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AMD HD 7770 vs. World of Warcraft

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April 5, 2012 3:42:16 AM

Hi, :hello: 

First let me say the Sapphire HD 7770 is running perfectly right out of the box. Yet it does not do as well in my game World of Warcraft compared to my 3 year old nVidia 9800GT I was getting 75FPS compared to only 60FPS that I get now with the HD7770.

Maybe it’s a VC setting that I have over looked???

I did 4 tests…#1 at Default for both the CPU & VC…#2 I OC’d the VC…#3 I open all 4 cores on the CPU + OC'd VC, note the drop in the score. Test #4 I OC’d the CPU from 3.1 to 3.3ghz + 4 cores + VC OC'd & got my best score.

3DMark11 4 Test results: P = Score OC’d = Overclocked

1) P2773: CPU 3.1ghz 2 Cores, VC 1000 core/1125 memory, These settings are all @ Default
2) P3023: CPU 3.1ghz 2 Cores, OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory
3) P2896: CPU 3.1ghz 4 Cores & OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory
4) P3515: OC’d CPU 3.3ghz 4 Cores OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory

After test #4...I tested my Game World of Warcraft...No Change with my graphics set on GOOD, I'm getting 15 to 25fps in Town. In the Field 60fps +/-

Futuremark average scores:
AMD Radeon HD 7770 P3290* [$160]
AMD Radeon HD 7850 P5540 [$260]
AMD Radeon HD 7870 P6790 [$360]

*P3290 is -73% less than best 3DMark11 graphics card score (P12300).

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My 3 year old Build:

CASE: Antec 900

CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE Callisto 3.1GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 80W Dual-Core Processor - Retail [I can run all 4 cores]

MoBo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail Support AM3 Socket Phenom II DDR3 CPU Only

Mem: OCZ OCZ3P13334GK 4gb kit (2gb x 2) 1333mhz 7-7-7-20 240-pin ddr3 dimm w/heat spreader

VC: MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC V2 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI, Retail OC Edition overclocked to 660Mhz

PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail

HD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" - OEM

DVDROM: Sony Optiarc Black 24X 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM

NIC Card: D-Link DGE-530T 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI Gigabit Desktop Adapter 1 x RJ45

Router: D-Link DIR-655 802.11b/g/n Xtreme N Gigabit Wireless Broadband Router up to 300Mbps/ USB port x1/ Intelligent QoS Technology for Gaming

MONITOR: Samsung 22" w/TV tuner

OS: Windows 7 Premium 64bit
a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 4:12:36 AM

So what are your 3d Mark scores with the 9800 in vs the 7770
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April 5, 2012 4:30:34 AM

I think the 77's do not do as well as the 78XX. I read somewhere that they are slighly over 550ti's ..and under 560 ti's. something like that ..
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a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 4:37:53 AM

im going to guess it has something to do with going from 256-bit memory interface to 128-bit...
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April 5, 2012 5:44:11 AM

WoW is an Nvidia Optimized TWIMTBP game that's why even a lesser Nvidia card will do as good or even better than a superior Radeon card in that game.
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April 5, 2012 1:42:39 PM

MMO Fan said:
WoW is an Nvidia Optimized TWIMTBP game that's why even a lesser Nvidia card will do as good or even better than a superior Radeon card in that game.


Hi, :hello: 

WoW, you learn something new every day. I preordered Diablo3 a RPG from Blizzard the same game maker as WoW...Ouch I might need to RMA HD7770. :( 

Acronym Definition: TWIMTBP The Way It's Meant to Be Played (gaming)

UK TWIMTBP Games—

Your most important equipment for playing today's hottest games is not armor or weapons, but NVIDIA graphics hardware. Equip yourself with the power of NVIDIA processors so you can play games the way they're meant to be played.
What is TWIMTBP?

