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June 5, 2012 1:10:17 AM

I will not be getting an entirely new system until I am older and get alot more money, so getting a new mobo, and stuff is out of the question. I was wondering what could I do to enhance my current bulid. And moderators, please forgive if this post is in the wrong forum section.

My current (modified, this is not the prebuilt setup) setup.

Motherboard: ASUS: M2N61-AR
Windows Vista Home Premium 32-Bit
NIVIDA GeForce 9500 GT 1GB
AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600+ 2.9 GHZ
RAM: 1918 MB


What could I upgrade to CPU or Graphics Card or RAM wise?

*NOTE*: My RAM support is Dual channel memory architecture (1 DIMM per channel), Two 240-pin DDR2 DIMM sockets
Supported DIMM types:
PC2-4200 (533 MHz)
PC2-5300 (667 MHz)
PC2-6400 (800 MHz)
Single or double-sided DIMMs
Non-ECC memory only, unbuffered
Supports 2GB DDR2 DIMMs
Supports up to 4 GB* (2 x 2 GB)
* 32 bit PCs cannot address a full 4.0 GB of memory.

And my CPU support is
Motherboard supports the following processor upgrades:

Athlon 64 X2 with Dual Core technology up to 65 Watt
Athlon 64 up to 65 Watt
Sempron up to 65 Watt

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June 5, 2012 1:40:25 AM

The single most important part when it comes to gaming is the video card and I know you said you didn't have the money to do a whole new build but you didn't say how much you were willing to spend to do this upgrade. So I'm going to list a video card that will help you play games better but if it's too much let me know what your budget is.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $119.99 after rebate

I would also look into adding another 2gb of ram that is the same make and model of what you have and if you can't find it then ram is cheap enough now that you can get a 4gb kit for around $50.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $49.99

So if your budget is $150 and $200 then you can do the video card and the ram.

By the way what's the power supply?
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 1:50:45 AM

#1 saving up to $100 is no biggie for me.

#2 My case only takes low-profile cards, my 9500gt makes my case hang out a bit, had it that way for yrs.

#3 my ram supports says this "32 bit PCs cannot address a full 4.0 GB of memory". Therefore, I am stuck with either 3 GB or the amount I have now.

#4 Power output wattage: 160 Watt
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June 5, 2012 2:07:20 AM

Firstly, what games are you wanting to play? Secondly, what is your resolution?

If the games you play are low demanding, then a 6850 or 6770 is enough for around $150-100 respectively. If its BF3 you're wanting to play at full tilt, you're better off starting from scratch. And in your case, that means it is not yet possible.

Without giving these essential info, i unfortunately cannot help (though i am very willing to).

Regards :) 
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June 5, 2012 2:38:21 AM

upgrade the video card, the money won't be wasted. I wouldn't spend on anything else.
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June 5, 2012 2:41:06 AM

oddlyinsane said:
Firstly, what games are you wanting to play? Secondly, what is your resolution?

If the games you play are low demanding, then a 6850 or 6770 is enough for around $150-100 respectively. If its BF3 you're wanting to play at full tilt, you're better off starting from scratch. And in your case, that means it is not yet possible.

Without giving these essential info, i unfortunately cannot help (though i am very willing to).

Regards :) 


Like old games I have back to IDK, 2001 play just fine, but like I'd like to at least play GTA 4, LA Noire, and Max Payne 3 (I'm really pushing it with that one) at 30 fps at least. And my resoultion I'm at now is 1440x900 60HZ
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 2:44:06 AM

suddenstop said:
upgrade the video card, the money won't be wasted. I wouldn't spend on anything else.


to what?!?! lol
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June 5, 2012 3:33:11 AM

then your at a cross road as you have the following problems. (in order of how hard it makes things)

Low Profile Case
160w PSU
RAM
CPU
32bit Windows.

i would suggest you ditch the low profile case, get a decent video card and power supply. ($200 or so all up) i think this will give you some decent game playing abilities.

after that if you want to get further performance its due for a motherboard, CPU, RAM & OS change. but as long as you get a decent CASE & PSU it will all fit and run in the case you would already have.
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 3:38:06 AM

HugoStiglitz said:
then your at a cross road as you have the following problems. (in order of how hard it makes things)

Low Profile Case
160w PSU
RAM
CPU
32bit Windows.

i would suggest you ditch the low profile case, get a decent video card and power supply. ($200 or so all up) i think this will give you some decent game playing abilities.

after that if you want to get further performance its due for a motherboard, CPU, RAM & OS change. but as long as you get a decent CASE & PSU it will all fit and run in the case you would already have.


how would I even transfer all my components to a new case?!?
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June 5, 2012 3:41:10 AM

I'm not quite sure what you were looking to see price wise, but here is the max that I would take your upgrade...

