AMD HD 7770 vs. World of Warcraft

[Jim937]

Hi,

First let me say the Sapphire HD 7770 is running perfectly right out of the box. Yet it does not do as well in my game World of Warcraft compared to my 3 year old nVidia 9800GT I was getting 75FPS compared to only 60FPS that I get now with the HD7770.

Maybe it’s a VC setting that I have over looked???

I did 4 tests…#1 at Default for both the CPU & VC…#2 I OC’d the VC…#3 I open all 4 cores on the CPU + OC'd VC, note the drop in the score. Test #4 I OC’d the CPU from 3.1 to 3.3ghz + 4 cores + VC OC'd & got my best score.

3DMark11 4 Test results: P = Score OC’d = Overclocked

1) P2773: CPU 3.1ghz 2 Cores, VC 1000 core/1125 memory, These settings are all @ Default
2) P3023: CPU 3.1ghz 2 Cores, OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory
3) P2896: CPU 3.1ghz 4 Cores & OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory
4) P3515: OC’d CPU 3.3ghz 4 Cores OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory

After test #4...I tested my Game World of Warcraft...No Change with my graphics set on GOOD, I'm getting 15 to 25fps in Town. In the Field 60fps +/-

Futuremark average scores:
AMD Radeon HD 7770 P3290* [$160]
AMD Radeon HD 7850 P5540 [$260]
AMD Radeon HD 7870 P6790 [$360]

*P3290 is -73% less than best 3DMark11 graphics card score (P12300).

My 3 year old Build:

CASE: Antec 900

CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE Callisto 3.1GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 80W Dual-Core Processor - Retail [I can run all 4 cores]

MoBo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail Support AM3 Socket Phenom II DDR3 CPU Only

Mem: OCZ OCZ3P13334GK 4gb kit (2gb x 2) 1333mhz 7-7-7-20 240-pin ddr3 dimm w/heat spreader

VC: MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC V2 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI, Retail OC Edition overclocked to 660Mhz

PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

HD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" - OEM

DVDROM: Sony Optiarc Black 24X 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM

NIC Card: D-Link DGE-530T 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI Gigabit Desktop Adapter 1 x RJ45

Router: D-Link DIR-655 802.11b/g/n Xtreme N Gigabit Wireless Broadband Router up to 300Mbps/ USB port x1/ Intelligent QoS Technology for Gaming

MONITOR: Samsung 22" w/TV tuner

OS: Windows 7 Premium 64bit

 

[HugoStiglitz]

So what are your 3d Mark scores with the 9800 in vs the 7770

 

[rglaredo]

I think the 77's do not do as well as the 78XX. I read somewhere that they are slighly over 550ti's ..and under 560 ti's. something like that ..

 

[Ohmybad]

im going to guess it has something to do with going from 256-bit memory interface to 128-bit...

 

[Jim937]

So what are your 3d Mark scores with the 9800 in vs the 7770

Hi,

Good idea, I will need to install 3DMark6 to that test in order to compare.

WoW HD7770 Wins !!!

HD7770 = 16521 3DMark6
9800GT = 13695 3Dmark6

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[MMO Fan]

WoW is an Nvidia Optimized TWIMTBP game that's why even a lesser Nvidia card will do as good or even better than a superior Radeon card in that game.

 

[Jim937]

WoW is an Nvidia Optimized TWIMTBP game that's why even a lesser Nvidia card will do as good or even better than a superior Radeon card in that game.

Hi,

WoW, you learn something new every day. I preordered Diablo3 a RPG from Blizzard the same game maker as WoW...Ouch I might need to RMA HD7770.

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[MMO Fan]

Hi,

WoW, you learn something new every day. I preordered Diablo3 a RPG from Blizzard the same game maker as WoW...Ouch I might need to RMA HD7770.

Acronym Definition: TWIMTBP The Way It's Meant to Be Played (gaming)

UK TWIMTBP Games—

Your most important equipment for playing today's hottest games is not armor or weapons, but NVIDIA graphics hardware. Equip yourself with the power of NVIDIA processors so you can play games the way they're meant to be played.
What is TWIMTBP?

The Ultimate "Install and Play" Experience: With NVIDIA® hardware powering your PC, you can unleash stunning cinematic graphics and lifelike characters at blazing speeds. So, look for the "NVIDIA®: The way it's meant to be played" seal on games and PC hardware for the ultimate "install-and-play" experience.
The Hottest Games Developed and Optimized on NVIDIA: The performance, compatibility, and reliability of NVIDIA GPUs make them the platform of choice for PC gamers worldwide. That's why today's hottest games are developed on NVIDIA, to be played on NVIDIA.