The Ultimate "Install and Play" Experience: With NVIDIA® hardware powering your PC, you can unleash stunning cinematic graphics and lifelike characters at blazing speeds. So, look for the "NVIDIA®: The way it's meant to be played" seal on games and PC hardware for the ultimate "install-and-play" experience.
The Hottest Games Developed and Optimized on NVIDIA: The performance, compatibility, and reliability of NVIDIA GPUs make them the platform of choice for PC gamers worldwide. That's why today's hottest games are developed on NVIDIA, to be played on NVIDIA.

The Choice of PC Gamers Worldwide: PC gamers worldwide choose NVIDIA GPUs to power their gameplay; shouldn't you?

http://www.nzone.ro/object/nzone_twimtbp_gameslist_uk.h...
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April 5, 2012 2:11:20 PM

Jim937 said:
Hi, :hello: 

WoW, you learn something new every day. I preordered Diablo3 a RPG from Blizzard the same game maker as WoW...Ouch I might need to RMA HD7770. :( 

Acronym Definition: TWIMTBP The Way It's Meant to Be Played (gaming)

UK TWIMTBP Games—

Your most important equipment for playing today's hottest games is not armor or weapons, but NVIDIA graphics hardware. Equip yourself with the power of NVIDIA processors so you can play games the way they're meant to be played.
What is TWIMTBP?

The Ultimate "Install and Play" Experience: With NVIDIA® hardware powering your PC, you can unleash stunning cinematic graphics and lifelike characters at blazing speeds. So, look for the "NVIDIA®: The way it's meant to be played" seal on games and PC hardware for the ultimate "install-and-play" experience.
The Hottest Games Developed and Optimized on NVIDIA: The performance, compatibility, and reliability of NVIDIA GPUs make them the platform of choice for PC gamers worldwide. That's why today's hottest games are developed on NVIDIA, to be played on NVIDIA.

The Choice of PC Gamers Worldwide: PC gamers worldwide choose NVIDIA GPUs to power their gameplay; shouldn't you?

http://www.nzone.ro/object/nzone_twimtbp_gameslist_uk.h...

Ya Nvidia TWIMTBP "The Way It's Meant to Be Played" is mostly just marketing psychobabble and rhetoric but in WoW Nvidia does have a good performance lead so if you can you might want to pick up an Nvidia GTX 460 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for around the same cash as what you paid for the 7770 pending if you can return the Radeon 7770 card or RMA it ect. Both cards are about the exact same performance but the GTX 460 1GB does much better in WoW than does the Radeon HD 7770. Make sure you get the (256bit GTX 460 1GB) version and not the 192bit version because the 192bit is much slower than the 256bit one. Its good to see some old blood gaming I hope to be gaming for many more years to come as well. Have fun in Azeroth ;-)
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April 5, 2012 3:07:03 PM

MMO Fan said:
Ya Nvidia TWIMTBP "The Way It's Meant to Be Played" is mostly just marketing psychobabble and rhetoric but in WoW Nvidia does have a good performance lead so if you can you might want to pick up an Nvidia GTX 460 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for around the same cash as what you paid for the 7770 pending if you can return the Radeon 7770 card or RMA it ect. Both cards are about the exact same performance but the GTX 460 1GB does much better in WoW than does the Radeon HD 7770. Make sure you get the (256bit GTX 460 1GB) version and not the 192bit version because the 192bit is much slower than the 256bit one.

*Its good to see some old blood gaming I hope to be gaming for many more years to come as well. Have fun in Azeroth ;-)


Hi, :hello: 

I'm only 70 years young, I will die while playing games @ my gaming rig...but not yet.

IF I go for the RMA I will make newegg happy & spend an extra $100 & get the: EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $204.99 after mail-in rebate card/free shipping...I'm open to suggestions here. :) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Check out the Compare so many too choose from in the $225 to 270 price range. Also note the HD7770 LQQKS great in the chart. :o 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...
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April 5, 2012 3:25:54 PM

Jim937 said:
Hi, :hello: 

I'm only 70 years young, I will die while playing games @ my gaming rig...but not yet.