First, a good reliable PSU with a good efficiency rating. Here's my suggestion...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec is one of the best makers of PSU's out there and this one has an 80+ Bronze certification on it as well meaning it's more energy efficient and therefore runs cooler.

Second, a good graphics card to try and breathe some life into your system. I would suggest a 7750 or a 7770 because of there very small power needs but still pack a decent punch.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Really, any brand's will do, this is just a suggestion.

Lastly, as was said before, another stick of RAM. I've forgotten off hand how much a 32 bit system can use (3 or 4Gb?) and have very limited knowledge on DDR2 RAM so I'll let someone else sort you out with that.

All in all the upgrade should cost you ~$200. I couldn't justify spending any more than that on an aging system such as yours.
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 3:45:57 AM

Grand_Admiral_K said:
I'm not quite sure what you were looking to see price wise, but here is the max that I would take your upgrade...

First, a good reliable PSU with a good efficiency rating. Here's my suggestion...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec is one of the best makers of PSU's out there and this one has an 80+ Bronze certification on it as well meaning it's more energy efficient and therefore runs cooler.

Second, a good graphics card to try and breathe some life into your system. I would suggest a 7750 or a 7770 because of there very small power needs but still pack a decent punch.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Really, any brand's will do, this is just a suggestion.

Lastly, as was said before, another stick of RAM. I've forgotten off hand how much a 32 bit system can use (3 or 4Gb?) and have very limited knowledge on DDR2 RAM so I'll let someone else sort you out with that.

All in all the upgrade should cost you ~$200. I couldn't justify spending any more than that on an aging system such as yours.


uhh... again Mr. Admiral K, (1). I have a SLIM case so no way that big old PSU is going in my case lol, (2.) 32 bit (as I said above) 32 bit OS does NOT support 4 GB in total. I could honestly spend about $300 in hardware, I have a job. I just need some options.
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June 5, 2012 3:48:50 AM

DarylWise its just like lego.

if you can put together a lego race car then you will have no problems.
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June 5, 2012 3:54:09 AM

To be honest I would just save up the money and do a new build.
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 3:54:41 AM

HugoStiglitz said:
DarylWise its just like lego.

if you can put together a lego race car then you will have no problems.


I really am not trying to beat around the bush with it I know this is the only easy/logical way. My ONLY problem is one thing I'm pretty sure will not be a possibility. Hard, Drive, Contents, Transferred. I have YEARS of space and storage on my hard drive. Getting an all new setup will possibly mean I'll have to start over on my HD. I DO NOT want to do that.
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June 5, 2012 4:05:15 AM

something like a Corsair 600w PSU ($60)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028
this PSU will last you a decent amount of time, as well as if you end up wanting to do a full upgrade it will do the job very well and not restrict the hardware you can choose.

Midi ATX Case of your choice (~$50)
i have built a few systems in the Thermaltake V4 and i quite like it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133179

that leaves you $200 ish

id go ATI 7770 (~$145)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150599

and lastly 4gb of Dual Channel RAM ($50)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231207
yes your PC will only see between 3.5 and 4gb of that as you have 32bit windows but its still a worth while upgrade from 2gb.
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June 5, 2012 4:05:52 AM

Buy a external 1 to store all that.
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June 5, 2012 4:07:48 AM

DarylWise

you keep ur current hard drive. as you are not replacing your motherbard you dont need to reinstall windows. the computer will not even know that you have changed the case & PSU or RAM. and just installing the video card driver will sort it out. no reload needed.
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June 5, 2012 4:16:02 AM

Is anyone even paying attention to what the OP is asking? He wants a LOW PROFILE vid card, hes said it at least 4 times. This is the best low profile card you are gonna get

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$75 with MIR. GDDR5, itll play those games decently on 1400x900 or whatever that resolution is.
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 4:19:45 AM

vrumor said:
Is anyone even paying attention to what the OP is asking? He wants a LOW PROFILE vid card, hes said it at least 4 times. This is the best low profile card you are gonna get

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$75 with MIR. GDDR5, itll play those games decently on 1400x900 or whatever that resolution is.


