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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 2:39:08 AM

Will i be better off with this Gigabyte 560 non-Ti Super Clocked to 900 Mhz or the Sapphire 7850 non-OC Edition?

http://www.scorptec.com.au/computer/42375-gv-n56gso-1gi

The 560 sells for $199 and includes a free Battlefield 3 coupon, which is the primary game that i will be getting, while the 7850 is $270 and DOESN'T come with BF3.

I will be playing at 1080p at High settings, since the quality of Ultra settings doesn't justify its compromise on fps. I know the 560 seems better value, and that the performance in battlefield 3 is a mere 2 fps differnce according to Anandtech GPU Benchmarks, but will the 7850 justify itself by being a bit more future-proof?
I will also be playing Crysis 2 the same settings, and Anandtech shows that the fps difference is quite larger in this game.

what do you guys think?

Regards, ;) 
a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 4:08:41 AM

The 560 is certainly a better "value". However when you consider that the price difference is ~$100 you have to remember that there is going to be a gap. A 7850 can easily reach high clocks and higher FPS.

If it was a 560 Ti, I would say go Ti because of bundled BF3. The performance difference is pretty big between the 7850 and 560 though. What does the rest of your build look like?
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a c 175 U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 4:21:01 AM

The GTX 560 Non-ti can't be compared to 7850, 7850 is more comparable to 6970/GTX 570. I think it's worth it to get the 7850 over the GTX 560 non-ti, but if you consider yourself saving money,get the GTX 560 non-ti.
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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 5:04:40 AM

^^ +1

That's two tiers of graphics cards better + much better overclocking potential. The HD7850 is definitely worth the extra ~$80.
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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 5:22:51 AM

If your budget allows it, go for the HD7850, it is much better then the gtx560, and as someone mentioned before, if it where a 560ti, this would be different, but the HD7850 is better then the 570, which is much above the 560. No matter how high you will be able to get the clocks on the 560 it will be no match for the hd7850. Go for the hd7870, and enjoy. If you overclock the 7850 you will be able to get to the performance of a gtx580, which not until a few months ago was the best single GPU card out there.

Hope this helps
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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 8:39:51 AM

Hey thanks guys :) 
The rest of the build do you ask? Well,

ASUS P8Z68-V-LX or Asus P8Z77-M (the latter being compatible, right?)
Corsair 8gb 1333mhz
Seagate Barracuda 500gb 7200.12
NZXT Source 210 Elite
LG 21.5" IP-S monitor
LG DVD Burner 24x
Windows 7

A quick comparison from Anandtech GPU12 Bench reveals that the 7850 only has a mere 1.9 fps (lol) over the 560 non-Ti in Battlefield 3@ 1080p Ultra settings. I say this because this will be my primary game that i will play. Sure, 7850 is much better in other games and is more future-proof, however the total price of 7850 ($270) + BF3 ($65)=$335 opposed to the 560 with BF3 @$199. Keep in mind the $135 extra gives only a 2 fps boost.

I could get a Gainward 560 Ti 1gb Phantom for $230, however it does not come with any such bundle as the Gigabyte 560. It does give however a better fps in Battlefield 3 compared to 7850, around 4fps. Would this be better value, or is it better to just spend that extra $40 to get the 7850?

I am kind of confused...i need you guys to help me out. By the way, my budget is $1200 for the system (computer, monitor and OS). this does not include BF3 however if someone can suggest better alternatives then that would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, :) 
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a c 175 U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 9:44:12 AM



Should be something wrong with Anandtech, the 7850 in tom's hardware is much faster than GTX 560 ti, not talking about GTX 560. And this is not the proper performance I think, this were recorded before the proper 12.3 driver. This card actually suppose to be better than 6950 in bf3.
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April 6, 2012 10:34:31 AM

The OC capability, along with the native performance of the 7850 does actually make it a lot safer buy in the long run.
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April 6, 2012 11:04:53 AM

With the extra GB of RAM in the 7850 you may be able to have a few settings on ultra with a good framerate, especially if you overclock it.
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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 11:25:38 AM

refillable said:
http://media.bestofmicro.com/P/M/328810/original/BF3%201920.png

Should be something wrong with Anandtech, the 7850 in tom's hardware is much faster than GTX 560 ti, not talking about GTX 560. And this is not the proper performance I think, this were recorded before the proper 12.3 driver. This card actually suppose to be better than 6950 in bf3.


There is nothing wrong with Anandtech.
oddlyinsane said: A quick comparison from Anandtech GPU12 Bench reveals that the 7850 only has a mere 1.9 fps (lol) over the 560 non-Ti in Battlefield 3@ 1080p Ultra settings.
You posted High settings, not Ultra. As Tom's Hardware also said at Battlefield 3 GPU comparison, AMD gpus had a rough time at Ultra settings casue of 4xMSAA.
Chris Angelini wrote: "AMD managed to beat more expensive GeForce cards at High quality, but now falls behind at Ultra quality. Remember that the Radeon boards take a lot of abuse with MSAA enabled, and the Ultra preset applies this feature automatically. As a result, I’d go so far as to say Ultra quality at enthusiast-oriented resolutions is out of the question for almost all single-GPU setups."
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a c 175 U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 11:32:05 AM

OK you got me... I wasn't fully paying attention. Thanks for that :) !