The Choice of PC Gamers Worldwide: PC gamers worldwide choose NVIDIA GPUs to power their gameplay; shouldn't you?

http://www.nzone.ro/object/nzone_twimtbp_gameslist_uk.html

Ya Nvidia TWIMTBP "The Way It's Meant to Be Played" is mostly just marketing psychobabble and rhetoric but in WoW Nvidia does have a good performance lead so if you can you might want to pick up an Nvidia GTX 460 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130752 for around the same cash as what you paid for the 7770 pending if you can return the Radeon 7770 card or RMA it ect. Both cards are about the exact same performance but the GTX 460 1GB does much better in WoW than does the Radeon HD 7770. Make sure you get the (256bit GTX 460 1GB) version and not the 192bit version because the 192bit is much slower than the 256bit one. Its good to see some old blood gaming I hope to be gaming for many more years to come as well. Have fun in Azeroth ;-)

 

[Jim937]

Ya Nvidia TWIMTBP "The Way It's Meant to Be Played" is mostly just marketing psychobabble and rhetoric but in WoW Nvidia does have a good performance lead so if you can you might want to pick up an Nvidia GTX 460 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130752 for around the same cash as what you paid for the 7770 pending if you can return the Radeon 7770 card or RMA it ect. Both cards are about the exact same performance but the GTX 460 1GB does much better in WoW than does the Radeon HD 7770. Make sure you get the (256bit GTX 460 1GB) version and not the 192bit version because the 192bit is much slower than the 256bit one.

*Its good to see some old blood gaming I hope to be gaming for many more years to come as well. Have fun in Azeroth ;-)

Hi,

I'm only 70 years young, I will die while playing games @ my gaming rig...but not yet.

IF I go for the RMA I will make newegg happy & spend an extra $100 & get the: EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $204.99 after mail-in rebate card/free shipping...I'm open to suggestions here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604



Check out the Compare so many too choose from in the $225 to 270 price range. Also note the HD7770 LQQKS great in the chart.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001402%2040000048&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=48%7C14%2D102%2D967%5E14%2D102%2D967%2DTS%2C14%2D130%2D604%5E14%2D130%2D604%2DTS%2C14%2D130%2D610%5E14%2D130%2D610%2DTS%2C14%2D130%2D683%5E14%2D130%2D683%2DTS%2C14%2D130%2D738%5E14%2D130%2D738%2DTS

 

[MMO Fan]

Hi,

I'm only 70 years young, I will die while playing games @ my gaming rig...but not yet.

IF I go for the RMA I will make newegg happy & spend an extra $100 & get the: EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $204.99 after mail-in rebate card/free shipping...I'm open to suggestions here.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604



Check out the Compare so many too choose from in the $225 to 270 price range. Also note the HD7770 LQQKS great in the chart.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050001402%2040000048&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=48%7C14%2D102%2D967%5E14%2D102%2D967%2DTS%2C14%2D130%2D604%5E14%2D130%2D604%2DTS%2C14%2D130%2D610%5E14%2D130%2D610%2DTS%2C14%2D130%2D683%5E14%2D130%2D683%2DTS%2C14%2D130%2D738%5E14%2D130%2D738%2DTS

7770 is a great little card but it's priced a bit to high for it's performance level because for $160 you can get a Radeon HD 6870 which will wipe the floor with the Radeon 7770. The 560ti will be very good for WoW and every other game out today that you might want to give a go at some point in time. Here is the best 560ti on Newegg for the cheapest price http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121569 and here is the most expensive 560ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127608 both are the best 560ti cards for the money on Newegg.

 

[einterlan]

Its so simple, DX11 man, the 9800 run in DX9. better graphics of course you will get lower fps. But 7770 its WAY better than 9800gt old. And dont care 9800 was 256 bit. Because ¡ts an old tecnology, like a lot. Its like to compare the 285 against the new 680 448bit vs 256bit and you say WTF?

Of course new tech > old tech. 7770 just fine gpu for a low price. AND 1ghz clock, just great.

 

[MMO Fan]

Its so simple, DX11 man, the 9800 run in DX9. better graphics of course you will get lower fps. But 7770 its WAY better than 9800gt old. And dont care 9800 was 256 bit. Because ¡ts an old tecnology, like a lot. Its like to compare the 285 against the new 680 448bit vs 256bit and you say WTF?

Of course new tech > old tech. 7770 just fine gpu for a low price. AND 1ghz clock, just great.

WoW will run better on any Nvidia card period. 7770 is about = in performance to a GTX 460 1GB and 7770 will still get beat by even a 9800 GTX + in WoW because WOW just loves Nvidia cards period.