THANK YOU!! You deserve that Veteran status my friend. Just one question, that card looks awfully long, you think it will fir in here(my motherboard, note it is a slim case)=http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf-JAVA/Doc/images/c013215...
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June 5, 2012 4:22:50 AM

Long? It says in the details what the dimensions are. Its 7.5" long. So measure it if you must. You may have to upgrade your PSU with that. Not sure total power draw on that card under load. Details on the product say 400w but that isnt accurate or anywhere near accurate in real life terms.
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 4:23:27 AM

vrumor said:
Is anyone even paying attention to what the OP is asking? He wants a LOW PROFILE vid card, hes said it at least 4 times. This is the best low profile card you are gonna get

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$75 with MIR. GDDR5, itll play those games decently on 1400x900 or whatever that resolution is.


Op, never mind, minimum PSU is 400 W, mine is 160 Watt. You tryin to blow my PC up?!?! LOL
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June 5, 2012 4:35:13 AM

thanks vrumor.

OP needs a solution. that solution can come in many ways. like i said there are a few limiting factors that are currently making it hard to find a single product that will meet his requirements.

unfortunatly game playing. low profile graphics card that will run on a 160w PSU just isn't out there.

atm all i can see as a solution is a new CASE & PSU and then have your pick of video cards (within your budget)
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June 5, 2012 4:47:19 AM

Athena Power AP-TFX40 400W TFX12V SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$73.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS H667FN1G Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card
$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Team Elite 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model TEDD4096M800HC5DC
$49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The problem that you have is that they don't make any of the newer video cards in the low profile state. The 6670 is the highest model that is available but it's a lot better than you have now. It also requires a 400w psu to be in your Pc and so you would have to swap out the psu that you have now for the one listed in this post. The 6670 video card is a low profile card and will work in your Pc. The ram is a 4gb set and I listed it because you want to install ram in sets and not mix and match , the OS will be able to use 3.5gb of it so it's not that bad to have .5gb not being used.
I think that this is about the best your going to get wiothout going with a whole new build.
I noticed that you were concerned about the hard drive thart you have now and all of the files that you have accumulated , when you build a new computer there is a nice feature in Windows 7 that allows you to transfer everything from your old hard drive to the new hard drive with a transfer cable which is basicly a usb cable that is connected between the two computers.
If you only wanted to transfer all of your components that you have now to a new case so that you can have the choice of regular parts instead of low profile then you can easily do that and use the hard drive that you have now instead of a new one.
You can take the motherboard with the cpu and the hard drive and dvd drive and put them into a new case and then you could get a regular video card and power supply. The ram will fit in either situation.

COOLER MASTER Elite 430 RC-430-KWN1 Black Steel / Plastic Computer Case
$49.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Team Elite 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Desktop Memory Model TEDD4096M800HC5DC
$49.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX FX-775A-ZNP4 Radeon HD 7750 Core Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
$109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$69.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This would cost you $265.00 after rebates and you will be able to use your current hard drive. Naturally this is just a suggestion and you can swap out components for different ones if you wanted to or if someone suggested a better component that would work better.
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Best solution

June 5, 2012 4:47:32 AM

Let me try to explain this well...

You do NOT have to get a low profile card. It severely limits your options when looking for a graphics card... Your best bet is to move your components to a different case. This does not in any way mean you have to reformat or in any way mess with the data on your computer. You're simply taking the components out and moving them to a different case. This will give you more room to install components as well as increasing the air flow around your hardware, which means they will be cooler. This case is a great value for what you spend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Then, you can get yourself a higher performing graphics card like a 7770 without having to worry about how much room it takes up. Coupled with that new Antec PSU and 4Gb set of RAM (it will only recognize 3.5Gb, but that's still a significant improvement!) you should enjoy a very significant improvement to your computer's performance.
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June 5, 2012 5:23:10 AM

Well again OP< 400w isnt a real measurement of what youll need to power your system. I power my mini HTPC builds that I put in old NES cases with an 85w power supply, it powers an E-350 chipset and motherboard, 430 GT 1gb DDR3, a blue ray drive and an SSD, including various USB devices, and it runs flawlessly. You are however running a much more power dependant CPU and components, just saying this so you know that real world power consumption and whats recommended by the manufacturer isnt really remotely close. Its more of a cushion for them. And Grand_admiral is right, move them to a mid tower and buy a 7770 or 7750. Will need a new PSU for sure, but its worth the upgrade.
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 5:34:06 AM

Best answer selected by DarylWise.
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 5:35:42 AM

Grand_Admiral_K said:
Let me try to explain this well...