IF I go for the RMA I will make newegg happy & spend an extra $100 & get the: EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $204.99 after mail-in rebate card/free shipping...I'm open to suggestions here. :) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Check out the Compare so many too choose from in the $225 to 270 price range. Also note the HD7770 LQQKS great in the chart. :o 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

7770 is a great little card but it's priced a bit to high for it's performance level because for $160 you can get a Radeon HD 6870 which will wipe the floor with the Radeon 7770. The 560ti will be very good for WoW and every other game out today that you might want to give a go at some point in time. Here is the best 560ti on Newegg for the cheapest price http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and here is the most expensive 560ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... both are the best 560ti cards for the money on Newegg.
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April 5, 2012 4:05:23 PM

Its so simple, DX11 man, the 9800 run in DX9. better graphics of course you will get lower fps. But 7770 its WAY better than 9800gt old. And dont care 9800 was 256 bit. Because ¡ts an old tecnology, like a lot. Its like to compare the 285 against the new 680 448bit vs 256bit and you say WTF?

Of course new tech > old tech. 7770 just fine gpu for a low price. AND 1ghz clock, just great.
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April 5, 2012 5:23:15 PM

einterlan said:
Its so simple, DX11 man, the 9800 run in DX9. better graphics of course you will get lower fps. But 7770 its WAY better than 9800gt old. And dont care 9800 was 256 bit. Because ¡ts an old tecnology, like a lot. Its like to compare the 285 against the new 680 448bit vs 256bit and you say WTF?

Of course new tech > old tech. 7770 just fine gpu for a low price. AND 1ghz clock, just great.

WoW will run better on any Nvidia card period. 7770 is about = in performance to a GTX 460 1GB and 7770 will still get beat by even a 9800 GTX + in WoW because WOW just loves Nvidia cards period.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 5:41:27 PM

re: DX11
World of Warcraft added DX11 code. It's NOT for better visuals, it's solely for better performance.

World of Warcraft will run nicely on an HD7770. You should keep it.

Optimizing:
1) make sure DX11 is selected for WOW

2) run the game with VSYNC disabled and FRAPS running to view the frame rate

3) adjust your visual quality (AA, shadows etc) until you are getting about 65 to 70FPS

4) then turn ON VSYNC

You ideally want the game to run at 60FPS VSYNC'd. You want the game to run a little higher than 60FPS so it isn't dropping below 60FPS and causing stuttering.
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April 5, 2012 5:55:25 PM

photonboy said:
re: DX11
World of Warcraft added DX11 code. It's NOT for better visuals, it's solely for better performance.

World of Warcraft will run nicely on an HD7770. You should keep it.

Optimizing:
1) make sure DX11 is selected for WOW

2) run the game with VSYNC disabled and FRAPS running to view the frame rate

3) adjust your visual quality (AA, shadows etc) until you are getting about 65 to 70FPS

4) then turn ON VSYNC

You ideally want the game to run at 60FPS VSYNC'd. You want the game to run a little higher than 60FPS so it isn't dropping below 60FPS and causing stuttering.

IMO WoW has no DX11 effects AT ALL I think it was more or less along the lines of "How about we don't and say we did" type of thing on Blizzards end. But WoW does look much better since Cata but in a DX9 way.
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April 5, 2012 6:06:15 PM

I would like to pint out Vsync at 60 FPS and also the fact that monitors have their own refresh rate usually around 60Hz (60FPS) so anything any card is producing over 60 FPS is being thrown out the window anyway.....
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April 5, 2012 9:20:34 PM

Hi, :hello: 

I will try to adjust the settings in the game to get a steady 60fps.

They say a picture is worth a 1000 words.



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a b U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 9:32:27 PM

WoW has been for a very long time, and (all Blizz games in fact) are optimized for nVIDIA.

Pisses me off so much, that while AMD beats their head against the drawing board, trying to design better hardware. Nvidia runs around, plays politics and basically bribes game makers to offer better driver integration with their cards.
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April 5, 2012 9:51:51 PM

frombehind said:
WoW has been for a very long time, and (all Blizz games in fact) are optimized for nVIDIA.