But I think the new 12.4 driver will fix it.
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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 11:45:43 AM

oddlyinsane said:
Hey thanks guys :) 
The rest of the build do you ask? Well,

ASUS P8Z68-V-LX or Asus P8Z77-M (the latter being compatible, right?)
Corsair 8gb 1333mhz
Seagate Barracuda 500gb 7200.12
NZXT Source 210 Elite
LG 21.5" IP-S monitor
LG DVD Burner 24x
Windows 7

A quick comparison from Anandtech GPU12 Bench reveals that the 7850 only has a mere 1.9 fps (lol) over the 560 non-Ti in Battlefield 3@ 1080p Ultra settings. I say this because this will be my primary game that i will play. Sure, 7850 is much better in other games and is more future-proof, however the total price of 7850 ($270) + BF3 ($65)=$335 opposed to the 560 with BF3 @$199. Keep in mind the $135 extra gives only a 2 fps boost.

I could get a Gainward 560 Ti 1gb Phantom for $230, however it does not come with any such bundle as the Gigabyte 560. It does give however a better fps in Battlefield 3 compared to 7850, around 4fps. Would this be better value, or is it better to just spend that extra $40 to get the 7850?

I am kind of confused...i need you guys to help me out. By the way, my budget is $1200 for the system (computer, monitor and OS). this does not include BF3 however if someone can suggest better alternatives then that would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, :) 


The rest of the system looks superb but what about the P8Z77-V-LX. I saw the prices and it has roughly $10 more than the Z68 version...
And since you are going to play battlefield 3, the $199 560 + BF3 option is undeniably the best one. In high settings 7850 would have a 20% lead, something like 7 fps lead or 15% (55fps vs 48fps) which doesnt worth the 67,5% more price ($335 vs $199).

refillable said:
OK you got me... I wasn't fully paying attention. Thanks for that :) !

But I think the new 12.4 driver will fix it.


I sometimes dont pay attention either, noworries :D 
I can't have any faith on something that it will might be fixed from amd drivers... :p 
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a c 175 U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 12:17:42 PM

Memnarchon said:

And since you are going to play battlefield 3, the $199 560 + BF3 option is undeniably the best one. In high settings 7850 would have a 20% lead, something like 7 fps lead or 15% (55fps vs 48fps) which doesnt worth the 67,5% more price ($335 vs $199).

I'm pretty much sure that other games shouldn't be like this and The OP wants to play games other than BF3. And those other games should show big performance of 7850 vs GTX 560 SOC maybe about 20%-30%.
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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 12:26:16 PM

refillable said:
I'm pretty much sure that other games shouldn't be like this and The OP wants to play games other than BF3. And those other games should show big performance of 7850 vs GTX 560 SOC maybe about 20%-30%.

Nope. I never even mention that the GTX560 he wants to buy is factory overclocked. Even without this, Tom's Hardware tests show a 15% lead (101,10 vs 87,90) over the GTX560 1GB with high settings @1920x1080 on average of games: Tom's Hardware Index Performance
Even with a performance lead of 7850 that you are refering of 30%, the point that it is 67,5% more expensive, doesn't justify the performance jump in any case or scenario...

edit: @oddlyinsane
Since Gigabyte GTX560 SOC is clocked at 900Mhz it has the same performance of stock 560ti. In other words the difference between stock Saphire 7850 and GTX560 SOC, should be like average 10% (101,10 vs 90,50).
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April 6, 2012 1:37:22 PM

The HD 7850's performance will improve over time with driver updates but that is something to consider. AMD has a history of not so good drivers support.
Since the difference is $135 because of the GTX 560/ BF3 bundle then I think the GTX 560 is the obvious win here.
Also, to oddlyinsane, I have used a Gigabyte card in the past and it was a good card.
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a b U Graphics card
April 6, 2012 2:47:24 PM

Alright, let's be fair to the cards here. Everyone knows that the higher up in performance you go, the less you get for your money. "Diminishing returns" is the name of the game.

The 7850 is above the 560, even when the 560 is super overclocked. The 7850 is also overpriced right now. That said, the performance shown in the Tom's hardware benchy is subject to change. All things indicate that the 7850 should perform at the level of a 6950 plus ~5%. Drivers may or may not improve this.

OP, if you can swing the 7850, I think you should get it. It's a newer card based on newer tech which means not only will it perform better but it will resell better.

Here's another option: One GTX 560 right now, another later for SLI. This will give you substantial performance for a low cost and get you the BF3 you desire. Just throwing it out there.

Build looks good.