You do NOT have to get a low profile card. It severely limits your options when looking for a graphics card... Your best bet is to move your components to a different case. This does not in any way mean you have to reformat or in any way mess with the data on your computer. You're simply taking the components out and moving them to a different case. This will give you more room to install components as well as increasing the air flow around your hardware, which means they will be cooler. This case is a great value for what you spend http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Then, you can get yourself a higher performing graphics card like a 7770 without having to worry about how much room it takes up. Coupled with that new Antec PSU and 4Gb set of RAM (it will only recognize 3.5Gb, but that's still a significant improvement!) you should enjoy a very significant improvement to your computer's performance.


Ok then, I will save up for the purchase of that. PLEASE, give me ALL the links to where I should buy this new setup (cases, installation instructions, new CPU, RAM and Graphics Card links, etc)
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June 5, 2012 11:25:02 PM

The ones posted before should be fine, I'll put them all in this response though for your convenience...

Rosewill Challenger case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Saphire 7770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I actually switched this one out to G.Skill instead of Team Elite because I can swear by the quality of G.Skill products, they even come with a lifetime warranty.
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Anonymous
June 6, 2012 12:09:05 AM

Grand_Admiral_K said:
The ones posted before should be fine, I'll put them all in this response though for your convenience...

Rosewill Challenger case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Saphire 7770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I actually switched this one out to G.Skill instead of Team Elite because I can swear by the quality of G.Skill products, they even come with a lifetime warranty.


To be honest, I now just want to save up and get a good prebuilt, you or anyone else still haven't told me how to install everything if I did it how youre saying, might as well give a kid car keys and say have fun. So I hope you can anwser this last question for me. Where I can find a good prebulit Gaming PC with a HD transfer cable so I still have all my stuff?
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June 6, 2012 12:50:02 AM

as we have said. you do not need to reinstall windows. everything will be the same just faster.

case just changes the size of the items you can put inside it (No drivers / software required)

the PSU just allows you to run higher draw devices (no drivers or software required)

The ram give the computer the ability to load more information off the HDD for faster use (no software or drivers required)

all of the above are exactly like building lego. None of them will have an effect on your operating system or information on your computer. and other than the listed above effects you will not see ANY difference.

Video card.
this one is fitted just like lego but comes with a CD to install its drivers (click next 5 times and restart the computer) it will NOT change any of your programs or data just allow you to run games better / faster

thats it.
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June 6, 2012 3:06:59 AM

Anonymous said:
To be honest, I now just want to save up and get a good prebuilt, you or anyone else still haven't told me how to install everything if I did it how youre saying, might as well give a kid car keys and say have fun. So I hope you can anwser this last question for me. Where I can find a good prebulit Gaming PC with a HD transfer cable so I still have all my stuff?


Yah, us and you are having some serious miscommunications.

There will be in NO way any changes made to the files on your computer. You are only moving HARDWARE your SOFTWARE will be completely unaffected by this. All you are doing is disconnecting the cables in your computer, taking out the individual pieces, and rewiring them. When done, the only change that needs to be done to your computer is to install the latest drivers for your graphics card. Nothing will happen to your files, or anything else on your computer. There is absolutely nothing to worry about in this regard.

Once again, all that is happening is that
1) The housing your parts are stored in will be changed
2) The power supply will be changed
3) Replacing of RAM sticks
4) Installing a new graphics card

NONE of these change any files on your computer. All the information is stored on the computer hard drive, which will in no way be affected by the previously mentioned actions. The only things that happen that involve your hard drive is when you physically move your hard drive to your new case and then when all this is done when you install your drivers for your new video card which is a very painless process.
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Anonymous
June 6, 2012 3:15:37 AM

Grand_Admiral_K said:
Yah, us and you are having some serious miscommunications.

There will be in NO way any changes made to the files on your computer. You are only moving HARDWARE your SOFTWARE will be completely unaffected by this. All you are doing is disconnecting the cables in your computer, taking out the individual pieces, and rewiring them. When done, the only change that needs to be done to your computer is to install the latest drivers for your graphics card. Nothing will happen to your files, or anything else on your computer. There is absolutely nothing to worry about in this regard.

Once again, all that is happening is that
1) The housing your parts are stored in will be changed
2) The power supply will be changed
3) Replacing of RAM sticks
4) Installing a new graphics card

NONE of these change any files on your computer. All the information is stored on the computer hard drive, which will in no way be affected by the previously mentioned actions. The only things that happen that involve your hard drive is when you physically move your hard drive to your new case and then when all this is done when you install your drivers for your new video card which is a very painless process.


