM

Thank you everyone for your help! most people are saying to go with Gmans's suggestion, so I'm gonna get what he told me to get and lets hope this works out. Again thank you to everyone that replied to my questions. I'm not going to close the forum just yet but if it works out and it going smoothly I'll let you guys know so I can look for some help. Again thank you all! :D  :D 
a b U Graphics card
April 8, 2012 4:31:14 AM

^+1
I'd still go with that corsair or Antec.
a c 521 U Graphics card
April 8, 2012 1:19:08 PM

^+2
I'd still go with that corsair or Antec.
April 26, 2012 3:36:16 AM

well my computer keeps freezing. I looked it up and people said it was registry errors so i ran a program to clean it up. Still freezes. Then one of my friends told me its probably my CPU going bad. Hes pretty good with computers, so I'm gonna trust hi. Problem is I dont know what to buy. Any suggestions that's around $100?
a b U Graphics card
April 26, 2012 11:14:37 PM

Can you give us details about your motherboard, so we can help you with what cpu to choose? (by the way, RAM is also low...)
April 27, 2012 10:27:43 PM

like what?
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