Pisses me off so much, that while AMD beats their head against the drawing board, trying to design better hardware. Nvidia runs around, plays politics and basically bribes game makers to offer better driver integration with their cards.


Hi, :hello: 

Yes I read that at Blizzard after I purchased my HD7770.

This SS is after I set the Graphic options to the in game Recommended setting...40fps @2pm not even Prime server time [5pm PDT]. :( 



Direct link to my Photos:
http://s727.photobucket.com/albums/ww279/Jim937/COMPUTE...
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a c 92 U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 9:54:47 PM

try running 3dmark11.
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April 5, 2012 11:23:31 PM

esrever said:
try running 3dmark11.

Hi, :hello: 

Look at my OP above. :o 


3DMark11 4 Test results: P = Score OC’d = Overclocked

1) P2773: CPU 3.1ghz 2 Cores, VC 1000 core/1125 memory, These settings are all @ Default

2) P3023: CPU 3.1ghz 2 Cores, OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory

3) P2896: CPU 3.1ghz 4 Cores & OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory

4) P3515: OC’d CPU 3.3ghz 4 Cores OC’d VC 1150 core/1250memory ALL OC'd
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a c 92 U Graphics card
April 5, 2012 11:44:21 PM

whats your graphics score?
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April 6, 2012 12:25:58 AM

esrever said:
whats your graphics score?

Hi, :hello: 

My highest 3DMark11 score so far P3551.

Detailed graphics scores:


Now what can I OC a bit more and stay stable?

CPU: to 3.4ghz [Stock HS] Do I need to adjust the CPU voltage when I increase the Multiplyer?

VC: not sure how to OC in the correct increments. I'm using the same numbers as the Factory OC VC. 1125 core/1250mem. Do I need to adjust the VC voltage when I OC it?
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a c 92 U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 12:42:04 AM

the scores are pretty normal.

for the gpu, you don't need to change voltage and you should be able to hit 1150 core and 1400 memory stable, maybe higher. you should OC the memory a bit as these cards scale well with memory speed increase.

For your cpu, I would imagine you should just leave the voltage at auto for now and try to bump it up 100 mhz at a time. 3.4 seems pretty good but you might be able to hit 3.6 stable with about 1.425v don't go higher than that tho.
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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 12:44:10 AM

I believe you stated earlier that you could get a 560 TI and be able to RMA the 7770. I'd suggest you go ahead and go that route and enjoy your gaming since you're going to be playing blizzard games currently and in the future once diablo comes out. Might as well go the nvidia route, Cheers and good luck.
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April 6, 2012 1:28:34 AM

I have a GTX 560 Ti 2GB at the moment, EVGA brand, I can and do play BF3 @ 40-35FPS at absolute ultra settings. No offense, but WoW is NOT! graphics intensive at the least amount, thus this card will serve you amazingly, and has great cooling/overclockability. :) 
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April 6, 2012 4:06:51 AM

ttg_Avenged said:
I have a GTX 560 Ti 2GB at the moment, EVGA brand, I can and do play BF3 @ 40-35FPS at absolute ultra settings. No offense, but WoW is NOT! graphics intensive at the least amount, thus this card will serve you amazingly, and has great cooling/overclockability. :) 

You would be surprised about how much hardware WoW takes to run full time @ 60fps min it's no longer like back in the day of Vanilla WoW were an 8400GS could max it out. Even my GTX 275 kinda struggles in Stormwind with mid 40s fps when there are many Players on the screen at once like by the AH and Bank and I even have to turn down shadows from Ultra to high otherwise it goes to around 30fps.
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April 6, 2012 2:31:46 PM

ohyouknow said:
I believe you stated earlier that you could get a 560 TI and be able to RMA the 7770. I'd suggest you go ahead and go that route and enjoy your gaming since you're going to be playing blizzard games currently and in the future once diablo comes out. Might as well go the nvidia route, Cheers and good luck.