No man I realize all that, I was just wanting to go to HP.com and like pick out a new PC and stuff, and I was just asking for a HD transfer cable recommendation. I get what your saying, problem is, IDK HOW TO MOVE ALL THAT STUFF!!! Let alone, putting the case inside my $650 Computer stand/desk. My current slim case JUST fits in the tower area. But yeah, getting a new pre-built setup seems like the most easy for now.
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June 6, 2012 4:04:31 AM

Well, first and most importantly I need to make this clear, prebuilt is almost never the way to go for either quality or value. Your best bet is just to build one. You seem very intimidated by the inner workings of your computer. Don't be. It really is a lot simpler than most people think it is. Your first try might require a little troubleshooting, but that's with anything you're unfamilliar with. By taking the time to learn and do you will save yourself a lot of frustration and money in the future as well as gain a very useful skill set.

I simply cannot stress to you how much better off you would be making a new build versus going with a prebuilt.
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June 6, 2012 4:13:05 AM

Grand_Admiral_K said:
Well, first and most importantly I need to make this clear, prebuilt is almost never the way to go for either quality or value. Your best bet is just to build one. You seem very intimidated by the inner workings of your computer. Don't be. It really is a lot simpler than most people think it is. Your first try might require a little troubleshooting, but that's with anything you're unfamilliar with. By taking the time to learn and do you will save yourself a lot of frustration and money in the future as well as gain a very useful skill set.

I simply cannot stress to you how much better off you would be making a new build versus going with a prebuilt.


Well then I do need my hand holded so to speak on it, my mom not only stresses me about makes changes (lately me new CPU) and I have stress when it comes to making changes such as these. My issues I'm think of is, how will my motherboard and components fit in this new case, how will I remove and install it all in properly, and how will I get the money for all this (lol). No I'm joking on the last part lol. But as I said b4, youre giving me the "keys" to the "car", and saying have fun. Which what I'd like for you to do is give me the "keys" to the "car", and say "here is the gas, break, etc, etc." If you catch my drift.
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June 6, 2012 4:13:22 AM

you do realise that if you go to a new tower there is no way to transfer the programs that are on your current PC. no cable no 3rd party piece of software will be able to transfer that across. you will need to reinstall these programs. A data cable can move move date (documents and photos & the like) but not programs.

Note that a new slimline prebuilt PC will not be able to play games any better than your current solution. as they simply dont make video cards good enough to play games well while keeping them low profile and sub 200W psu requirements. you will be in the same boat as you are now but many hundreds more $$$ out of pocket. as well as having to get all your programs and data across (which you dont have to do ATM)

If you are not confident with your hardware skills have you considered purchasing the reccomended eq and paying a local PC store $50 - $100 to put it together for you?
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Anonymous
June 6, 2012 4:29:44 AM

HugoStiglitz said:
you do realise that if you go to a new tower there is no way to transfer the programs that are on your current PC. no cable no 3rd party piece of software will be able to transfer that across. you will need to reinstall these programs. A data cable can move move date (documents and photos & the like) but not programs.

Note that a new slimline prebuilt PC will not be able to play games any better than your current solution. as they simply dont make video cards good enough to play games well while keeping them low profile and sub 200W psu requirements. you will be in the same boat as you are now but many hundreds more $$$ out of pocket. as well as having to get all your programs and data across (which you dont have to do ATM)

If you are not confident with your hardware skills have you considered purchasing the reccomended eq and paying a local PC store $50 - $100 to put it together for you?


Would going to best buy to get a gaming PC be good? And how would I transfer my HD contents to the new rig?
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June 6, 2012 5:39:36 AM

no as your still in the same boat.

there is absolutly NO way to transfer your already installed programs.

all of these prebuilt brand computers are quite limited as they often use this slim cases and PSU's that provide the minimum required power and there for will not allow for a video card upgrade without a power supply upgrade as well
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June 6, 2012 5:42:43 AM

anyway were going around in circles. all the info is in here but you keep asking the same questions.
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June 6, 2012 8:05:22 AM

This has been goin on for 3 days with this issue. What is the big deal to just reinstall everything?
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June 7, 2012 12:11:02 AM

Quote:
all the info is in here


He is right about that. We have answered your questions for you, but we keep coming back full circle. But before i leave this thread for good, I have a few things I want to say, first and foremost being...

I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT RECOMMEND BUYING A PREBUILT SYSTEM!!!!!