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You posted High settings, not Ultra. As Tom's Hardware also said at Battlefield 3 GPU comparison, AMD gpus had a rough time at Ultra settings casue of 4xMSAA.
To be fair to AMD, there's no reason anyone should have MSAA enabled in BF3 anyway. FXAA has an identical effect with 1/10th the performance hit.
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April 7, 2012 5:07:42 AM

striker410 said:

Here's another option: One GTX 560 right now, another later for SLI. This will give you substantial performance for a low cost and get you the BF3 you desire. Just throwing it out there.


SLI can happen, but only if he gets an SLI board with either x8-x8 or x16-x4 configuration. Since he listed an ASUS V LX, SLI doesnt happen at reasonable speeds on that.

If the OP hasn't had the board yet, he can get the GTX 560 along with a gigabyte UD3/ ASUS V PRO. Those are good boards for SLI/Xfires.
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a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 5:18:31 AM

This is true. I was going off his wish to get an Asus P8Z77 board, which it appears IS sli compatible.
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April 7, 2012 9:22:43 AM

Memnarchon said:
Nope. I never even mention that the GTX560 he wants to buy is factory overclocked. Even without this, Tom's Hardware tests show a 15% lead (101,10 vs 87,90) over the GTX560 1GB with high settings @1920x1080 on average of games: Tom's Hardware Index Performance
Even with a performance lead of 7850 that you are refering of 30%, the point that it is 67,5% more expensive, doesn't justify the performance jump in any case or scenario...

I see that. But there is other factors that makes the 7850 a better option, not just by performance and price, efficiency for example. Another example is, you can OC the 7850 much more, like 1050Mhz and GTX 560 SOC is only can be OC'd very little. And the BF3 coupon in my opinion can't be referred as a 'money'. It's just a coupon, so, it's not 67.5% either. But I'd agree with you if this GTX 560 SOC has a very good value.
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a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 10:41:40 AM

To everyone: I know the 7850 is much more expensive, but because of the lower power consumption you gain quite some money back. ;) 
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a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 1:09:49 PM

refillable said:
I see that. But there is other factors that makes the 7850 a better option, not just by performance and price, efficiency for example. Another example is, you can OC the 7850 much more, like 1050Mhz and GTX 560 SOC is only can be OC'd very little. And the BF3 coupon in my opinion can't be referred as a 'money'. It's just a coupon, so, it's not 67.5% either. But I'd agree with you if this GTX 560 SOC has a very good value.

I wouldn't refer the battlefield 3 if it wasn't on op's "to buy" list. It's a fact. He is going to have it. GTX560 give this to him for free. HD7850 is not. Its simple. Since he is going to buy anyway, I cant recommend for any reason $135 more for 10% (or lets say 30% "if" he overclocks) performance jump.
If he had $300+ to spend, I would recommend it too. But since he is asking which has better value for the money, I cant recommand it.
And in anyway I don't think there is someone here that don't believe that HD7xxx series are not overpriced. Older cards atm like GTX560 and HD6870 give better value for money till they eradicate from the stores.

edit: I would love to see 7850 for $200 ref and $210 the ones with custom cooling. This would take the performance for value crown from HD6870.
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a b U Graphics card
April 7, 2012 2:40:31 PM

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=543

OP, you're looking at a 10-15FPS margin, except for a few games (BF3) which I expect drivers will fix. Is the extra $80 worth it to you? (I say this because there's numerous copies of BF3 floating around for $30 used, shouldn't be hard to snag one)
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April 7, 2012 2:45:53 PM

to be honest I don't know why you're not considering other cards that are along the price ranges of these two cards. I would understand if those were your only two options due to a situation that you might be in but if that's not the case, then if you want to go for best bang for the buck with a very good valued card then I'd go for the 560 Ti 448 cores Classified Ultra by EVGA. Easily overclocked as I've heard though I can't speak for myself at the moment, but I do plan on getting this card when I start my build.
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May 18, 2012 6:26:55 PM

fil1p said:
If your budget allows it, go for the HD7850, it is much better then the gtx560, and as someone mentioned before, if it where a 560ti, this would be different, but the HD7850 is better then the 570, which is much above the 560. No matter how high you will be able to get the clocks on the 560 it will be no match for the hd7850. Go for the hd7870, and enjoy. If you overclock the 7850 you will be able to get to the performance of a gtx580, which not until a few months ago was the best single GPU card out there.

Hope this helps


Hey ! i play bf3 i have problems with my fps to, it drops all the time to 34-67 even some time it get yellow or red to 22-29. thats when it gets impossible to play even on low settings i get 55 fps highest I got a:

AMD FX (tx)-4100-Quad-core prosesser GHz 3.60

8,00 GB
(RAM)

64bit operativsystem

plzz does any 1 know the answer? i had amd radeon 7850 switch to N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II i think it would help ? but it dint really. Iwas thinking what if there a problem whit my RAM could that be a fps problem in shooter games lol i dont know any think about pc u sound smart so if u want to help plzz write me back JeppeMW@gmail.com
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a b U Graphics card
May 19, 2012 2:40:18 AM

^ your CPU is the problem. It's weak.
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