Hi, :hello: 

Very good point, that might cost me $24 for a restock fee because the VC does work perfectly. My fear is that Diablo3 might not do as well as WoW.

7 years ago when I did my first build I did a RMA with Newegg, I called them to explain & they did not charge me, I also ordered the new item @ the higher price.

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May I exchange my RMA'd item for a different product?

No. Unfortunately, we do not exchange RMA items for different items. We will only replace an RMA'd item with a an identical replacement item of the same make and model.

If the return policy period for a refund has not yet expired, you can request an RMA Refund, order a new item, and we'll refund your original purchase after we receive your returned product.

Any return for a refund may be subject to a 15% restocking fee. This fee may be waived for the following reasons:
•Carrier damage
•Defective product
•Product does not match advertising
•Received incorrect product
•Product was an extra item not ordered
Note: Any return that is misrepresented as being for any of the above reasons will automatically have the restocking fee applied even if it was initially waived.
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April 6, 2012 3:00:48 PM

Jim937 said:
Hi, :hello: 

Very good point, that might cost me $24 for a restock fee because the VC does work perfectly. My fear is that Diablo3 might not do as well as WoW.

7 years ago when I did my first build I did a RMA with Newegg, I called them to explain & they did not charge me, I also ordered the new item @ the higher price.

Quote:

May I exchange my RMA'd item for a different product?

No. Unfortunately, we do not exchange RMA items for different items. We will only replace an RMA'd item with a an identical replacement item of the same make and model.

If the return policy period for a refund has not yet expired, you can request an RMA Refund, order a new item, and we'll refund your original purchase after we receive your returned product.

Any return for a refund may be subject to a 15% restocking fee. This fee may be waived for the following reasons:
•Carrier damage
•Defective product
•Product does not match advertising
•Received incorrect product
•Product was an extra item not ordered
Note: Any return that is misrepresented as being for any of the above reasons will automatically have the restocking fee applied even if it was initially waived.

Keep us updated on how you make out with the RMA and when you get your new card how it works out. All the best .
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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 3:49:15 PM

Well according to newegg it has the standard vga return policy so you should be fine. Is the card still within 30 days and do you fit the other standard return policy criteria?

It will most likely be a return>refund>buy new card which will net you a loss of some money and a long turn around from initial return to getting a new card. Inconvenient but I believe it would be worth it.
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April 7, 2012 4:03:37 AM

Hi, :hello: 

Thank you All for your help & advice. I'm in a state of, of, of...What to do, a RMA for a return an eat the loss [$24] seems like the right thing to do. I weighed all the facts yet I hesitate an I don't know why. Purchase date is 03/27/2012, tick tock. I really like the HD 7770 it works perfectly. :love: 

I've made 152 j/k in game adjustments using all the above suggestions, I'm running a steady 60fps +/- in an unpopulated area, 40-60fps in solo battle & 20-40 in Stormwind a town during peak server hours. I will continue to tweak & level up my toon at the same time. I will know for sure by Monday what to do.

Also lets consider this almost 3 year old build, it was a Mid range build, now it's a Low range build that could use a new CPU. I was hoping this build would last 4 years minium but the games are catching up to the hardware. A new VC should add 2-3 years till my next build.

Here is my compare chart @ Newegg for a GTX 560 Ti [Fermi] 1G & 2G wide open to suggestions:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

This looks extra nice for my current build with alittle future proofing.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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April 19, 2012 3:38:01 PM

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My 3 year old Build:

CASE: Antec 900
CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE Callisto 3.1GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 80W Dual-Core Processor - [OC @ 3.3 & running all 4 cores]
MoBo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail Support AM3 Socket Phenom II DDR3 CPU Only
Mem: OCZ OCZ3P13334GK 4gb kit (2gb x 2) 1333mhz 7-7-7-20 240-pin ddr3 dimm w/heat spreader
VC: MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC V2 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI, Retail OC Edition overclocked to 660Mhz
PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
HD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" - OEM
DVDROM: Sony Optiarc Black 24X 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM
NIC Card: D-Link DGE-530T 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI Gigabit Desktop Adapter 1 x RJ45
Router: D-Link DIR-655 802.11b/g/n Xtreme N Gigabit Wireless Broadband Router up to 300Mbps/ USB port x1/ Intelligent QoS Technology for Gaming
MONITOR: Samsung 22" w/TV tuner 1680x1050
OS: Windows 7 Premium 64bit

Hi, :hello: 

I have my RMA from newegg. I will buy a new nVidia VC. Please make all recommendations base on the above Hardware. The EVGA GTX 560 ti looks good since I will be upgrading the CPU in a year. Is there enought gain in having a 2G mem compared to 1G VC for $55 more to play games?

Budget: $200 - $250 +/-

First choice: EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $204.00 :) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is my Compare List at newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

note: The MSI OC VC is a bit long...but it will fit in my Antec 900 case...I can OC it myself.
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April 19, 2012 4:17:33 PM

Jim937 said:
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My 3 year old Build:

CASE: Antec 900
CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 550 BE Callisto 3.1GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 80W Dual-Core Processor - [OC @ 3.3 & running all 4 cores]
MoBo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790XT-UD4P AM3 DDR3 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail Support AM3 Socket Phenom II DDR3 CPU Only
Mem: OCZ OCZ3P13334GK 4gb kit (2gb x 2) 1333mhz 7-7-7-20 240-pin ddr3 dimm w/heat spreader
VC: MSI N9800GT-T2D512-OC V2 GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI, Retail OC Edition overclocked to 660Mhz
PSU: OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
HD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" - OEM
DVDROM: Sony Optiarc Black 24X 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM
NIC Card: D-Link DGE-530T 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI Gigabit Desktop Adapter 1 x RJ45
Router: D-Link DIR-655 802.11b/g/n Xtreme N Gigabit Wireless Broadband Router up to 300Mbps/ USB port x1/ Intelligent QoS Technology for Gaming
MONITOR: Samsung 22" w/TV tuner 1680x1050
OS: Windows 7 Premium 64bit

Hi, :hello: 

I have my RMA from newegg. I will buy a new nVidia VC. Please make all recommendations base on the above Hardware. The EVGA GTX 560 ti looks good since I will be upgrading the CPU in a year. Is there enought gain in having a 2G mem compared to 1G VC for $55 more to play games?

Budget: $200 - $250 +/-

First choice: EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $204.00 :) 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is my Compare List at newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

note: The MSI OC VC is a bit long...but it will fit in my Antec 900 case...I can OC it myself.

It seems none of us asked what resolution you are using. 2g of Vram is most certainly a wast of money for 1080P resolution and under because it will never get used in WoW not even close 1gb is more than enough for 1680x1050 22" resolution so save you money. The 560ti is a good card but you could even save a bit more and go down to a GTX 560 non ti model and be just as well.
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April 19, 2012 4:50:55 PM

MMO Fan said:
It seems none of us asked what resolution you are using. 2g of Vram is most certainly a wast of money for 1080P resolution and under because it will never get used in WoW not even close 1gb is more than enough for 1680x1050 22" resolution so save you money. The 560ti is a good card but you could even save a bit more and go down to a GTX 560 non ti model and be just as well.

Hi, :hello: 

When I researched the GTX 560ti I read the the "ti" ment 2nd generation is this correct? The GTX 560 non :it" will save me $50*...wow Thank you.

First choice, as always open to suggestions. :) 

EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
***$159.99 after mail-in rebate card & Free shipping !
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Edit: RMA Type: Refund...Restocking Fee: $0 <....Awesome it was worth thephone call. :love: 
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April 19, 2012 5:11:05 PM

Jim937 said:
Hi, :hello: 

When I researched the GTX 560ti I read the the "ti" ment 2nd generation is this correct? The GTX 560 non :it" will save me $50*...wow Thank you.