You simply will NOT get a good deal with a prebuilt computer, ESPECIALLY a prebuilt gaming computer. The parts used are second rate at best and overpriced to boot. The cases and power supplies are the absolute worst you can subject yourself to. Maybe you can find someone else who will help you with that if you are dead set on it, but I flatly refuse to help you get a sub-par computer for an inflated price.

If for whatever reason you decide you MUST have a prebuilt system, these are the only places I feel even remotely comfortable referring you to...
http://www.ibuypower.com/
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
(I'm 95% sure that they're technically the same company)
But if you do go that route, you will still be paying ~$200 more than building it yourself.

I cannot even begin to explain to you how much better off you would be building your own or upgrading your current computer. The savings involved are remarkable, not to mention the possibility of making a few bucks on the side fixing or upgrading friend's and acquaintance's computers. The most valuable thing you would gain though is the first hand knowledge that can be the beginnings of a new skill set for you. Computer's are THE defining device of the modern age in which we live, and are becoming more important with every passing year. Having a superior understanding of them can make you extremely attractive in terms of just general usefulness as well as from an employer's perspective. The secret is that it's really not that hard, at all, to get there, you just have to be willing to put forth some effort and have the drive to be willing to put some time into understanding a PC's components and both how they function and interact.

Don't rip yourself off, don't rob yourself of practical experience, and don't sell your intelligence short. Show a little back bone and a little initiative, and build it yourself. You won't regret it.



P.S. You won't be alone, there are entire online communities devoted to helping people build their computers (including here on Tom's!).
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June 7, 2012 2:25:29 AM

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He is right about that. We have answered your questions for you, but we keep coming back full circle. But before i leave this thread for good, I have a few things I want to say, first and foremost being...

I ABSOLUTELY CANNOT RECOMMEND BUYING A PREBUILT SYSTEM!!!!!

You simply will NOT get a good deal with a prebuilt computer, ESPECIALLY a prebuilt gaming computer. The parts used are second rate at best and overpriced to boot. The cases and power supplies are the absolute worst you can subject yourself to. Maybe you can find someone else who will help you with that if you are dead set on it, but I flatly refuse to help you get a sub-par computer for an inflated price.

If for whatever reason you decide you MUST have a prebuilt system, these are the only places I feel even remotely comfortable referring you to...
http://www.ibuypower.com/
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/
(I'm 95% sure that they're technically the same company)
But if you do go that route, you will still be paying ~$200 more than building it yourself.

I cannot even begin to explain to you how much better off you would be building your own or upgrading your current computer. The savings involved are remarkable, not to mention the possibility of making a few bucks on the side fixing or upgrading friend's and acquaintance's computers. The most valuable thing you would gain though is the first hand knowledge that can be the beginnings of a new skill set for you. Computer's are THE defining device of the modern age in which we live, and are becoming more important with every passing year. Having a superior understanding of them can make you extremely attractive in terms of just general usefulness as well as from an employer's perspective. The secret is that it's really not that hard, at all, to get there, you just have to be willing to put forth some effort and have the drive to be willing to put some time into understanding a PC's components and both how they function and interact.

Don't rip yourself off, don't rob yourself of practical experience, and don't sell your intelligence short. Show a little back bone and a little initiative, and build it yourself. You won't regret it.



P.S. You won't be alone, there are entire online communities devoted to helping people build their computers (including here on Tom's!).


Quote me if I am wrong, I never said I was ABSOLUTELY going to buy a pre-bulit, i was thinking about it, but never was I going to do it for real. And I confused here, one guy said if I transfer my components to a new case, I will not save my HD contents, and youre saying everything will be fine. Oh well, I go online and see if I can go to a store near me that lets you build you PC yourself.
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June 7, 2012 2:34:14 AM

i dont think anyone has said transferring you components into a new case will change ur data. and to be clear IT DEFINATLY WILL NOT DISTROY YOUR DATA. EVERYTHING WILL BE AS YOU LEFT IT.

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June 7, 2012 2:40:33 AM

HugoStiglitz said:
i dont think anyone has said transferring you components into a new case will change ur data. and to be clear IT DEFINATLY WILL NOT DISTROY YOUR DATA. EVERYTHING WILL BE AS YOU LEFT IT.


It was you, "there is absolutly NO way to transfer your already installed programs." But hey, no need to futher this thread, I've made my choice. Thank you ALL for you kindness and consideration with my problems!
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June 7, 2012 3:19:28 AM

that is only if your getting a complete new computer. (sorry if that was missleading)

but everything will be as you left it when you are changing the casing, PSU, RAM & Graphics card.

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