 

[photonboy]

re: DX11
World of Warcraft added DX11 code. It's NOT for better visuals, it's solely for better performance.

World of Warcraft will run nicely on an HD7770. You should keep it.

Optimizing:
1) make sure DX11 is selected for WOW

2) run the game with VSYNC disabled and FRAPS running to view the frame rate

3) adjust your visual quality (AA, shadows etc) until you are getting about 65 to 70FPS

4) then turn ON VSYNC

You ideally want the game to run at 60FPS VSYNC'd. You want the game to run a little higher than 60FPS so it isn't dropping below 60FPS and causing stuttering.

 

[photonboy]

FYI:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7770-7750-benchmark,3135-10.html

(I wouldn't go above 1600x900 with the HD7770. Either 2x or 4xAA.)

 

[MMO Fan]

re: DX11
World of Warcraft added DX11 code. It's NOT for better visuals, it's solely for better performance.

World of Warcraft will run nicely on an HD7770. You should keep it.

Optimizing:
1) make sure DX11 is selected for WOW

2) run the game with VSYNC disabled and FRAPS running to view the frame rate

3) adjust your visual quality (AA, shadows etc) until you are getting about 65 to 70FPS

4) then turn ON VSYNC

You ideally want the game to run at 60FPS VSYNC'd. You want the game to run a little higher than 60FPS so it isn't dropping below 60FPS and causing stuttering.

IMO WoW has no DX11 effects AT ALL I think it was more or less along the lines of "How about we don't and say we did" type of thing on Blizzards end. But WoW does look much better since Cata but in a DX9 way.

 

[secolliyn]

I would like to pint out Vsync at 60 FPS and also the fact that monitors have their own refresh rate usually around 60Hz (60FPS) so anything any card is producing over 60 FPS is being thrown out the window anyway.....

 

[Jim937]

Hi,

I will try to adjust the settings in the game to get a steady 60fps.

They say a picture is worth a 1000 words.

 

[frombehind]

WoW has been for a very long time, and (all Blizz games in fact) are optimized for nVIDIA.

Pisses me off so much, that while AMD beats their head against the drawing board, trying to design better hardware. Nvidia runs around, plays politics and basically bribes game makers to offer better driver integration with their cards.

 

[Jim937]

WoW has been for a very long time, and (all Blizz games in fact) are optimized for nVIDIA.

Pisses me off so much, that while AMD beats their head against the drawing board, trying to design better hardware. Nvidia runs around, plays politics and basically bribes game makers to offer better driver integration with their cards.

Hi,

Yes I read that at Blizzard after I purchased my HD7770.

This SS is after I set the Graphic options to the in game Recommended setting...40fps @2pm not even Prime server time [5pm PDT].

Direct link to my Photos:
http://s727.photobucket.com/albums/ww279/Jim937/COMPUTER/

 

[esrever]

try running 3dmark11.

 

[Jim937]

try running 3dmark11.

Hi,

Look at my OP above.


3DMark11 4 Test results: P = Score OC’d = Overclocked

1) P2773: CPU 3.1ghz 2 Cores, VC 1000 core/1125 memory, These settings are all @ Default

2) P3023: CPU 3.1ghz 2 Cores, OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory

3) P2896: CPU 3.1ghz 4 Cores & OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory

4) P3515: OC’d CPU 3.3ghz 4 Cores OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory ALL OC'd

 

[esrever]

whats your graphics score?

 

[Jim937]

whats your graphics score?

Hi,

My highest 3DMark11 score so far P3551.

Detailed graphics scores:

Now what can I OC a bit more and stay stable?

CPU: to 3.4ghz [Stock HS] Do I need to adjust the CPU voltage when I increase the Multiplyer?

VC: not sure how to OC in the correct increments. I'm using the same numbers as the Factory OC VC. 1125 core/1250mem. Do I need to adjust the VC voltage when I OC it?

 

[esrever]

the scores are pretty normal.

for the gpu, you don't need to change voltage and you should be able to hit 1150 core and 1400 memory stable, maybe higher. you should OC the memory a bit as these cards scale well with memory speed increase.

For your cpu, I would imagine you should just leave the voltage at auto for now and try to bump it up 100 mhz at a time. 3.4 seems pretty good but you might be able to hit 3.6 stable with about 1.425v don't go higher than that tho.

 

[ohyouknow]

I believe you stated earlier that you could get a 560 TI and be able to RMA the 7770. I'd suggest you go ahead and go that route and enjoy your gaming since you're going to be playing blizzard games currently and in the future once diablo comes out. Might as well go the nvidia route, Cheers and good luck.