First choice, as always open to suggestions. :) 

EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
***$159.99 after mail-in rebate card & Free shipping !
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Edit: RMA Type: Refund...Restocking Fee: $0 <....Awesome it was worth thephone call. :love: 

Yup I would even go with this one it is $20 cheaper and the same card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... but both are same MIR price. The Ti stands for Titanium which is an old acronym they used on some of there older card like from 05 as a homage type thing. The GTX 560 non Ti will play WoW maxed out no problems so there really is no need to spend more on the Ti version. Plus EVGA has now changed there policy and is now extending there minimum Warranty across all there products to Three years.
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April 19, 2012 5:29:38 PM

MMO Fan said:
Yup I would even go with this one it is $20 cheaper and the same card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... but both are same MIR price. The Ti stands for Titanium which is an old acronym they used on some of there older card like from 05 as a homage type thing. The GTX 560 non Ti will play WoW maxed out no problems so there really is no need to spend more on the Ti version. Plus EVGA has now changed there policy and is now extending there minimum Warranty across all there products to Three years.

Hi, :hello: 

Since both VC's are equal I will go with my first choice with Free $hipping.

Thank you MMO I apperciate all your help, as well as everyone else here @ TH. :love: 
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April 19, 2012 5:30:11 PM

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April 19, 2012 8:03:55 PM

I would second the suggestions for the 560 Ti. It's a very capable card, one which can be had for a relatively low price. To me, this card is the one to get: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $20 off with promo, an additional $25 off with rebate. $175 for a GTX 560 ti is one hell of a deal.
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April 19, 2012 8:22:02 PM

striker410 said:
I would second the suggestions for the 560 Ti. It's a very capable card, one which can be had for a relatively low price. To me, this card is the one to get: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $20 off with promo, an additional $25 off with rebate. $175 for a GTX 560 ti is one hell of a deal.

OP doesn't need a 560ti to max out WoW the GTX 560 non ti will max out WoW at 60fps min without issues plus Galaxy is an off brand and just cant even come close to the quality of EVGA and there Warranty. Ones things for sure is the up front cost is for real rebates are not thats why they are jankey and I don't mess with them.
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April 19, 2012 8:27:03 PM

MMO Fan said:
OP doesn't need a 560ti to max out WoW the GTX 560 non ti will max out WoW at 60fps min without issues plus Galaxy is an off brand and just cant even come close to the quality of EVGA and there Warranty. Ones things for sure is the up front cost is for real rebates are not thats why they are jankey and I don't mess with them.

Thanks for your opinion. Galaxy isn't a premium brand but they are just fine. And I said that it had a $20 off promo, did I not?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-...

Really that 7770 should have been running better. Even a GTX 460 could max this game.
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April 19, 2012 8:33:10 PM

striker410 said:
Thanks for your opinion. Galaxy isn't a premium brand but they are just fine. And I said that it had a $20 off promo, did I not?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-...

Really that 7770 should have been running better. Even a GTX 460 could max this game.

This was already gone over but I will again Radeon cards get performance gouged in WoW and all Blizzard games a GTX 460 is a far better option to run WoW than is a Radeon 7770.
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April 19, 2012 10:05:39 PM

Hi, :hello: 

I'm going to pull the HD7770 & reinstall the N9800GT & run tests with 3DMark11. give me a few hours.
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April 20, 2012 2:52:00 AM

Jim937 said:
Hi, :hello: 

I'm going to pull the HD7770 & reinstall the N9800GT & run tests with 3DMark11. give me a few hours.

Hi, :hello: 

Since the GeForce 9800GT is DX10 all tests were done with 3DMark6, URL to view results:
http://3dmark.com/3dm06/16610622

Results for the 9800GT are the same as 2 years ago:


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April 20, 2012 3:21:06 AM

I feel like it should be much higher. Not sure, though.
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April 20, 2012 10:31:22 AM

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